I know a lot of fans rip into Cooney,but who here

[retro44]

has noticed in this Boeheim offense this kid must run about 10 miles a game sprinting from sideline to sideline trying to come off screens.

It's totally nuts running this kid into the ground the way this offense runs. Most teams against this vaunted zone gets a lot more easy shots than this kid gets a game.

Boeheim also has Ennis slow down the offense and if you notice Ennis does peel away from Cooney on other opportunities during the games. I really think this is the type of offense Boeheim wants in the future...run 25 seconds off and then hope for a prayer.

This late season meltdown is all on Boeheim,not the kids who were doing what they are told to do.

 

[Millhouse]

It's because he can't create his own shot

 

[SU2NASA]

He is not so good.

 

[iommi]

I generally agree and equally frustrating is the lack of set plays and wrinkles to get easy buckets. What happened to things like the back door screen and lob? CJ and Grant can't finish an alley oop? And how many times did JB use a wipe board to diagram a set play out of a timeout?

Frustrating to watch.

 

[Ghost]

has noticed in this Boeheim offense this kid must run about 10 miles a game sprinting from sideline to sideline trying to come off screens.

It's totally nuts running this kid into the ground the way this offense runs. Most teams against this vaunted zone gets a lot more easy shots than this kid gets a game.

Boeheim also has Ennis slow down the offense and if you notice Ennis does peel away from Cooney on other opportunities during the games. I really think this is the type of offense Boeheim wants in the future...run 25 seconds off and then hope for a prayer.

This late season meltdown is all on Boeheim,not the kids who were doing what they are told to do.

Honestly, I was somewhat behind this reasoning about a month ago. However, the kid has had a pretty decent amount of open looks the last couple weeks and he doesn't hit those either. And he was doing it to start the year and was fine. Tired legs? Maybe.

Who knows. Kid doesn't create at all for anyone else when he has the ball though, and drives about once a month. You just can't have a starting shooting guard that limited. Andy was always decent creating for others, and he played far better defense. Just referencing Andy because his name gets thrown around a lot when ppl talk Cooney.

I don't know, maybe if we had someone that demanded double teams you could play in and out with Cooney...but we don't.

Not sure about whom to blame when it comes to tempo - Ennis seems to play slow. Maybe JB tells him to. Not sure. This offense was poorly constructed though. That much is clear.

 

[Toga]

For a guy like Cooney - he would have benefited from us running a secondary break where he has a chance of spotting up. Didn't see that this year.

On an unrelated note - why is he always swinging the ball around down low? Be ready to shoot just in case your defender doesn't immediately come out on you.

 

[orangehomer]

I think its on boeheim too. you watch some of these other teams, and unexpected guys sometimes give them a bucket here and there. well boeheim didn't even allow for that. between Roberson and the other freshman maybe someone could have helped. instead we are watching the same crap offense all year.

 

[We Are Syracuse]

I generally agree and equally frustrating is the lack of set plays and wrinkles to get easy buckets. What happened to things like the back door screen and lob? CJ and Grant can't finish an alley oop? And how many times did JB use a wipe board to diagram a set play out of a timeout?

Frustrating to watch.

You can't run these types of sets because the defense didnt respect syracuses perimeter shooting. The better the shooting, the more it opens up easy buckets. Hard to get easy buckets when their aren't many shooting threats. Fair shot 25% from three, grant didn't make many perimeter shots, and Christmas isn't much of an offensive threat. Teams just packed it in...

 

[Ghost]

It's because he can't create his own shot

Yeah, at the end of the day you have to ask yourself, what does Cooney do really well. If you can't name more than one thing, you're in trouble if that's your starting shooting guard.

 

[OrangeDW]

Cooney would look a lot better if the 1 and 3 could shoot 3's. It would change an awful lot.

 

[anomander]

I don't get when the sideline reporter said she listened in on the SU huddle towards the middle of the 2nd half and the only thing Boeheim said was to "make some shots". what? How about try and designing something to get us an easy shot? Something more then make some shots

 

[OrangeDW]

I don't get when the sideline reporter said she listened in on the SU huddle towards the middle of the 2nd half and the only thing Boeheim said was to "make some shots". what? How about try and designing something to get us an easy shot? Something more then make some shots

I thought we got a lot of easy shots. Ennis was 7-21 and easily could've been 11-21. He missed some really easy ones early. If Gbinije makes his wide open 3 and Cooney just makes 1...it should've been a double digit win.

If we just shoot to our usual level of sucky shooting we win easy. That was incredibly bad shooting.

 

[retro44]

I generally agree and equally frustrating is the lack of set plays and wrinkles to get easy buckets. What happened to things like the back door screen and lob? CJ and Grant can't finish an alley oop? And how many times did JB use a wipe board to diagram a set play out of a timeout?

Frustrating to watch.

Bernie Fine use to have that small clip board to diagram plays, now we assistants who bump chests on timeouts.

 

[retro44]

I don't get when the sideline reporter said she listened in on the SU huddle towards the middle of the 2nd half and the only thing Boeheim said was to "make some shots". what? How about try and designing something to get us an easy shot? Something more then make some shots

you nailed it there as I thought the same thing and didn't Rafferty say after that Boeheim runs a very simple offense

 

[STEVEHOLT]

I think we'd be better off with a 6'5" ish off guard who is lights out from three even if his athleticism is lacking. you can hide that lack of athletic ability vs the zone and at 6'5", he'd likely be able to get his shot off over other guards even when covered.

