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I can't see 9-9 getting it done

Lunardi is terrible. Your post stated "all the bracketologists..." Palm, for example has us still solidly in.
In your scenario of only winning the Fla St game and then losing to Ga Tech - it would be a toss-up but I wouldn't feel very good about our chances. I've maintained all along that 9-9 plus 1 ACCT win should be enough - but again, so much depends on other bubble teams and then bid-stealing conf. tourney teams
Dude... you literally just said what my original post stated. I said 9-9 won't get us in unless we make noise in tournament. How is that any different then what you just said?
 
I'm so burned by the NCAA that we could win the ACCT and I'd still be nervous the NCAA would come up with some sham excuse to keep us out.

"BREAKING: Syracuse out of the NCAAT because Tyler Lydon's mustache wasn't ok'd by the clearinghouse..."


I heard the mustache comb he used was provided by the athletic department. Impermissible benefit. Boeheim looking at a lifetime ban.
 
9-9 with 1 acc tourny win i think would get us in, at least in the play in round. 9-9 with 0 acc tourny wins i think is a complete coin flip
 
Dude... you literally just said what my original post stated. I said 9-9 won't get us in unless we make noise in tournament. How is that any different then what you just said?
Dude, what does "make noise" mean? To me that sounds like winning at least a couple of games. And then your next post laid out the scenario of winning 0 ACCT games
 
The "who have we beaten" aspect does have me worried.

Outside of @Duke and ND without Jackson, our best conference win is FSU. There's BC x2, Wake, GT, and VT, with losses to other bubble teams Pitt x2 and Clemson, two of which were in the Dome. If we beat, say NC st and then lose out to finish 9-9, that's not an impressive conference resume and a bad finish to the season. I do wonder if we'd have to beat FSU again and/or win at least 1 in the ACCT.
 
The "who have we beaten" aspect does have me worried.

Outside of @Duke and ND without Jackson, our best conference win is FSU. There's BC x2, Wake, GT, and VT, with losses to other bubble teams Pitt x2 and Clemson, two of which were in the Dome. If we beat, say NC st and then lose out to finish 9-9, that's not an impressive conference resume and a bad finish to the season. I do wonder if we'd have to beat FSU again and/or win at least 1 in the ACCT.

UConn and A&M were huge wins. Need them to keep winning. We want to beat FSU again to be safe.
 
Dude, what does "make noise" mean? To me that sounds like winning at least a couple of games. And then your next post laid out the scenario of winning 0 ACCT games
to me its winning 1-2 games in ACC tournament. I don't think us finishing 1-4 and then beating wake does much for us. I want two ACC tourney games to make it a no brainer...and in a scenario where we win zero tourney games and go 9-9 we would be unlikely to get in. Also, I fully expect them to win NC State and Florida State. So hopefully this is a waste of time.
 
The "who have we beaten" aspect does have me worried.

Outside of @Duke and ND without Jackson, our best conference win is FSU. There's BC x2, Wake, GT, and VT, with losses to other bubble teams Pitt x2 and Clemson, two of which were in the Dome. If we beat, say NC st and then lose out to finish 9-9, that's not an impressive conference resume and a bad finish to the season. I do wonder if we'd have to beat FSU again and/or win at least 1 in the ACCT.
Again, and this can't be emphasized enough... Look around at the teams we're competing with for a bid, and who they've beaten this season
 
I think people are either forgetting or unconvinced that the selection committee will discount at least some of the losses under Hop. Assuming just one more win, this team is not the typical 9-9 team. We'd already have 10 conference wins if Boeheim didn't have the suspension.

I am unconvinced that we are getting a Boeheim break ... but I still like our chances at 9-9 (with no ACC tounry bad loss), because of basing my thoughts on the known-- the current resumes of the last 4 out.
 
I am unconvinced that we are getting a Boeheim break ... but I still like our chances at 9-9 (with no ACC tounry bad loss), because of basing my thoughts on the known-- the current resumes of the last 4 out.
Wouldn't the more losses we rack up under Boehiem diminish the Boeheim break we get? This is why we need to keep winning and not worry about a break.
 
Time to look at the resumes of the last teams in / out.

Based on the matrix, the consensus of people entering brackets today is

Last Teams In:
Oregon St
Alabama
Cincy
St. Mary's

Last Teams Out
Butler
Tulsa
St. bonaventure
George Washington

Granted there could be bubble busters.
AAC - Need Cincy, UConn or maybe Temple to win to keep it to 2.
WCC - Need St. Mary's to win the WCC tourney to possibly knock out Gonzaga.
MVC - Need Wichita St to win
In terms of other mid majors -- The only 1 I think that can get an at large right now is Monmouth.

Resumes to follow shortly.
 
Don't forget either, this is potentially the weakest field in the history of the NCAA Tournament, literally. There will be multiple teams selected with losing conference records.
Is it really the weakest field or is it the most balanced field? I agree that there are few clear cut superior teams this season but I'm not sure that makes it a weak field. For viewing purposes with no bias (other than SU of course), I'd rather watch a balanced tournament.
 
