I can't be the only one who wonders about Broyld at QB

[GoSU96]

i'm not trying to start a big thing here. I'm fine with seeing how hunt progresses because I think he deserves some credit for the improvement in the run game. this is just what if, at this point you can't drop him in there

but Hunt is 18-44 for 126 yards 0 TDs and 5 INT in the ACC. His conference passer rating so far is 42

Drew Allen is 46-82 for 485 yards 1 TD and 7 INT against BCS competition for a passer rating of 93.

A qb rating of 93 stinks, don't get me wrong. There's a good argument for saying, "42 or 93, what's the difference, we're going to lose either way, let's play the guy who can run."

But a qb rating of 42 over two games, with two games in a row at 61 or lower rating... That is unbelievably terrible. The last time that's happened was 2008 vs Rutgers and UConn (29 QB rating in those 2 games). Didn't happen in 2007. Not sure about prior years.

A lot of this is on the WR. I'm having Fontenette flashbacks. But a 42?!?

Broyld wouldn't get to throw to Broyld so that would hurt him. You have to wonder a little whether he'd be better though. Bar is set pretty low.

It's a very limited group of people.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Some of us knew that in August.

I know. I've been banging the "No really, AJ Long might start" drum for a while. I know others are believers in Wilson and Kimble.

 

[All4SU]

Did you see Broyld's pass on that trick play?

In all seriousness you can't use that to gauge his ability, but all of this Broyld qb talk just needs to end. What we need to do is get him the ball more.

It was a good bounce pass.

 

[All4SU]

i think the WR are to blame for quite a bit - which is why I favor hunt over allen - whatever strengths allen has are moot with this receiving corp

i think it says something that not even paulus in the depths of bubble screen hell had 2 games in a row with passing numbers that bad

92 rushing yards from hunt is why I favor hunt over Allen. Can't really speak to Broyld at QB, other than to say two staffs have looked at him, and both came to the same conclusion.

 

[Cuseregular]

It was a good bounce pass.

big difference between catching a pass on the fly, trying to get a good handle and grip on it, set yourself while sprinting full speed and then trying to get off a good pass, vs. a regular pass set. Would love to see him in drop back mode, or roll out and let the kid create.

Know it's not gonna happen but can't help but agree with Millhouse that we're underutilizing a special talent. If what I've seen here was clearly better then it would be easy to drop this but it's not. And what I've seen of AB in HS leads me to believe he'd be doing just fine in that position now that he would have had a couple years to digest it all.

As for the pass it was short but it was the a better tight spiral than we've seen from Hunt to date. No way he'd be any worse (BTW not a slam on Hunt all of this as he's doing all he can do and is a winner).

 

[Millhouse]

92 rushing yards from hunt is why I favor hunt over Allen. Can't really speak to Broyld at QB, other than to say two staffs have looked at him, and both came to the same conclusion.

me too (said that in the first post)

 

[NineOneSeven]

big difference between catching a pass on the fly, trying to get a good handle and grip on it, set yourself while sprinting full speed and then trying to get off a good pass, vs. a regular pass set. Would love to see him in drop back mode, or roll out and let the kid create.

Know it's not gonna happen but can't help but agree with Millhouse that we're underutilizing a special talent. If what I've seen here was clearly better then it would be easy to drop this but it's not. And what I've seen of AB in HS leads me to believe he'd be doing just fine in that position now that he would have had a couple years to digest it all.

As for the pass it was short but it was the a better tight spiral than we've seen from Hunt to date. No way he'd be any worse (BTW not a slam on Hunt all of this as he's doing all he can do and is a winner).

Which is why he needs the ball more. He makes the most guys miss on the team easily. He and Hunt are both incredibly shifty while they run.

 

[Millhouse]

It's a very limited group of people.

you're limited

(this was for heatercuse, don't go off, just messing around)

 

[Cuseregular]

Which is why he needs the ball more. He makes the most guys miss on the team easily. He and Hunt are both incredibly shifty while they run.

he's (AB) shiftier/quicker and faster, with a tad better arm. When he was evaulated, They've we're comparing him in practices mostly to Nassib and Allen type players overall and came away with the idea he'd be better elsewhere which one can understand based on that skill set.

But I'd imagine if it was him vs. Hunt only it would have been a closer race. The two are more similar stylistically than not.

 

[CU44SE]

i like how he runs the ball. i said that from the get go. i was clear i was talking about passing. passer ratings rate passing. i thought everyone knew that.

it was not hard to predict that knuckleheads will come out of the woodwork to flip out at someone daring to wonder if broyld might have been better had he kept playing QB

but if you reread the first three sentences of the thread you'll see that i'm fine with seeing how hunt progresses and give him credit for his rushing production.