 

[EnnisEnvy]

The offense is no different than it has been and guys like Mac and Andy made shots coming off those screens. Cooney has missed a LOT of open looks. I believe it is a problem with fundamentals. He is letting the ball go just a tad too late and also is off balance way too often. A pure jump shooter (which is what he is) has more to pay attention to on their shot opposed to a set shooter. Also, he would do his overall offensive game a world of good by stopping that bad habit of bringing the ball down after receiving a pass. You can't do much by starting with the ball at your knees. Also, if he would develop a stop and pop move off the dribble it would be a big help to his game and the offense. He is much too one dimensional. With his elevation a stop and pop would never get blocked and he would have a good mid range game. He can't finish at the rim so this is an element to his game that would be a big improvement.

 

[Melancer46]

Obviously I never made it D1, but I was always groomed to be a shooting specialist growing up, and it seems to me like Cooney simply wore down as the season went on. He takes a lot of tough shots where he's catching on the run and shoots it while drifting to his side or away from the hoop. When your legs and your mind are fresh, it's easy for a shooter to factor in how they're moving to change their follow-through to account for it, but as you start to wear down, it becomes more difficult to focus like that.

 

[sufandu]

has noticed in this Boeheim offense this kid must run about 10 miles a game sprinting from sideline to sideline trying to come off screens.

It's totally nuts running this kid into the ground the way this offense runs. Most teams against this vaunted zone gets a lot more easy shots than this kid gets a game.

Boeheim also has Ennis slow down the offense and if you notice Ennis does peel away from Cooney on other opportunities during the games. I really think this is the type of offense Boeheim wants in the future...run 25 seconds off and then hope for a prayer.

This late season meltdown is all on Boeheim,not the kids who were doing what they are told to do.

Thank you. I've mentioned the Cooney sprint marathon a few times the last few weeks. There has to be a way to get a shooter open so he's not going from a dead sprint, getting turned, and setting his feet to shoot in an instant on every one of his shots.

 

[sufandu]

It's because he can't create his own shot

He can't, but JB never did anything different to try and get him open looks, and it didn't take long for teams to figure out how to defend Cooney's motion.

 

[Jasoncuse]

Cooney looked gassed today. He was grabbing his shorts and bending over at times. I don't know if running him ragged is the issue, but there certainly has to be a way to get the kid some open looks. Other teams don't seem to have issues getting shooters looks.

 

[sufandu]

For a guy like Cooney - he would have benefited from us running a secondary break where he has a chance of spotting up. Didn't see that this year.

On an unrelated note - why is he always swinging the ball around down low? Be ready to shoot just in case your defender doesn't immediately come out on you.

I said the same thing tonight. Catch and give a strong up fake. If the guys jumps, take a dribble and take an open 2 (I saw him do this maybe once or twice this year and make them) or get under the guy and draw a foul (we've seen enough guys do that to us when we're running hard at shooters).

 

[sufandu]

For a guy like Cooney - he would have benefited from us running a secondary break where he has a chance of spotting up. Didn't see that this year.

On an unrelated note - why is he always swinging the ball around down low? Be ready to shoot just in case your defender doesn't immediately come out on you.

I said the same thing tonight. Catch and give a strong up fake. If the guys jumps, take a dribble and take an open 2 (I saw him do this maybe once or twice this year and make them) or get under the guy and draw a foul (we've seen enough guys do that to us when we're running hard at shooters).

 

[OrlandoCuse]

It's been pretty easy to guard Cooney over the past 2 months. We rarely threw him the ball inside the 3 point line and he rarely drove past his defender. All the defenders had to do was jump out on him as soon as he crossed the three point line. Stick within a foot of him when he has the ball near the 3 point line and you are good. He's proven he can't shoot with a guy in his face and proven he can't drive by a defender that plays him tight. He should have plenty to work on over the summer.

 

[Alsacs]

JB has faults but he is Syracuse basketball. I am just disgusted we always lose when we play horribly. The last time we lost when our opponent was great and was beaten was 2009 versus Oklahoma. We lose games playing bad and We lost this game because our starting SG Cooney was awful and Gbinjie played well but JB didn't make the change as fast as he should have.

 

[sufandu]

The offense is no different than it has been and guys like Mac and Andy made shots coming off those screens. Cooney has missed a LOT of open looks. I believe it is a problem with fundamentals. He is letting the ball go just a tad too late and also is off balance way too often. A pure jump shooter (which is what he is) has more to pay attention to on their shot opposed to a set shooter. Also, he would do his overall offensive game a world of good by stopping that bad habit of bringing the ball down after receiving a pass. You can't do much by starting with the ball at your knees. Also, if he would develop a stop and pop move off the dribble it would be a big help to his game and the offense. He is much too one dimensional. With his elevation a stop and pop would never get blocked and he would have a good mid range game. He can't finish at the rim so this is an element to his game that would be a big improvement.

I'm not sure it will ever be fair to compare a guard to GMac. He had icewater in his veins even when he was forced to just jack stuff up because nobody was giving him help. Andy had a lot more offensive help. His best shooting year, he had Wes Johnson as our best scorer and a legit outside shooter and we had a legit post game with Jackson and AO. His other two years getting any real minutes he had a point guard that got to rim at will and force teams to collapse.

Neither one of those guys ran as much as Cooney does. GMac had the ball in his hands too much to constantly run off of screens, and Andy was able to just spot up and wait for the ball more often.