I know a lot of fans rip into Cooney,but who here

[kuethstheman]

I don't get when the sideline reporter said she listened in on the SU huddle towards the middle of the 2nd half and the only thing Boeheim said was to "make some shots". what? How about try and designing something to get us an easy shot? Something more then make some shots

Despite what the reporter said, they started taking it to the rim and got the lead back.

 

[kuethstheman]

JB has faults but he is Syracuse basketball. I am just disgusted we always lose when we play horribly. The last time we lost when our opponent was great and was beaten was 2009 versus Oklahoma. We lose games playing bad and We lost this game because our starting SG Cooney was awful and Gbinjie played well but JB didn't make the change as fast as he should have.

We won at least five this year when we played horribly. I'm not sure what you mean.

And everyone except G played badly. Why single out TC?

 

[sufandu]

JB has faults but he is Syracuse basketball. I am just disgusted we always lose when we play horribly. The last time we lost when our opponent was great and was beaten was 2009 versus Oklahoma. We lose games playing bad and We lost this game because our starting SG Cooney was awful and Gbinjie played well but JB didn't make the change as fast as he should have.

I agree with the bold text but only partially agree with the rest. How does our Senior leader get a pass for going 4-14 in an NCAA tournament loss? He was a two year starter, and, for a long period of the game, I didn't so much as hear his name called. Where was he when Ennis was scoring our last 11 points? Cooney certainly has holes in his game but wasn't and shouldn't have ever been the one guy expected to step up in a tight game. A senior second team all-american needs to score more than 14 points.

 

[rrlbees]

We lost this game because our starting SG Cooney was awful and Gbinjie played well but JB didn't make the change as fast as he should have.

Yea, that's the only reason why we lost.

 

[Alsacs]

We won at least five this year when we played horribly. I'm not sure what you mean.

And everyone except G played badly. Why single out TC?

I single out Cooney because he gave us nothing and Gbinjie actually played well and JB didn't hook Cooney as fast as he could. I only single Cooney out because JB only had 2 bench options and Cooney made the most sense to replace tonight.

 

[BuffOrange]

Obviously I never made it D1, but I was always groomed to be a shooting specialist growing up, and it seems to me like Cooney simply wore down as the season went on. He takes a lot of tough shots where he's catching on the run and shoots it while drifting to his side or away from the hoop. When your legs and your mind are fresh, it's easy for a shooter to factor in how they're moving to change their follow-through to account for it, but as you start to wear down, it becomes more difficult to focus like that.

I don't know if it's my imagination or what but I actually think he's the only kid I've ever seen who seems to shoot just as well on those "oh no why are you shooting that" drifters as he does on wide open, squared up, spot-up "crowd ready to explode" looks. No clue what that means for next year, but I don't buy the degree of difficulty for explaining his abysmal % lately.

 

[Alsacs]

Yea, that's the only reason why we lost.

You are entitled to your own opinion but don't patronize me either disagree or give your own opinion. Gbinjie played well but Cooney was kept in too long in the second half I believe. If Gbinjie starts the second half I think we have. A better chance. I wonder what Cooney's +\- was tonight.

 

[kuethstheman]

I single out Cooney because he gave us nothing and Gbinjie actually played well and JB didn't hook Cooney as fast as he could. I only single Cooney out because JB only had 2 bench options and Cooney made the most sense to replace tonight.

If you say so.

 

[Alsacs]

If you say so.

Yeah I guess so. My god I guess having an opinion means I say so. I can't stand these statements you may disagree with my opinion but don't say anything and instead so nothing.

 

[kuethstheman]

Yeah I guess so. My god I guess having an opinion means I say so. I can't stand these statements you may disagree with my opinion but don't say anything and instead so nothing.

I won't speak for Bees but honestly, Alsacs, blaming the loss on any one guy (or any one decision by JB) is ludicrous enough for me to conclude that you are beyond reasoning with. For you to expect a serious rebuttal is comical.

 

[Alsacs]

I won't speak for Bees but honestly, Alsacs, blaming the loss on any one guy (or any one decision by JB) is ludicrous enough for me to conclude that you are beyond reasoning with. For you to expect a serious rebuttal is comical.

When you lose by 2 points you think it's ludicrous to blame 1 guy? I have no problem having my opinion it doesn't mean I don't appreciate Cooney playing for Syracuse. I don't think the kid is a bad kid I just think has sucked and JB wasting 5 schollys this year and having limited depth put pressure on Cooney. I stand by my opinion of gbinjie starts the 2nd half I think we have a better chance to win.

 

[sufandu]

Yeah I guess so. My god I guess having an opinion means I say so. I can't stand these statements you may disagree with my opinion but don't say anything and instead so nothing.

