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I can't be the only one who wonders about Broyld at QB

Hunt isn't the long term answer. He has Chad Pennington's arm with Perry Patterson's accuracy. If he had better timing he could maybe make it work but as the season progresses and more game tape comes out on his tendencies he is going to get picked more often.

Never said he was the long term anwser, but I don't think there is anyone better right now to lead us to victory. At this moment, he is the man for the job. I also think it's entirely way to early to say that he can't improve and become a very good quarterback. It all depends on how hard he works, and even though things weren't going his way against state I didn't see any let up. The kid is a competitor and he wants to win, that can't be said about everyone. He took some shots in that game, he's a tough kid that would do anything to win.
 
Lots of folks burying Hunt in this thread. If he improves steadily and we see him with better WR's next season? The threat of the run will set is up for the next couple of years.

This thread is classic bait for a dumb hypothetical argument that leads to nothing but a chance for folks to dump on our starting QB who just won the programs 1st ACC game. Waste of time.
 
Lots of folks burying Hunt in this thread. If he improves steadily and we see him with better WR's next season? The threat of the run will set is up for the next couple of years.

This thread is classic bait for a dumb hypothetical argument that leads to nothing but a chance for folks to dump on our starting QB who just won the programs 1st ACC game. Waste of time.
So you think there is no legitimate reason to be concerned about the QB play? Hunt is solid in your eyes and from here on out he is going to have no issues with passing...you know...like a QB is supposed to do?
 
god help the program if Hunt has a stranglehold on the job. I really hope we recruit over him, and quickly. Kid throws the ball like it weighs 30 pounds. If only we had an offensive line with any skill this year, Allen would have kept the job pretty easily. Allen would've been very good under last years squad.
so what you're saying is one of the bigger problems to this point is the offensive line, no talent and not doing the job this year? Do I have that right?
 
i'm not trying to start a big thing here. I'm fine with seeing how hunt progresses because I think he deserves some credit for the improvement in the run game. this is just what if, at this point you can't drop him in there

but Hunt is 18-44 for 126 yards 0 TDs and 5 INT in the ACC. His conference passer rating so far is 42

Drew Allen is 46-82 for 485 yards 1 TD and 7 INT against BCS competition for a passer rating of 93.

A qb rating of 93 stinks, don't get me wrong. There's a good argument for saying, "42 or 93, what's the difference, we're going to lose either way, let's play the guy who can run."

But a qb rating of 42 over two games, with two games in a row at 61 or lower rating... That is unbelievably terrible. The last time that's happened was 2008 vs Rutgers and UConn (29 QB rating in those 2 games). Didn't happen in 2007. Not sure about prior years.

A lot of this is on the WR. I'm having Fontenette flashbacks. But a 42?!?

Broyld wouldn't get to throw to Broyld so that would hurt him. You have to wonder a little whether he'd be better though. Bar is set pretty low.

I said this all offseason and I think most here thought I was insane (and probably still do ... and perhaps rightfully so). But yeah, I absolutely wonder if either of these two staffs gave enough consideration to Broyld at QB.

The interesting comparison to me is WVU in 2005 with Pat White. So, before everyone loses their s--t, I understand that white was a far more highly regarded QB prospect and probably in another class in terms of sheer athleticism.

However, it's still an interesting study in terms of a guy that can be a serious threat running the ball despite not offering much in the passing game. White threw the ball for an OK percentage (57%) but rarely threw the ball at all (114 attempts in 12 games). He also replaced a guy in Adam Bednarik who was nothing special but completed 73% of his passes (145 rating) and ran for 3.0 ypc -- not terribly effective but not awful.

So would Broyld have taken over this season and led us to a Sugar Bowl victory? Uh, no. Is he our version of Pat White? Not likely.

But you still can't help but wonder what this offense might look like with a dangerous runner at QB and a slew of good RBs running behind a good offensive line, right? Instead, arguably our most dangerous offensive player is relegated to a role where he's touching the ball 4-5 times a game and while the theory is that he's getting it in space, he's only averaging 9.7/catch.

Long-term it's probably better to work on developing Hunt and some sort of more balanced offense, but I still think the idea of Broyld at QB was discarded a bit too hastily.
 
So you think there is no legitimate reason to be concerned about the QB play? Hunt is solid in your eyes and from here on out he is going to have no issues with passing...you know...like a QB is supposed to do?

1. I didn't say I wasn't concerned. I said hypothetically comparing him to a guy who has yet to take a real snap at QB is a waste of time.

2. If he runs for 100 yds and a TD every week, while the RB's go for 200+ ... Do we need to have a guy who is a great passer?

