I like seeing Cooney put the ball on the floor.

[Sgt Cuse]

It's kind of amusing you count the redshirt year against him - just not sure why you would mention it other than to exaggerate your case. What was he going to add last year to prove anything to anyone, run on the court during the BE Tourney and grab an important rebound.

Good point Ghost. And it is the taking of the healthy redshirt that endears him to a lot of SU fans. A sacrifice made for the good of the program.

It is also a sign that SU has made an advancement in the right direction, an upturn in the program philosophy. This move may have a huge payoff. Can you imagine the GTown fans seeing Trevor come out in 2016?

There is the precedent being set. The success of this new strategy may hinge in large part on the results and treatment of Cooney. Lets hope Obokoh sees the love and the benefits.

 

[OrangeCrush22]

First of all, he's a Redshirt Freshman, not a true Freshman

Secondly, none of the players you listed was recruited to be just a three point shooter. They had a lot of other skills and attributes.

Third, whether his shot improves to where he's a real threat has yet to be proven. We will see. I guess.

lLst year, when MCW was a frosh, he made mistakes but there were "flashes of brilliance" where we could see the promise.

I may have missed them, but I haven't seen any of these "flashes" from Cooney.

You and over a million people got to see a pretty big flash last night.

 

[Townie72]

You and over a million people got to see a pretty big flash last night.

Which means what, exactly?

 

[OrangeCrush22]

Which means what, exactly?

What did it mean to you with Carter-Williams last year?

 

[orangenirvana]

Which means what, exactly?

Which means anyone who thinks he should consider transferring at this point is extremely misguided.

 

[Townie72]

Which means anyone who thinks he should consider transferring at this point is extremely misguided.

Cooney against UL.

14:30 left in 1st half . trips over his own feet sprawls across the lane losing the ball. Nobody forced it. Incredible. I don't think I have ever seen that done before. Maybe his sneaks are too big.

12:20 left in 1st half - missed lay up

11:34 left in 1st half - lost ball out of bound under the basket

Taken out ... JB had seen enough.

5:49 left in second half - missed 3 pointer

4:55 left in second half - missed two of two foul shots (Our designated sharpshooter)

Zero points. A couple of turnovers. No positive contributions except possibly giving Triche a blow.

Looks like last night against GU was not the start of a new Cooney.

 

[samspann1]

Wow, you are pathetic.

 

[Townie72]

Wow, you are pathetic.

Anything NOT true in my post?

 

[orangenirvana]

Anything NOT true in my post?

Seek help.

 

[samspann1]

I'm sure that you took great pleasure in Cooney's struggles in tonight's game. Spare us with the "but I really want him to succeed" bull.

It's sad that you dissected every one of his "negative" plays, down to the second they occurred.

You must be fun to hang out with.

 

[Townie72]

Seek help.

Reality bites, ehhh?

 

[orangenirvana]

Reality bites, ehhh?

Reality is that you got beaten down badly in this thread. I would stop bumping it if I were you. Embarrassing.

 

[Townie72]

I'm sure that you took great pleasure in Cooney's struggles in tonight's game. Spare us with the "but I really want him to succeed" bull.

It's sad that you dissected every one of his "negative" plays, down to the second they occurred.

You must be fun to hang out with.

Just took notes. I was going to write down the positives too. There weren't any.

 

[Townie72]

Reality is that you got beaten down badly in this thread. I would stop bumping it if I were you. Embarrassing.

Reality is that last night against GU was an abberation.

All the negative reaction just shows me that a lot of people on here don't like bad news. And they were on a sugar high as the result of Cooney finally contributing something against GU assuming that this was the turning of the corner. Based on tonight, it wasn't.

The people that ought to be embarrassed are the people that were taken in.

 

[tbonezone]

honestly the sprawl was pretty sad.

 

[Shrmdougluvr]

It's too early to be writing Cooney off. I have been surprised how in over-his-head he has been at times this year. For a large stretch of the season, he appeared to mentally be struggling and i think the game was moving too fast.

