I can't be the only one who wonders about Broyld at QB

[Capt. Tuttle]

i'm not trying to start a big thing here. I'm fine with seeing how hunt progresses because I think he deserves some credit for the improvement in the run game. this is just what if, at this point you can't drop him in there

but Hunt is 18-44 for 126 yards 0 TDs and 5 INT in the ACC. His conference passer rating so far is 42

Drew Allen is 46-82 for 485 yards 1 TD and 7 INT against BCS competition for a passer rating of 93.

A qb rating of 93 stinks, don't get me wrong. There's a good argument for saying, "42 or 93, what's the difference, we're going to lose either way, let's play the guy who can run."

But a qb rating of 42 over two games, with two games in a row at 61 or lower rating... That is unbelievably terrible. The last time that's happened was 2008 vs Rutgers and UConn (29 QB rating in those 2 games). Didn't happen in 2007. Not sure about prior years.

A lot of this is on the WR. I'm having Fontenette flashbacks. But a 42?!?

Broyld wouldn't get to throw to Broyld so that would hurt him. You have to wonder a little whether he'd be better though. Bar is set pretty low.

If he can't master the PlayBook as a running back or wide receiver why would you think he could master the nuances of playing quarterback?

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[Cuseregular]

If he can't master the PlayBook as a running back or wide receiver why would you think he could master the nuances of playing quarterback?

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I'm starting to think that this is starting to take on the an urban legend type status. In other words not true. I'm sure there was something to it early on the QB aspect which I'm certain was a deep learning curve, just like so many other young new recruits, but beyond that I'm not sure this is accurate what you suggest about the RB, WR spots. And this isn't fair to keep perpetuating a potential or likely falsehood. Unlike so many here I can find out for sure one way or another and will do so because, #1 if not true it really needs to stop, #2 secondary to number 1 if inaccurate, enoughs enough, sick of hearing this.

 

[bnoro]

I'm starting to think that this is starting to take on the an urban legend type status. In other words not true. I'm sure there was something to it early on the QB aspect which I'm certain was a deep learning curve, just like so many other young new recruits, but beyond that I'm not sure this is accurate what you suggest about the RB, WR spots. And this isn't fair to keep perpetuating a potential or likely falsehood. Unlike so many here I can find out for sure one way or another and will do so because, #1 if not true it really needs to stop, #2 secondary to number 1 if inaccurate, enoughs enough, sick of hearing this.

It's true.

 

[Millhouse]

If he can't master the PlayBook as a running back or wide receiver why would you think he could master the nuances of playing quarterback?

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he looks ok at WR to me.

qb playbooks don't have to be difficult. this is just one of those old cliches that no one thinks about. SU finally got a good offense last year when they simplified that playbook and let nassib make simple reads. we ran the same play over and over in the bowl game.

baylor doesn't even really have one. notice they just keep dropping in qb after qb?

we already go no huddle and just memorize some signals. anyone can do that.

 

[TheCusian]

I can't be the only one wondering how Macky would do at WR? He's quick, big and can block. He played it at gramps house in the backyard at Thanksgiving and was dynamite.

 

[xc84]

I can't be the only one wondering how Macky would do at WR? He's quick, big and can block. He played it at gramps house in the backyard at Thanksgiving and was dynamite.

You are not the only one. I wonder that too...and how Troy Green could replace him as starting center. Notice I never said either should happen...just wondered about it.

 

[Cuseregular]

You are not the only one. I wonder that too...and how Troy Green could replace him as starting center. Notice I never said either should happen...just wondered about it.

those moves would definitely get you to the next level. Hope they consider it.

 

[Millhouse]

I can't be the only one wondering how Macky would do at WR? He's quick, big and can block. He played it at gramps house in the backyard at Thanksgiving and was dynamite.

1565 yards passing
1047 yards rushing
18 rushing tds
17 passing tds
3 ints
state championship

meaningless, got it

you have accomplished the impossible and made clev look smart

 

[sufandu]

I've seen a couple of things that have me concerned about Broyld, which lead me to think that he would be overwhelmed if he stayed at QB, or would at least struggle with the mental aspect of the game:
1) He's still challenged by "catch first, then make the play..." I believe that really special players have the concentration such that the game slows enough for them that this is second nature. Perhaps he will learn it, but you really need this as a QB, and I don't think he's there yet. His best chance is to learn this in his current role.
2) I saw him give up on routes, most glaring appeared to be during the Clemson game. My concern here is if he is giving up mid-play as a WR, perhaps he doesn't he thrown to or it is incomplete. As a QB, giving up mid-play could be disastrous.

I have no doubt Broyld has a huge amount of talent, but I trust the assessment of these two staffs that have decided his potential best contribution is as a playmaker (RB or WR.)

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1) Sammie Watkins did the same thing against BC Saturday. He's been regarded as a special player since halfway through last year.

2) He wouldn't give up mid-play as a QB because the ball would already be in his hands.

 

[TheCusian]

1565 yards passing
1047 yards rushing
18 rushing tds
17 passing tds
3 ints
state championship

meaningless, got it

you have accomplished the impossible and made clev look smart

You're taking your hypothetical too seriously, Millhouse. I was just having fun with the premise; You know things that are fun to think about that will never happen.

