I don't get the ND hatred here...

[cto]

They won their NC game slot on the field. If we had won 12 games the way they did ... we'd all be cheering.

Okay, they may (or may not) get smooshed by Bama, but they won the right to play in the game.

 

[KaiserUEO]

not sure what your getting at.

but i hate them, just because......

 

[Marsh01]

They won their NC game slot on the field. If we had won 12 games the way they did ... we'd all be cheering.

Okay, they may (or may not) get smooshed by Bama, but they won the right to play in the game.

To me ND is in the same category as the Boston Red Sox, Georgetown Hoyas and Dallas Cowboys. Always have been.

 

[cuseincincy]

I can go on and on about why I hate ND but you are right...they played their way to the national chamionship game.

 

[Stevenson]

Notre Dame is my second favorite team. A good friend of mine captained the team in the mid-90s. We drink together when I'm in Chicago and he's in Boston. Top flight guy who would have fit in well at Syracuse.

 

[arbitragegls]

They won their NC game slot on the field. If we had won 12 games the way they did ... we'd all be cheering.

Okay, they may (or may not) get smooshed by Bama, but they won the right to play in the game.

Actually I am with Joyce...rather see Notre Dame in NC than a whole lot of other teams...first because it is a first rate academic university; secondly because it is an association of the conference we are in and hopefully they full join too; and third, I want to see Alabama's ass kicked as much as I want 'Cuse to beat WVU!

 

[qdawgg]

I don't have a problem with them playing in the National Championship, much better than an all SEC card.

I'm not sure why it's not alright to hate them though. I don't know why other people hate them but it shouldn't be a surprise why BE and ACC fans would hate them. I'm confused too.

 

[Doctor44]

I think in many ways it's similar to SU. They have more national appeal and an undergraduate that focuses more on science than other disciplines. Su is the Northern Ireland/ Protestant antithesis to Notre dame. Both have football movies. Frustrating that they keep stealing big time SU recruits, but otherwise I like nd

 

[Townie72]

I think in many ways it's similar to SU. They have more national appeal and an undergraduate that focuses more on science than other disciplines. Su is the Northern Ireland/ Protestant antithesis to Notre dame. Both have football movies. Frustrating that they keep stealing big time SU recruits, but otherwise I like nd

Syracuse is NOT the Northern Ireland / Protestant antithesis to ND.

If you are hanging your hat on the "Orange" idea and William of Orange, you should check your historical dates. There is absolutely zero connection between SU and William of Orange or Northern Ireland.

I'd be willing to bet that Protestants are a minority at SU. If you combine Catholics and Jews you'd get to way over 50%.

 

[Cadillac]

Roll Tide.

 

[Sullycuse]

I, for one, like and respect the tradition of Notre Dame...even if I can't stand the absurdly subjective view Lou Holtz holds on tv (then again my family is Irish Catholic, and have been brought up to, at the VERY least, want them to win when we're watching their games). Hatred is born of envy in sports. Success breeds jealousy: Everyone "hates" the Red Sox and Patriots now...but 15 years ago, they were an afterthought, pitied along with the most inept of teams for their misfortunes and "the curse" (though the new-found entitlement and obnoxious demeanor of a good number of our fans in New England certainly doesn't help). Notre Dame is hated because its a brand that can withstand seemingly impossible odds, like remaining independant through the past decade, and could sustain to the point where they had the audacity to thumb their nose at joining a conference (which I do resent, but if SU could pull that off...we'd be right there with them). A brand like that draws fans that otherwise have no connections to the school/team...whereas SU just doesn't have that draw, our fans are either alums, or central new yorkers for the most part...it's an understandable hatred, but worthless in the end, as I'm sure Notre Dame either doesn't care, or relishes in it, as most "top dogs" do.

 

[OrangePA]

One word- selfish.

ND does nothing for anybody but ND.

 

[BlackKnight76]

ND was my #1 choice coming out of HS. My cousin went there, and when I visited for her graduation (I was in 7th grade) I was totally blown away by the whole place. I was a pretty big ND Football fan through high school. Needless to say, I didn't get in, and I couldn't be happier, as I ended up at SU, but that being said I have very little love for ND at this point, though I am happy for my family of ND fans. However, anyone who thinks they don't deserve to be in the NC is kidding themselves. Sure, they could've lost to Pitt and the Stanford game was screwy, but they played a hell of a schedule and won out. I think Alabama blasts them, but stranger things have happened.

 

[44PRIDE]

My hatred for ND is generational. It was passed down to me like a family heirloom. Mostly its because ND does for ND....and ND alone.

 

[SaintTristan]

You also once expressed a view that you didn't see what the big fuss was about drinking and driving. Sometimes you miss the big picture, as great as you are.