I'll give it a go again since you didn't respond to my last post. I understand that JB could've substituted silent G for Cooney sooner, but couldn't he also have put him in for Grant. G and Cooney played nearly identical minutes. Grant fouled out in 34 minutes and only scored 4 points. Why is nobody ripping him? According to a number of people on here our offense took a dive when he went out hurt and it should've been immensely better with him back. Also, I know CJ Fair scored 14, but is that enough for a senior 2nd team all-american? Shouldn't he be expected to do better than 4-14 in an elimination game? Why are we dumping on our second least experienced starter when there are certainly other guys we should expect more from?

 

[two3zone]

When you lose by 2 points you think it's ludicrous to blame 1 guy? I have no problem having my opinion it doesn't mean I don't appreciate Cooney playing for Syracuse. I don't think the kid is a bad kid I just think has sucked and JB wasting 5 schollys this year and having limited depth put pressure on Cooney. I stand by my opinion of gbinjie starts the 2nd half I think we have a better chance to win.

Every single person who played in this game could be blamed for this loss using your rational.

Fair: missed too many shots, gave up a wide open 3 on defense.

Ennis: stupid turnover at the end of the game and two odd jumpers at the end of the game, missed too many shots.

G: lost his shoe and gave up 5 points

Rak; gave up a couple shots inside that he could have played better D on, didn't get in better offensive position.

BMK: don't have anything really on him, didn't really play much.

Grant: played like absolute crap. Fouled out with 4 points.


I'm not trashing our guys at all, just trying to prove the point that if you're blaming Cooney for the outcome of a close game that you could do the exact same with every player on this team that played meaningful minutes.

 

[Alsacs]

I'll give it a go again since you didn't respond to my last post. I understand that JB could've substituted silent G for Cooney sooner, but couldn't he also have put him in for Grant. G and Cooney played nearly identical minutes. Grant fouled out in 34 minutes and only scored 4 points. Why is nobody ripping him? According to a number of people on here our offense took a dive when he went out hurt and it should've been immensely better with him back. Also, I know CJ Fair scored 14, but is that enough for a senior 2nd team all-american? Shouldn't he be expected to do better than 4-14 in an elimination game? Why are we dumping on our second least experienced starter when there are certainly other guys we should expect more from?

Again I don't think anybody played well but with JB only having 2 bench options Keita and Gbinjie I think Cooney was the obvious guy for Gbinjie to replace. Grant and Fair struggled but they didn't look as bad as Cooney IMO. JB wasn't going beyond 7 guys I would use Fair and Grant over Cooney.

 

[sufandu]

Again I don't think anybody played well but with JB only having 2 bench options Keita and Gbinjie I think Cooney was the obvious guy for Gbinjie to replace. Grant and Fair struggled but they didn't look as bad as Cooney IMO. JB wasn't going beyond 7 guys I would use Fair and Grant over Cooney.

Ok, I can understand that, but idea that Cooney is the reason we lost is so far off. With the way he's played the last half of the season, nobody should've had any expectations for him. Grant has to score more than 4 points and Fair needs to not disappear for half of the game. I'm baffled that those two have gotten nearly a free pass on here tonight.

 

[Alsacs]

Ok, I can understand that, but idea that Cooney is the reason we lost is so far off. With the way he's played the last half of the season, nobody should've had any expectations for him. Grant has to score more than 4 points and Fair needs to not disappear for half of the game. I'm baffled that those two have gotten nearly a free pass on here tonight.

Dayton clogged the middle Fair and Grant didn't play well but I honestly think this game was lost because we had no space on offense. I like Cooney but his struggles from the ND game on really put a lot of pressure on Fair hitting the midrange game and Grant getting his own.

 

[orangefan13]

Cooney doesn't shoot shots under pressure well, wide open or covered. Its almost as if he needs to be out in his own world instead of in the pressure of the game to make a shot. And in a tough game he can't find that world.

Hope that changes in the next few years. Good job Gbinije, you reminded me more of a stronger wes johnson today minus the jumpshot. Has some guard and point forward skills.

Think back to last years final four triche and fair brought it mcw, and southerland didn't. Only 4 scorers on that team sadly same thing happened against dayton. When you only have 4 true scorers and only 2 of them bring it there is going to be blame after a loss. When 2-3 of your top players don't bring it, your either in a close game in the round of 32, or lose in march. Its like that every year no matter what name is on the jersey.

 

[SaltLakeOrange]

When you lose by 2 points you think it's ludicrous to blame 1 guy? I have no problem having my opinion it doesn't mean I don't appreciate Cooney playing for Syracuse. I don't think the kid is a bad kid I just think has sucked and JB wasting 5 schollys this year and having limited depth put pressure on Cooney. I stand by my opinion of gbinjie starts the 2nd half I think we have a better chance to win.

And I disagree with every single word of this post...wow...

 

[SaltLakeOrange]

Dayton clogged the middle Fair and Grant didn't play well but I honestly think this game was lost because we had no space on offense. I like Cooney but his struggles from the ND game on really put a lot of pressure on Fair hitting the midrange game and Grant getting his own.