It feels like this thread is knee jerk generated by the 2 game L streak, but to me we can discount it. Those are games our #1 seed teams rarely win. This team still is a reasonably good ACC team. I think we should expect to beat FSU and NC St and we should expect to compete to the end against UNC with refs ultimately making a few nutty calls in their favor at the end. In my mind, we are a tournament caliber team.

I do understand the worry about getting shafted though. Experience tells us that SU is basically a protected seed or they are out. There has been one 5 seed (which was an auto qualifying bid) and one 8/9 that I recall and everything else has been top 4 or NIT. So yes I would feel much more comfortable if we had a few more wins.
 
I'm not saying we would necessarily deserve being in at 9-9, but if other teams are worse than us then we would deserve to be in over them.

Pearl is correct when he says you can't look at our record in a vaccum. i guarantee a good amount of u would be p-d off iff we didn't get in at 9-9, but they took another major conference team at 8-10. That's basically what happened in 07 when Stanford got in over us with a worse record.

Arkansas too
 
Is it really the weakest field or is it the most balanced field? I agree that there are few clear cut superior teams this season but I'm not sure that makes it a weak field. For viewing purposes with no bias (other than SU of course), I'd rather watch a balanced tournament.

I think it's just weak, tbh.
 
We get in if:

A. We Beat NC State and FSU (but lose to UNC)
B. We Beat UNC (then we are 100% in regardless of what happens)
C. We split with NC State and FSU (and lose to UNC) and win one ACC tournament game

not sure about B. if we lose to nc state, beat unc, lose to fsu and loss the 1st acc tourny game i dont think we're a lock by any means. if we finish 9-9 (regardless of how we get there) we need an acc tourny win to feel safe, maybe 2.
 
Time to look at the resumes of the last teams in / out.

Based on the matrix, the consensus of people entering brackets today is

Last Teams In:
Oregon St
Alabama
Cincy
St. Mary's

Last Teams Out
Butler
Tulsa
St. bonaventure
George Washington

Granted there could be bubble busters.
AAC - Need Cincy, UConn or maybe Temple to win to keep it to 2.
WCC - Need St. Mary's to win the WCC tourney to possibly knock out Gonzaga.
MVC - Need Wichita St to win
In terms of other mid majors -- The only 1 I think that can get an at large right now is Monmouth.

Resumes to follow shortly.
Arkansas-Little Rock is also a possibility. 22-3 with a 43 RPI. Weak conference but wins @Tulsa and @San Diego State
 
It feels like this thread is knee jerk generated by the 2 game L streak, but to me we can discount it. Those are games our #1 seed teams rarely win. This team still is a reasonably good ACC team. I think we should expect to beat FSU and NC St and we should expect to compete to the end against UNC with refs ultimately making a few nutty calls in their favor at the end. In my mind, we are a tournament caliber team.

I do understand the worry about getting shafted though. Experience tells us that SU is basically a protected seed or they are out. There has been one 5 seed (which was an auto qualifying bid) and one 8/9 that I recall and everything else has been top 4 or NIT. So yes I would feel much more comfortable if we had a few more wins.

Since the tourney went to 64 teams in 1985 here's SU seed numbers: 7, 2, 2, 3, 2, 2, 2, 6, probation, 4, 7, 4, NIT, 5 ,8, 4, 5, Meshaun, 3, 5, 4, 5, screwjob, dynasty, 3, 1, 3, 1, 4, 3, self ban
 
We get in if:

A. We Beat NC State and FSU (but lose to UNC)
B. We Beat UNC (then we are 100% in regardless of what happens)
C. We split with NC State and FSU (and lose to UNC) and win one ACC tournament game
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You think we're a 100% lock if we lose to nc st, beat unc, lose fsu, lose 1st acc tourny game? Only a 9-9 conference record (technically 9-10) and finishing the season 1-5, basically wiping out any chance the committee has of taking into consideration the 4-5 record with hopkins.

I think its more important to beat both nc st and fsu than just beat unc. 10-8 in acc and we're getting in.
 
You think we're a 100% lock if we lose to nc st, beat unc, lose fsu, lose 1st acc tourny game? Only a 9-9 conference record (technically 9-10) and finishing the season 1-5, basically wiping out any chance the committee has of taking into consideration the 4-5 record with hopkins.
still think it would be enough - would be 4 top-25 rpi wins while most teams can't boast more than 3
 
I think 9-9 we are in. Bottom side of the tourney is going to be filled with bad teams. Only concern I have is if this is the year the tourney gives more mid-majors a shot at the expense of somewhat deserving power conference teams.
 
You think we're a 100% lock if we lose to nc st, beat unc, lose fsu, lose 1st acc tourny game? Only a 9-9 conference record (technically 9-10) and finishing the season 1-5, basically wiping out any chance the committee has of taking into consideration the 4-5 record with hopkins.

I think its more important to beat both nc st and fsu than just beat unc. 10-8 in acc and we're getting in.
I would feel more confident beating NCState and FSU and losing to UNC than the reverse of that (assuming a loss in the first round of the ACCT in both scenarios). However, going 9-9 in the ACC with wins at Duke and at UNC would be really hard to keep out of the tourney this year when the bubble is so weak and two locks (SMU and Lousiville) are already out. Bascially, the field is 70 this year.
 
If we beat UNC at UNC (with a win already at Duke) we could get shut out in our last two games and get in.
 

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