I don't have a view on ND except that the thought of living for 4 years in that sh1tty Indiana town makes me want to forget college and join a union instead. But easy to see why someone might not like an elitist catholic institution if they aRe not catholic.

 

[RF2044]

My hatred for ND is generational. It was passed down to me like a family heirloom. Mostly its because ND does for ND....and ND alone.

Ditto. Frankly, I can't understand how anybody DOESN'T loathe ND!

 

[MaxwellCuse]

Notre Dame earned their shot at the National Championship. They are undefeated like Ohio State. They didn't get caught, unlike Ohio State. All Bama did was not get caught and yet they lost a game. This makes them more worthy??

Besides, my hatred of Notre Dame has been mitigated now that I have a daughter in grad school there. Especially since ND is paying her (legally). BEAT BAMA!

 

[br801]

Notre Dame is hated because its a brand that can withstand seemingly impossible odds, like remaining independant through the past decade, and could sustain to the point where they had the audacity to thumb their nose at joining a conference (which I do resent, but if SU could pull that off...we'd be right there with them). A brand like that draws fans that otherwise have no connections to the school/team...whereas SU just doesn't have that draw, our fans are either alums, or central new yorkers for the most part...it's an understandable hatred, but worthless in the end, as I'm sure Notre Dame either doesn't care, or relishes in it, as most "top dogs" do.

I believe SU basketball is indeed a national brand and now has many fans with no direct connections to the school or area.

 

[sufandu]

I've hated ND for a long time because of all the attention they get even when they are down. Other teams are forgotten when they have down periods. Having said that, I'll be rooting for them against Alabama because I hate the SEC even more.

 

[SmilinBob]

I don't hate ND at all, it's the media that is prone to hyperbole, agenda and that one shining moment that they show over and over again to the point you just want that point beaten down to submission. The build them up to be shot down. Let's also add that a punt returner for ND won a Heisman over the qb for an undefeated team.

 

[kirbivore]

Do they deserve the spot in the title game? Yes. Does that change the fact that I hate them? No. Around the time CTO was an undergrad I'm pretty sure there was a game vs. the Irish in which SU got royally screwed. Some of the more experience SU fans can fill in the details.

 

[Shenexon]

I'd rather ND win than Alabama, but think they're irresponsible and have damaged their partners. At one time, there were many independents but almost all have joined conferences. ND has held out for their own benefit while asking others to help their non-football programs by including them in conferences they weren't willing to commit to as a full partner. They hurt the Big East and enjoy being the school that everyone wants but can't have, causing harm to many schools in the country that are members of the conferences they dally with. They can be a great force for sanity and stability, but choose to fend for themselves and complicate the lives of many people associated with schools whose situation won't be resolved until ND picks a permanent seat. They have the ability to help the ACC, but had the same opportunity with the BE and had the opposite effect. They may be a superb academic university and a sports legend, but they're an example of what is wrong in college athletics. I don't hate them, but my respect for them is pretty low until they act more responsibly toward their "partners".

 

[AccuRater]

They won their NC game slot on the field. If we had won 12 games the way they did ... we'd all be cheering.

Okay, they may (or may not) get smooshed by Bama, but they won the right to play in the game.

My "hatred" began with this.

The following is from Wikipedia.

" In 1961, Notre Dame faced Syracuse at home and trailed, 15–14, with three seconds left to play. A desperation 56-yard field goal attempt fell short as time ran out, and Syracuse appeared to have won the game. But the Orangemen were penalized 15 yards for roughing the placekick holder, and given a second chance with no time showing on the clock, Notre Dame kicker Joe Perkowski drilled a 41-yard field goal for a 17–15 Irish victory. Syracuse immediately cried foul, claiming that under the existing rules, the second kick should not have been allowed because time had expired. It was later determined that the officials had erred in allowing the extra play, but the Irish victory was permitted to stand. The current rule which states that a half cannot end on an accepted defensive foul was implemented as a result of this game."

Saw it on closed circuit TV somewhere on campus. Don't recall where. CTO, were you there? I believe it was Walt Sweeney who was charged with the penalty. I've never rooted for Notre Dame since. Notre Dame is the McCoys to my Hatfield.

Roll Tide!

 

[Eric15]

One word- selfish.

ND does nothing for anybody but ND.

College football is big business. If you aren't looking out for yourself and only yourself, you get left behind. Syracuse is no different.

 

[Millhouse]

They won their NC game slot on the field. If we had won 12 games the way they did ... we'd all be cheering.

Okay, they may (or may not) get smooshed by Bama, but they won the right to play in the game.

i'm the opposite of 44pride. i can't bring myself to hate ND because so many people in my family root for them (irish side, italian side). I never rooted for them but i don't hate them because of that. when they all want to talk ND football over christmas, i don't like being a about it, i just go along with it