The truth is this: the coaches clearly want a guy who can pass 1st, run 2nd. Kimble and AJ are the two QB's (and the FL kid) are the mold - athletic pass 1st guys who can run. The threat of both.

Ashton is a kid who they think can run (RB last year, HB this year) (and throw on trick plays), while they see Hunt as a kid who can develop as a passer while keeping things moving with his feet. That is - the closest they see as the ideal (given Allen's implosion).

I've defended Ashton on this board all season because he is our best receiver, is vastly improved catching the ball. But like I said - I think it dumps on the guy who is 3-1.

 

[Cuseregular]

1565 yards passing
1047 yards rushing
18 rushing tds
17 passing tds
3 ints
state championship

meaningless, got it

you have accomplished the impossible and made clev look smart

clearly from what you can see in this tape it screams how he doesn't have the skills for the position and how much he sucks at qb on the way to those numbers...

 

[TheCusian]

clearly from what you can see in this tape screams how much he sucks at the position on the way to those numbers...

Can't defend the current reality vs your wet dreams. Grass is always greener, I guess.

 

[Cuseregular]

Can't defend the current reality vs your wet dreams. Grass is always greener, I guess.

dollar and a dream...

 

[billsin01]

I don't think he has the decision making ability to run a college offense. Every one of the "trick plays" we've had him throw on have been forced, I don't know if he's had a choice on them but that's slightly worrying. I also think a guy like Ashton who wears his heart on his sleeve might struggle if he makes a mistake to shake it off, which could cause him to be worse. You need a level headed guy at QB that can lead the troops, not a guy beating himself up. The coaches at Milford didn't even want to play Ashton at QB.

I think we can call the Drew Allen experiment a disaster too, but the staff could only go on what they saw in practice.

Fair enough. I can't speak to his personality in any way, shape or form. But the one thing I would suggest is that my offense -- if I make the decision to go with Broyld -- is throwing the ball very rarely. Maybe 10 times a game? I mean, I'm obviously talking hypothetically but I don't think I'd be losing sleep knowing that I was getting Broyld/Smith/Gulley/GMII/McFarlane a ton of touches behind my big, physical offensive line. It's also a pretty simple read option scheme. I'm also not losing sleep by not getting many touches for Wales/Kobena/Clark/West, etc.

Again, I'm fine with what they are doing, but I think you have to wonder what might have been.

 

[orangeinohio]

Well, he had a tryout at the QB position in last year's preseason:
http://blog.syracuse.com/orangefootball/2012/08/syracuse_university_football_p_26.html

He wasn't made Nassib's backup. He was moved to another position.
For this year, there was no consideration at all of moving him to QB.
Maybe he's just not a good candidate for the job.

 

[syr02esq]

i'm not trying to start a big thing here. I'm fine with seeing how hunt progresses because I think he deserves some credit for the improvement in the run game. this is just what if, at this point you can't drop him in there

but Hunt is 18-44 for 126 yards 0 TDs and 5 INT in the ACC. His conference passer rating so far is 42

Drew Allen is 46-82 for 485 yards 1 TD and 7 INT against BCS competition for a passer rating of 93.

A qb rating of 93 stinks, don't get me wrong. There's a good argument for saying, "42 or 93, what's the difference, we're going to lose either way, let's play the guy who can run."

But a qb rating of 42 over two games, with two games in a row at 61 or lower rating... That is unbelievably terrible. The last time that's happened was 2008 vs Rutgers and UConn (29 QB rating in those 2 games). Didn't happen in 2007. Not sure about prior years.

A lot of this is on the WR. I'm having Fontenette flashbacks. But a 42?!?

Broyld wouldn't get to throw to Broyld so that would hurt him. You have to wonder a little whether he'd be better though. Bar is set pretty low.

Broyld is a poor man's Sams, the QB from Kansas State. Sams is more athletic than Broyld but still can't really run the offense for Kansas State. Close game against Baylor, but Baylor still won. Sams 4th Q interception was the nail in the coffin.

 

[Cuseregular]

I'm starting to think that this is starting to take on the an urban legend type status. In other words not true. I'm sure there was something to it early on the QB aspect which I'm certain was a deep learning curve, just like so many other young new recruits, but beyond that I'm not sure this is accurate what you suggest about the RB, WR spots. And this isn't fair to keep perpetuating a potential or likely falsehood. Unlike so many here I can find out for sure one way or another and will do so because, #1 if not true it really needs to stop, #2 secondary to number 1 if inaccurate, enoughs enough, sick of hearing this.

just to put this part to rest once and for all with everyone being at least a little right.
Direct from the horses mouth (coaches), not having AB at the qb position has everything to with the physical (weaker arm) than Terrel, and nothing to do with playbook issues at this point. Time to put that to bed (please note this mods going forward with posts on it...not fair to the kid).

 

[xc84]

just to put this part to rest once and for all with everyone being at least a little right.
Direct from the horses mouth (coaches), not having AB at the qb position has everything to with the physical (weaker arm) than Terrel, and nothing to do with playbook issues at this point. Time to put that to bed (please note this mods going forward with posts on it...not fair to the kid).

Right... they think Hunt is a better QB. I agree, it's been put to bed.