You have completely ignored my comment and went back to something completely different. Again, I said it was his third career start as a redshirt sophomore, its a process. Defenses adjust to him, he now needs to adjust to the defenses. You proceeded to say these are not sophomore hiccups, and that Hunt looked worse than a Junior Andrew Robinson (Started whole sophomore year and half of his junior year) and Cam dantley (played his junior and senior years) at their worst. I provided stats that say otherwise, but you seem to have skipped this, and ignored this part of the argument.

 

[Millhouse]

You have completely ignored my comment and went back to something completely different. Again, I said it was his third career start as a redshirt sophomore, its a process. Defenses adjust to him, he now needs to adjust to the defenses. You proceeded to say these are not sophomore hiccups, and that Hunt looked worse than a Junior Andrew Robinson (Started whole sophomore year and half of his junior year) and Cam dantley (played his junior and senior years) at their worst. I provided stats that say otherwise, but you seem to have skipped this, and ignored this part of the argument.

I didn't say he looked worse than Robinson and Dantley. I said he was Robinson and Dantley at their worst in QB rating. dantley didn't play as a sophomore so i guess that means that if a sophomore is as bad as dantley, it doesn't mean anything? come on

If you think it's fair to only compare to sophomores, well, OK - this is the worst 2 game stretch for any SU sophomore since at least 2006. there aren't enough examples of sophomores playing for this to be the right way to think about it.

we should all expect hunt or anyone else to be better than the worst qbs ever, i hope

 

[Ottoble]

I think overall the Better question is, Why isn't Broyld out there at WR (or HB) on every play from scrimmage? He is the ONLY guy that is getting open and catching passes usually that is a feature you want on the field often. Fake the jet sweep a few times hit him over the middle a few times he might have the chemistry with hunt to catch a bit longer pass. Should be lined up in the slot all game long.

 

[CU44SE]

I didn't say he looked worse than Robinson and Dantley. I said he was Robinson and Dantley at their worst in QB rating. dantley didn't play as a sophomore so i guess that means that if a sophomore is as bad as dantley, it doesn't mean anything? come on

If you think it's fair to only compare to sophomores, well, OK - this is the worst 2 game stretch for any SU sophomore since at least 2006. there aren't enough examples of sophomores playing for this to be the right way to think about it.

we should all expect hunt or anyone else to be better than the worst qbs ever, i hope

You never said qb rating in that statement but i digress. And I will leave it with the fact that its his third career start. The guy was buried on the depth chart the last two years and did not receive a lot of reps. He also missed a very important spring practice his freshman year. Hunt gives us the best chance to win this year, and I dont understand people calling for Allen to come back. Allen looked 10x worse than Hunt has, stats and numbers lie. I dont care that Allens rating was a 92, that guy was not moving the ball. Look at his first 3-4 series against wagner? He didnt move the ball at all against a D-1AA team. Hunt moves the ball and gives this offense a chance to score, its our best chance of winning right now. Not to get off topic, but the receivers have definitely not helped him. There have been some drops on catchable balls which would have extended drives as well as receivers not fighting for the ball. On one of the interceptions against Clemson a WR (cant remember who exactly) stopped running his route and allowed the db to jump in front of him for an interception. If the WR continues to run his route and fights through traffic its probably a catch but at worse an incompletion (instead it was an interception in our own zone and I believe a td ensued). Then in the State game, it didnt look like West gave much effort for that interception. I believe he could have easily went into DB mode and prevented that interception, but he just threw up his arms.

 

[Phillymoose]

Hunt seems completely 'unprotected' by the play calling and the depth of the playbook. I'm guessing that if he'd started the season, he'd have been brought along more slowly - with easier early throws that would have built his confidence - with a slow expansion into a wider playbook. This is exactly what Marrone did with Nassib until he really owned it all in his Sr. year.

I think how this season has unfolded has put Hunt into an unenviable situation. Everyone thought he was the 2nd coming after beating up Wagner and Tulane - and so we went into Clemson thinking the kid could own the whole playbook. It was fools gold, but in some ways we had nothing to lose by trying, except it might have hurt Hunt's progression as a QB. They did not seem to dial in back vs. NCSt. until the 2nd half. Some of the throws he was being asked to make were optimistic at best in the 1st half.

Hopefully we've learned our lesson, and now reduce the offense to match his skill set and build everything around the run game - at least for now. Give him a game plan he can be successful with and then build from there.

