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I don't understand why it's so hard for some of you to blame refs

I would say blame for yesterday lies with:
  1. Coaching - Good playcalling 20 to 20. Horrible in the red zone
  2. Players - Don't let it be close. Get the extra 1/2 yard that makes review and/or judgement unnecessary.
  3. Officials - There are always missed calls. We only remember the ones late that have more immediate impact.
Slightly OT but NFL refs are making the game almost unwatchable. Any ref that gets the call wrong after review should be suspended without pay for at least a week. Thats all I got.
I disagree. Players and coaches aren't going to be perfect. They literally have a group of people attempting to prevent them from doing exactly what they want to do. All refs have to do is be consistent with enforcing the rules. I don't just remember late calls. I remember egregious errors that happen throughout the game. The roughing the passer on Wax was BS. But if you're going to call it, call it the same way when the same things happens to Shrader. They didn't. Those were both big calls at important moments in a tight game. We're playing with a lead in the 4th and the BS hold doesn't matter if they're not complete crooks earlier in the game.
 
In an ideal world referees make good calls consistently. Referees that make lots of bad calls are tolerable if they are making bad calls both ways. Consistently bad is better than inconsistently good if all the bad calls go against one team.

Reminder that the topic of bias in college FB towards flagship programs has evidence toward it already.

 
trust no one !
if you want to complain about officiating fine. but to then extend that premise into " the ACC has a secret agenda to pay the officials to screw syracuse every game..." all i can say is seek help. call these guys.

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trust no one !
if you want to complain about officiating fine. but to then extend that premise into " the ACC has a secret agenda to pay the officials to screw syracuse every game..." all i can say is seek help. call these guys.

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Ahhh….the X Files. Gotta admit I enjoyed watching that show for a few years back in the day. God can’t believe I am old enough were the 90s were back in the day. Damn!
 
The only thing worse than people who blame the refs after every loss are the people who refuse to acknowledge the losses that the refs had a major impact on.

yesterday’s roughing the passer, no hold call, and the touchdown by Shrader all led to a points swing. Hard to argue that all three didn’t have a direct impact t in the game.
of course they had an impact. So did coaching decisions and so did some players who decided to take time off during a few plays (not covering the ball on a fumble and not pushing the QB out of bounds). I can't explain the refs. Maybe there is some sort of collusion ...but SU players should be held accountable for not fulfilling their duties too. Simple stuff.
 
of course they had an impact. So did coaching decisions and so did some players who decided to take time off during a few plays (not covering the ball on a fumble and not pushing the QB out of bounds). I can't explain the refs. Maybe there is some sort of collusion ...but SU players should be held accountable for not fulfilling their duties too. Simple stuff.
Yes, but execution and decisions by players and coaches are what SHOULD decide a game, not gross misconduct by the people tasked with ensuring fair play is maintained.
 
Yes, but execution and decisions by players and coaches are what SHOULD decide a game, not gross misconduct by the people tasked with ensuring fair play is maintained.
And so it is not just the refs that decided this loss...it was the players and coaches too. any one of the legs on that stool didn't break, SU wins.
 
And so it is not just the refs that decided this loss...it was the players and coaches too. any one of the legs on that stool didn't break, SU wins.
The difference is, it is supposed to be the players and coaches, not the refs. The refs aren't supposed to even be a leg. They are supposed to be a nonfactor. So, without the refs, the SU players and coaches did enough to win the game. If you're saying we should expect SU to be mistake free, that's not realistic and it's unfair. FSU wasn't mistake free and they won... because they got help.
 
The difference is, it is supposed to be the players and coaches, not the refs. The refs aren't supposed to even be a leg. They are supposed to be a nonfactor. So, without the refs, the SU players and coaches did enough to win the game. If you're saying we should expect SU to be mistake free, that's not realistic and it's unfair. FSU wasn't mistake free and they won... because they got help.
There are always ref screw-ups and always player screw-ups. I expect neither players nor refs to be mistake-free.

Just as SU may have won if a certain call was made... SU may have won if certain bonehead player errors didn't happen. I can complain about both.
 
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There are always ref screw-ups and always player screw-ups. I expect neither players nor refs to be mistake-free.

Just as SU may have won if a certain call was made... SU may have won had certain bonehead player errors didn't happen. I can complain about both.
refs miss calls which is why on some plays we have replay, which is why replay should be extended let a coach replay other things if they want and have a TO to use/lose. the idea that it would extend the game is dumb when the media can make a game drag out with 10 TOs in a quarter.

but when a replay is blown like the Rutgers game thats a mistake that should not happen and those happen 1 dozen times a weekend too

much like the shrader non TD call. You can argue that the ref thought he was down, ok but then why does he not blow the play dead then, he doesnt actually blow it dead until after you see the ball cross the goal line. and by rule what makes him blow a play dead.. The player being down or forward progress being stopped.. replay shows he had no way to every see the knees down and forward progress never stopped
 
There are always ref screw-ups and always player screw-ups. I expect neither players nor refs to be mistake-free.

Just as SU may have won if a certain call was made... SU may have won had certain bonehead player errors didn't happen. I can complain about both.
I expect refs to do their jobs. I expect players to sometimes play better than the guy attempting to prevent them from doing what they want and to sometimes play worse. As I said in another post, players and coaches have opponents strategizing to prevent them from doing what they want. Therefore some mistakes are expected on both sides. Who exactly is strategizing against the refs?
 