I think he is a pretty good athlete and has contributed defensively (allowing Siva that floater with 2 secs on shot clock tonight was bad though). His shooting has been disappointing but i expect that to improve. Apparently, he lights it up in practice. If he's a good shooter, it will come through eventually.

Plenty of players to come through the program had a marginal 2 or 3 years and became important contributers before they left the Hill. Hopefully Cooney will follow in their footsteps.

 

[kcsu]

I have posted this many times. Cooney needs to play. I really do think that he would have been better off going to a Maine in the fact he would be playing. I want to see him play in Europe this season against older and stronger competition. He needs to play against anyone other than Syracuse players to get his confidence back. He needs game time not practice time as doing well in practice is much different than being a gamer. I hope that he plays his ass off this year against great comp in a high level international situation if at all possible. I also hope that he works on foot speed vs bulk as he is plenty strong but needs more quicks. If he is a shooter he will get it back as he plays more.

 

[BlackKnight76]

I have posted this many times. Cooney needs to play. I really do think that he would have been better off going to a Maine in the fact he would be playing. I want to see him play in Europe this season against older and stronger competition. He needs to play against anyone other than Syracuse players to get his confidence back. He needs game time not practice time as doing well in practice is much different than being a gamer. I hope that he plays his ass off this year against great comp in a high level international situation if at all possible. I also hope that he works on foot speed vs bulk as he is plenty strong but needs more quicks. If he is a shooter he will get it back as he plays more.

There is a massive gap between Syracuse and Maine.

 

[orangenirvana]

Reality is that last night against GU was an abberation.

All the negative reaction just shows me that a lot of people on here don't like bad news. And they were on a sugar high as the result of Cooney finally contributing something against GU assuming that this was the turning of the corner. Based on tonight, it wasn't.

The people that ought to be embarrassed are the people that were taken in.

Taken in to what? That he shouldn't consider transferring already?

You think Cooney should consider transferring just because he didn't meet your personal expectations in his first season. That type of mindset is an example of our society of instant gratification.

 

[Townie72]

Taken in to what? That he shouldn't consider transferring already?

You think Cooney should consider transferring just because he didn't meet your personal expectations in his first season. That type of mindset is an example of our society of instant gratification.

I'm just calling them as I see them.

I don't think he met anyone's expectations, not just mine. I was looking for basic competence and not a lot of What mistakes, especially 30 games deep into the season. I'm sure he's disappointed too. Can't be a lot of fun sprawling across the floor in from of a huge crowd and a national TV audience.

Your mindset seems to be the "Trophies for all and juice boxes for everyone" philosophy that has crept into American society. "Whatever we do, let's not be judgmental. " There's a lot of "thin skins' on here. I say the kid looks to me like he ought to find a level he can play at and you'd think I recommended assassinating the Pope.

I'm not looking for "instant gratification" at all. My assessment after the 20 or so games I have seen him in --- albeit briefly --- is that the game at this level is too quick for him. I'd guess a lot of his shooting problems are associated with his rushing his shot. And while you can improve shooting, fundamental quickness isn't something you can practice.

He could go on to be GMac --- or as someone projected "better than GMac because he has better tools"
He could go on to be a role player ... a three point specialist and every team needs these guys.
He could only improve a little and play as much or less than he does now.

I think every one would agree that he is not a high probability prospect to play in the NBA.

So, if he is not convinced that he is going to be a starter at SU, then what are his choices. Stay or go, right?

If he goes, and chooses the right situation, he could have a heck of a college career. Or he can stay and roll the dice with the optimists on here who like to point to those that did make major improvements after their freshman years. (Without mentioning those that did not.)

He could be Duncan who transferred from SU to Rutgers. Or he might be like Joe Flacco, who transferred from Pitt to Delaware.