 

[Millhouse]

You never said qb rating in that statement but i digress.

yes i did. you stink at this

 

[Chip]

I didn't say he looked worse than Robinson and Dantley. I said he was Robinson and Dantley at their worst in QB rating. dantley didn't play as a sophomore so i guess that means that if a sophomore is as bad as dantley, it doesn't mean anything? come on

If you think it's fair to only compare to sophomores, well, OK - this is the worst 2 game stretch for any SU sophomore since at least 2006. there aren't enough examples of sophomores playing for this to be the right way to think about it.

we should all expect hunt or anyone else to be better than the worst qbs ever, i hope

The thing is, it's kind of a wasted exercise. Because even if the staff considered it, it wouldn't happen this season, it would be an offseason move. Broyld has spent too much time learning what he's currently doing. If you put him at QB now, I think the best you can ask for is the current ratings you're getting from Hunt. Best case is that he'd be equally as bad given his lack of time practicing or playing there at this level. Then, as you said, you lose Broyld elsewhere. And while he's faster, more athletic than Hunt, the best case is still to have them both on the field.

It's hard to believe that Hunt, as a passer, is as bad as his last 2 games. It's hard to believe that Hunt, as a passer, is as good as his first 2 games. He'll ultimately land somewhere in the middle. The game will continue to slow down for him, McDonald will hopefully figure out ways to get the WRs better freed up.

Based on Saturday, I still think we can win 6 if we continue down this path. It's not perfect, but would be a good (or maybe better to say non-disastrous) kickoff to the Shafer era. A more highly recruited QB and more highly recruited WRs are on the way. That doesn't always mean much, as we know, but it's better to have it lined up at this point, then to not have it lined up.

 

[Millhouse]

Hunt seems completely 'unprotected' by the play calling and the depth of the playbook. I'm guessing that if he'd started the season, he'd have been brought along more slowly - with easier early throws that would have built his confidence - with a slow expansion into a wider playbook. This is exactly what Marrone did with Nassib until he really owned it all in his Sr. year.

I think how this season has unfolded has put Hunt into an unenviable situation. Everyone thought he was the 2nd coming after beating up Wagner and Tulane - and so we went into Clemson thinking the kid could own the whole playbook. It was fools gold, but in some ways we had nothing to lose by trying, except it might have hurt Hunt's progression as a QB. They did not seem to dial in back vs. NCSt. until the 2nd half. Some of the throws he was being asked to make were optimistic at best in the 1st half.

Hopefully we've learned our lesson, and now reduce the offense to match his skill set and build everything around the run game - at least for now. Give him a game plan he can be successful with and then build from there.

If it's true that it's a playbook issue, we need a different playbook.

nassib's development worked out just great for us and i was wrong about where he'd end up as a senior but that's hardly good reason to make that the ideal plan.

we need to start recruiting QBs and running offenses that can be more successful earlier.

i don't think it's the playbook though. i just think the guys throwing and catching aren't that good.

 

[CU44SE]

yes i did. you stink at this

Alright, want to show me where exactly you said his QB rating was at dantley and arobs worst?

what part of my post made you think that I thought it was ever going to happen


these are not the usual type of redshirt sophomore hiccups

this is dantley and arob at their worst

 

[sufandu]

Can Broyld run the triple option? Broyld at QB, AAM at FB, and duet of Smith, PTG, GMIII, or McFarlane at HB could be fun. Throw some of Tech's own medicine at them. They'll never see it coming.

 

[Millhouse]

Alright, want to show me where exactly you said his QB rating was at dantley and arobs worst?

Read the first post in the thread . You knew the context, stop being dumb, troll

I was also referring to Cameron dantley and not Adrian. I'm sorry I didn't spell that out multiple times either

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[orangenirvana]

Honestly wouldnt mind running Broyld out of the Wildcat formation. Split Hunt out wide and just run Broyld wildcat on first or second down here and there.

The Wildcat is sooo 2008...aka two-thousand-and-late. *high five*

 

[CU44SE]

Read the first post in the thread . You knew the context, stop being dumb, troll

I was also referring to Cameron Brantley and not Adrian. I'm sorry I didn't spell that out multiple times either

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Hold up, Im the troll? You want to put a QB that neither coaching staff believes can play quarterback and cant grasp the offense, but Im the troll because I said its Hunts third career start and there will be hiccups along the way and then you compared him to players that had a lot more experience? Not to mention you keep changing your argument. Thats funny stuff

 

[orangenirvana]

^Kind of like me when I daydream about being Tom Brady both on the field and off the field

I hate to be the grammar police but you misspelled banging.

 

[Millhouse]

Hold up, Im the troll? You want to put a QB that neither coaching staff believes can play quarterback and cant grasp the offense, but Im the troll because I said its Hunts third career start and there will be hiccups along the way and then you compared him to players that had a lot more experience? Not to mention you keep changing your argument. Thats funny stuff

Again, reread the first paragraph of the thread, troll. I never said I wanted Broyld to replace Hunt. I think you are a troll because you make stuff up and are generally annoying

 

[NineOneSeven]

I hate to be the grammar police but you misspelled banging.

^Kind of like me when I daydream about being Tom Brady both on the field and off the field

I also misspelled Gisele Bundchen.