3. He will get better. Run game allows him time. We're not shooting to win the ACC this season, right? Let's let the strength be the strength and let the passing game evolve - especially when the opposing D starts to sell out completely vs the run.
 
I said this all offseason and I think most here thought I was insane (and probably still do ... and perhaps rightfully so). But yeah, I absolutely wonder if either of these two staffs gave enough consideration to Broyld at QB.

The interesting comparison to me is WVU in 2005 with Pat White. So, before everyone loses their s--t, I understand that white was a far more highly regarded QB prospect and probably in another class in terms of sheer athleticism.

However, it's still an interesting study in terms of a guy that can be a serious threat running the ball despite not offering much in the passing game. White threw the ball for an OK percentage (57%) but rarely threw the ball at all (114 attempts in 12 games). He also replaced a guy in Adam Bednarik who was nothing special but completed 73% of his passes (145 rating) and ran for 3.0 ypc -- not terribly effective but not awful.

So would Broyld have taken over this season and led us to a Sugar Bowl victory? Uh, no. Is he our version of Pat White? Not likely.

But you still can't help but wonder what this offense might look like with a dangerous runner at QB and a slew of good RBs running behind a good offensive line, right? Instead, arguably our most dangerous offensive player is relegated to a role where he's touching the ball 4-5 times a game and while the theory is that he's getting it in space, he's only averaging 9.7/catch.

Long-term it's probably better to work on developing Hunt and some sort of more balanced offense, but I still think the idea of Broyld at QB was discarded a bit too hastily.
Better example would be BJ Daniels. And we didn't want to go down that road in any way, shape, or form.
 
Better example would be BJ Daniels. And we didn't want to go down that road in any way, shape, or form.

I get that and I don't necessarily disagree with it (though I'm not sure it's a 'better' comp). But you don't think Broyld running with this line and a bunch of goodRBs would be intriguing.
 
I get that and I don't necessarily disagree with it (though I'm not sure it's a 'better' comp). But you don't think Broyld running with this line and a bunch of goodRBs would be intriguing.
nope, I think it would be a disaster.
 
nope, I think it would be a disaster.

Based on what? I mean I'm genuinely interested. I'm fine with Hunt and the way it's played out but how do you know it would be a disaster? And what are we calling the Drew Allen experiment by the way? That was an abject disaster but it actually happened as well.
 
I've seen a couple of things that have me concerned about Broyld, which lead me to think that he would be overwhelmed if he stayed at QB, or would at least struggle with the mental aspect of the game:
1) He's still challenged by "catch first, then make the play..." I believe that really special players have the concentration such that the game slows enough for them that this is second nature. Perhaps he will learn it, but you really need this as a QB, and I don't think he's there yet. His best chance is to learn this in his current role.
2) I saw him give up on routes, most glaring appeared to be during the Clemson game. My concern here is if he is giving up mid-play as a WR, perhaps he doesn't he thrown to or it is incomplete. As a QB, giving up mid-play could be disastrous.

I have no doubt Broyld has a huge amount of talent, but I trust the assessment of these two staffs that have decided his potential best contribution is as a playmaker (RB or WR.)

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I like Broyld being a wildcard, catching passes, running the ball and once in a while a pass. I'd like to see him get more running attempts like those "flash" plays.

As for Hunt. He doesn't have a gun and he has had some breakdowns fundamentally and if he continues to work hard, those things are fixable and his QB #'s will be a byproduct of that. Clemson and then his first away ACC game and in the rain no less, two tough lessons and let's see how he perseveres through this. To me, I see some skilled players that could be helping him not know what they are doing or are not on the same page and don't forget, Nassib had Lemon for 3 straight years as a go to guy where they had a pretty good relationship along with the tight ends as his dump guys.

Hunt has to look at the film with Lester and breakdown the mistakes. Guys haven't been open...when they do, you get too excited and your mechanics break down. One thing that could be a blessing for Hunt is that teams will see him step up in the pocket, feel pressure and take off. Now, if Hunt can go to the next level and move...stay behind the line of scrimmage and keep his head up like a point guard he will have LB's and DB's watching him and not the receivers...now he has more opportunity. From my seat, I see him getting pressure and taking off after the 1-2-3 count. Again, if he can get to that next level/phase we will have a very nice qb...that is as long as the receivers also are on the same page and more to the effective areas so Hunt can deliver them the ball.
 