My recommendation to him would be that he ought to go where he can play and play a lot. You only get four years to play in college. I'd like that to be Syracuse. After all, I've only been an SU fan since the 1960's.

Boeheim is all about winning. If you don't understand that about him, you will never get him. He wants to win and that's all he wants to do. And if Cooney can help him win, he'll be golden. But if he can't, or Jim B doesn't think he can, then he'll practice and sit on the bench and get into games at garbage time.

 

[tbonezone]

despite all the top classes and recruiting success that we've enjoyed these past few seasons it still seems like we somehow got caught a guard short this year. surely dion waiters leaving early was not that unforeseen.

 

[Ghost]

Cooney against UL.

14:30 left in 1st half . trips over his own feet sprawls across the lane losing the ball. Nobody forced it. Incredible. I don't think I have ever seen that done before. Maybe his sneaks are too big.

12:20 left in 1st half - missed lay up

11:34 left in 1st half - lost ball out of bound under the basket

Taken out ... JB had seen enough.

5:49 left in second half - missed 3 pointer

4:55 left in second half - missed two of two foul shots (Our designated sharpshooter)

Zero points. A couple of turnovers. No positive contributions except possibly giving Triche a blow.

Looks like last night against GU was not the start of a new Cooney.

Really? MCW and BT have spent most of the year inexplicably slipping and falling down (usually once of twice a game - hasn't happened as much of late though). You're desire to shred this kid for just about anything is a bit out of control. Or you just don't watch the games since it really is (oddly) a common occurrence w/ our guards.

We get it, you hate him, and you're willing to exaggerate anything to prove it. Done. Move on.

 

[dundundun]

Actually Andy was a major player and contributor in his sophomore year. We lose that 6 ot game without Andy.
His defense was always tough.

The 6ot game was Rautins JR season, and it followed his redshirt year so it was actually his 4th year with the program.

 

[Townie72]

Really? MCW and BT have spent most of the year inexplicably slipping and falling down (usually once of twice a game - hasn't happened as much of late though). You're desire to shred this kid for just about anything is a bit out of control. Or you just don't watch the games since it really is (oddly) a common occurrence w/ our guards.

We get it, you hate him, and you're willing to exaggerate anything to prove it. Done. Move on.

A ridiculous comparison. Did you watch the game?

He didn't slip. He stumbled 8 feet across the lane. MCW and BT never did anything like that ever. Nobody pushed him or tripped him. There wasn't a wet spot on the floor.

I don't hate the kid. I wish he were better. Maybe he will get better.

But Boeheim isn't going to tolerate too much more of what he saw last night, I'll guarantee you. Right now with three guards, he has to.

You want to see this thread die. Stop arguing. I have said all I need to say. But I'm not going to tolerate insults when 1,000,000 people saw what happened.

 

[Ghost]

A ridiculous comparison. Did you watch the game?

He didn't slip. He stumbled 8 feet across the lane. MCW and BT never did anything like that ever. Nobody pushed him or tripped him. There wasn't a wet spot on the floor.

I don't hate the kid. I wish he were better. Maybe he will get better.

But Boeheim isn't going to tolerate too much more of what he saw last night, I'll guarantee you. Right now with three guards, he has to.

You want to see this thread die. Stop arguing. I have said all I need to say. But I'm not going to tolerate insults when 1,000,000 people saw what happened.

C'mon, you exaggerate stuff to help your case (you've done it a couple times in this thread alone) - which frankly doesn't need much help considering how he played this year. We've all had players we don't like (I'm talking to you Louie McCroskey!!!) - but u seem to really be anti-Cooney. No big deal - hopefully he makes you a believer someday, but maybe he won't.

MCW and Triche most certainly have fallen plenty of times w/out any help whatsoever from the opposition. Its' ridiculous to claim otherwise, go watch the 'Nova game we lost, BT fell 3 times for no reason, and MCW had a slip or too as well. He lost his footing, it happens, it doesn't mean he's gone full-r*tard as a basketball player.