This game was lost because we didn't make any freaking shots...spacing had zero to do with it.

 

[sufandu]

Dayton clogged the middle Fair and Grant didn't play well but I honestly think this game was lost because we had no space on offense. I like Cooney but his struggles from the ND game on really put a lot of pressure on Fair hitting the midrange game and Grant getting his own.

Fair missed wide open midrange jumpers last night, which is supposed to be his strong point (Cooney gets slammed for missing threes, but Fair doesn't for missing open midrange shots. What?). Your leading scorer is supposed to be able to take over a game when necessary and Fair never did that. He deserves more blame because he was supposed to be the leader of this team and couldn't step up when your senior leader is supposed to (contrast that with the games Napier had for UConn or Cotton had for Providence). I've had a hard time understanding why so many have had trouble calling out CJ when he's struggled this year, but Cooney gets slammed continuously. Cooney proved to be a one trick pony and when his one trick was taken away he struggled. I would expect that from a second year player starting for the first time. CJ was a senior two year starter that never developed a post game (BC played him man to man with a 6' 2" player and he never posted the guy up) and barely used his right hand. Teams knew that and played him as such. He didn't adapt well to it, and when his jumper wasn't falling, he was a non-factor. The #1 guy on a top 10 team can't have that happen.

Grant has been on lists as a 1st round draft choice and all we hear about is his freak athleticism and stud upside, yet he gets a pass for only scoring 4 points. The other team packed it in. So what? It's somehow Cooney's fault that Grant can only score by dunking? A small forward that could potentially go in the 1st round of the NBA draft should be able to score without being within 6 ft of the basket.

The only player on the team that has a clutch gene and the closest thing we had to a stud was Ennis. He proved it when he scored the teams last 11 points. He and Gbinije are the only two that shouldn't criticized after last night.

 

[Millhouse]

The offense is no different than it has been and guys like Mac and Andy made shots coming off those screens. Cooney has missed a LOT of open looks. I believe it is a problem with fundamentals. He is letting the ball go just a tad too late and also is off balance way too often. A pure jump shooter (which is what he is) has more to pay attention to on their shot opposed to a set shooter. Also, he would do his overall offensive game a world of good by stopping that bad habit of bringing the ball down after receiving a pass. You can't do much by starting with the ball at your knees. Also, if he would develop a stop and pop move off the dribble it would be a big help to his game and the offense. He is much too one dimensional. With his elevation a stop and pop would never get blocked and he would have a good mid range game. He can't finish at the rim so this is an element to his game that would be a big improvement.

Pure jump shooting seems way harder. There are a hundred boring two guards out there who knock down open set shots. My kingdom for one of those

 

[kuethstheman]

Pure jump shooting seems way harder. There are a hundred boring two guards out there who knock down open set shots. My kingdom for one of those

Better get two or three. I hope everyone realizes that we proved that one isn't enough.

 

[Cheriehoop]

JB has faults but he is Syracuse basketball. I am just disgusted we always lose when we play horribly. The last time we lost when our opponent was great and was beaten was 2009 versus Oklahoma. We lose games playing bad and We lost this game because our starting SG Cooney was awful and Gbinjie played well but JB didn't make the change as fast as he should have.

I think this was a team loss - not just one or 2 kids. I love them all but this isn't just on any one kid. Heck where was Jerami? Did anyone watch Dayton isolate Rakeem at the foul line, take it to the hoop and the smaller Dayton kid either got fouled or made the shot? JB noticed it. Trevor was a non-factor in the game but so was Jerami and Christmas who also had problems with Dayton's speed. CJ and Tyler tried but both certainly played less than a stellar game. They took 65% of the team shots on 31% shooting , worse shooting than even the team's bad overall FG% of 39%. Our point guard had 3 assists and 2 turnovers. The entire team had only 2 assists in the 2nd half.

This loss was way more than just one player not performing. The offense wasn't taking horrible shots - it was just missing shots horribly.(except for Tyler's second to last one for the time and situation) Dayton played about half the game without a center. When we finally stopped their penetration Dayton made their outside shots. They were quicker, shot better, passed better and out rebounded us despite our height advantage and we only lost by two. If one SU player regardless who it was had a stellar game , we would have won. No one did.

 

[Millhouse]

Better get two or three. I hope everyone realizes that we proved that one isn't enough.

My point was that we don't even have one

 

[Cusefan0307]

JB has faults but he is Syracuse basketball. I am just disgusted we always lose when we play horribly. The last time we lost when our opponent was great and was beaten was 2009 versus Oklahoma. We lose games playing bad and We lost this game because our starting SG Cooney was awful and Gbinjie played well but JB didn't make the change as fast as he should have.

Yeah and where the heck was Jerami grant yesterday. You want to hammer players don't forget him.