Based on what? I mean I'm genuinely interested. I'm fine with Hunt and the way it's played out but how do you know it would be a disaster? And what are we calling the Drew Allen experiment by the way? That was an abject disaster but it actually happened as well.
I don't think he has the decision making ability to run a college offense. Every one of the "trick plays" we've had him throw on have been forced, I don't know if he's had a choice on them but that's slightly worrying. I also think a guy like Ashton who wears his heart on his sleeve might struggle if he makes a mistake to shake it off, which could cause him to be worse. You need a level headed guy at QB that can lead the troops, not a guy beating himself up. The coaches at Milford didn't even want to play Ashton at QB.

I think we can call the Drew Allen experiment a disaster too, but the staff could only go on what they saw in practice.
 
I don't think he has the decision making ability to run a college offense. Every one of the "trick plays" we've had him throw on have been forced, I don't know if he's had a choice on them but that's slightly worrying. I also think a guy like Ashton who wears his heart on his sleeve might struggle if he makes a mistake to shake it off, which could cause him to be worse. You need a level headed guy at QB that can lead the troops, not a guy beating himself up. The coaches at Milford didn't even want to play Ashton at QB.

I think we can call the Drew Allen experiment a disaster too, but the staff could only go on what they saw in practice.
i'm not up to speed on prep schools but i thought they play everyone - hard to get kids to your prep school if you don't play them - it's not like they're there long enough to ride pine and wait theit turn
 
i'm not up to speed on prep schools but i thought they play everyone - hard to get kids to your prep school if you don't play them - it's not like they're there long enough to ride pine and wait theit turn
Right but Milford wanted to try Ashton out at other positions as he would be rotated at QB but Ashton wanted to play QB.
 
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Amazing that after an 0-2 start with Lurch playing quarterback, we've gone 3-1 with our only loss being to the #3 team in the country. We just won our first ACC game on the road as a 7-point underdog, and people are bitching?

Get a friggin' grip.
 
Amazing that after an 0-2 start with Lurch playing quarterback, we've gone 3-1 with our only loss being to the #3 team in the country. We just won our first ACC game on the road as a 7-point underdog, and people are bitching?

Get a friggin' grip.
I know. I keep thinking the same thing. Sure, there were rough spots against NC St. but hell, we won the damn game! So now we wonder about putting in Broyld?
 
Amazing that after an 0-2 start with Lurch playing quarterback, we've gone 3-1 with our only loss being to the #3 team in the country. We just won our first ACC game on the road as a 7-point underdog, and people are bitching?

Get a friggin' grip.
no one is really bitching, rather thinking out loud. Thinking about how you get to the next level, thinking about getting beyond middle of the road success and how and what it takes to get there. Understanding with this level of statistical qb play that's unlikely to happen and wondering how to improve it.

Wondering/thinking out loud ISN'T calling for a change anywhere. As Millhouse and the rest of us have pointed out numerous times, nobody is calling for a change, especially with the one discussed here as it would possibly and likely result in an apples to apples change, maybe maybe not. Hunts a winner overall and, also as pointed out numerous times in this thread, many hope he grows and evolves and improves and becomes a player to get the team the next level with improved play. If a message board isn't for this type things what is it for?

Those going off the rails not allowing for a little speculation on said message board are the one who need to get a friggin grip.
 
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no one is really bitching, rather thinking out loud. Thinking about how you get to the next level, thinking about getting beyond middle of the road success and how and what it takes to get there. Understanding with this level of statistical qb play that's unlikely to happen and wondering how to improve it.

Wondering/thinking out loud ISN'T calling for a change anywhere. As Millhouse and the rest of us have pointed out numerous times, nobody is calling for a change. Hunts a winner overall and, also as pointed out numerous times in this thread, many hope he grows and evolves and improves and becomes a player to get the team the next level with improved play. If a message board isn't for this type things what is it for?

Those going off the rails not allowing for a little speculation on said message board are the one who need to get a friggin grip.
At this point, I wonder about Loeb, Kimble, Wilson, and Green at QB before I wonder about Broyld there. Just wondering.
 
Amazing that after an 0-2 start with Lurch playing quarterback, we've gone 3-1 with our only loss being to the #3 team in the country. We just won our first ACC game on the road as a 7-point underdog, and people are bitching?

Get a friggin' grip.
who is bitching?
 
At this point, I wonder about Loeb, Kimble, Wilson, and Green at QB before I wonder about Broyld there. Just wondering.

WHAT! ARE YOU CALLING FOR A CHANGE?!! Blashpheme! :)
 
WHAT! ARE YOU CALLING FOR A CHANGE?!! Blashpheme! :)
no, just Wondering/thinking out loud..no need to get all worked up about it...even if it is faux worked up.
 

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