. Who exactly is strategizing against the refs?
No one. But they make mistakes. Always have, always will. I complain. You complain.
 
try this. buy two tickets. one in the home section and one in the visitors. you'll be amazed at how differently each section views the calls or lack thereof. that's basic fan bias. it's real. and it colors your judgement.

Give me a break -- you think that wasn't a hold? And not just a hold, but a blatant one? I'm still waiting to see one fan -- including any from the group of posters here actively advocating that it wasn't a big deal -- go on record as saying that it wasn't a hold.

Fan bias has nothing -- absolutely ZERO -- to do with it.

I've never seen so much straw man rationalization.

"Other calls were missed, too..."

"There were other mistakes SU made that were impactful..."

So what? What does any of that BS have to do with THIS specific topic -- i.e., the incredibly poor call that wasn't made?
 
Give me a break -- you think that wasn't a hold? And not just a hold, but a blatant one? I'm still waiting to see one fan -- including any from the group of posters here actively advocating that it wasn't a big deal -- go on record as saying that it wasn't a hold.

Fan bias has nothing -- absolutely ZERO -- to do with it.

I've never seen so much straw man rationalization.

"Other calls were missed, too..."

"There were other mistakes SU made that were impactful..."

So what? What does any of that BS have to do with THIS specific topic -- i.e., the incredibly poor call that wasn't made?
do you rant like this when a call goes our way ever ? i can think of a bowl game that was gifted to us. do you want to return the trophy or move on ?

(yes i'm talking excessive celebration)
 
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do you rant like this when a call goes our way ever ?

Was the AD ranting when he correctly complained about the call, and used strong language about how SU and the conference deserve better? Or should I just tell him to buy a ticket in the opposing team's section?

For the record, there have been many times when we've benefitted from calls [or non-calls] in football or basketball. I have no problem admitting when we get a beneficial call, and have acknowledged such in many posts over the years. I also have no problem pointing out when the refs fail to do their job, on a call as obvious as the one they missed Saturday. And, fortunately, outside of a few stubborn holdouts, it seems as though most everybody [including our HC and AD] feel the same way.
 
They missed a holding call. No doubt. As for a concerted, organized effort...So what's behind the conspiracy to keep us down? The ACC is worried that we are thiiiiis close to dominating football? The gamblers want Cuse to lose? The stripes don't like Dino? Wildhack? JB? The stripes ignore weekly post game reviews and the electronic media age to conspire against SU football, one of the smallest pimples in college football? What and why is this conspiracy against in motion?
 
I mean everyone knows that the call was blown.

but we as a team let it get down to being able to be a blown game with a single call and a single play

How many missed holds did they miss on Florida state that got us in position to score?

There isn’t a giant conspiracy to “sink” Cuse.

The AD correctly filed a complaint but that doesn’t mean we should solely blame the loss on that one call.

Anyway, it’s been 3 days since the game. Move on and get hyped for Wake Forest. This game may very well be the toughest game on our schedule.
 
For the record, there have been many times when we've benefitted from calls [or non-calls] in football or basketball. I have no problem admitting when we get a beneficial call, and have acknowledged such in many posts over the years. I also have no problem pointing out when the ref
i'll bet you a dome dog you won't find ten threads about them after a win.
 
i'll bet you a dome dog you won't find ten threads about them after a win.

I think it's important to acknowledge that there's a difference between a missed call, and a call that has a substantial influence on the ending of the game.

I'll give you a counter example to your point, I remember a basketball game back in 2010, were we were rated in the top five and played a pretty good West Virginia team at home. There was a blatant foul on us that wasn't called, which enabled us to get a stop on the game's final possession and squeak out a one-point win (or whatever). There was lots of chatter on our board about how the call went our way, how West Virginia got screwed, and how we were lucky to pull it out, and how the non-call that worked in our favor contributed to that outcome.

I'd probably lose the dome dog bet about it being 10 threads, but it was certainly discussed at great length. The same way that this horrendous call that didn't go in our favor this time is getting discussed.

This isn't a nuance between a subjective holding call that could get called every play but doesn't. We're talking about an egregious miss that has no business not being called, and was so bad that it's indefensible.

Pretending that a call on that magnitude is the same as every other missed call is as disingenuous as downplaying that it occurred by pointing to other things the team did or did not do as somehow making the s***** officiating not relevant.

We didn't play a perfect game, that's a given. But we played well enough to win, and the best team did not win Saturday in no small part due to that horrible call. The AD is right when he points out that it was inexcusable.
 
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No one. But they make mistakes. Always have, always will. I complain. You complain.
Sure. I'm not talking about minor mistakes: the run of the mill holds that don't get called on every play or a pass interference wherw both guys were fighting for position. I'm talking about ridiculous lapses in doing their job. Point out one bad call in that game that went against FSU that was at the same level as the bogus roughing the passer or the BS non-hold at the end. I don't think you can. They even had a chance to be equally incompetent in our favor when Shrader got hit similar to the play where we got called for roughing but no call. If we're drawing comparisons, what the refs did on those plays was akin to running a double reverse where the ball ends up in the hands of your slowest TE. They were inexcusable.
 
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was anybody holding on shredder's 50 yard scramble ? if you like flags you can throw them just about every play. 6 penalties called all game. 3 on each team. were calls missed ? sure . was there laundry that needed to be picked up ? sure. his name is brian and he's hiding in the everglades. or perhaps he stormed the field.
 
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