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[bnoro]

If every school dropped all sports tomorrow, the schools will be just fine and survive and it really wont impact them all that much. They are Billiom dollar organizations after all.

Schools can survive without sports and the kids that play them. Most programs arent profitable anyhow, they just pump money back into the programs and facilities.

Without sports, no facilities needed, problem solved.

Of course that also means about 350 kids per school that wont get scholarships or aid for athletics.

This argument reminds me of the minimum wage increase in NY. People and Cuome pushed for it and the results have not been favorable. Resulted in more firings than they could have imagined. NY says it hasn't affected employment rates but McDonalds replaced paying jobs with touch kiosks. My double cheeseburger went from 1.59 to 2.19 overnight, Wendy's single was relatively inexpensive at 4.59 went to 5.99, so who is really paying, yep the consumer. In other words my fast food cost of living just went up like everything else in this state.

In other words be careful what you wish for, you might get it, except that it may look nothing like you thought it would.

I am not as big a fan at all of pro sports because of the money paid to the players. Owners were mostly wealthy before they bought franchises so it has nothing to do with them but players getting 200 mil contracts ruin the game for me. Switching teams every few years ruins the game for me. Not sure I would be as much of a fan or at all if players were getting paid. Also the shenanigans with below board dealings will increase, add agents to the mix, taxes, kids still being taken advantage of by agents, attorneys and handlers. Sounds like a mess to me.

Just my opinion, rant over.

Let's not act like conferences aren't signing million and billion dollar TV right deals and million dollar sponsorship deals. Where's that money going? Where's the ticket revenue going? How about the jersey/t-shirt/branding revenue?

The schools could all drop sports tomorrow but thousands of people aren't wearing a bright orange syracuse shirt around just because they attended the school. They do it because they feel pride and connection to the sports teams.

The kids are 100% the reason all that money is coming in. But we're not going to pay them? It's insane.

 

[xc84]

Ah, this argument. So where are football players supposed to go play if they don't go to college and want to make the NFL?

The NFL should be forced to allow players who graduate from HS to play. Then, if good enough, they can skip college.

 

[NailstheCusefan12]

The NFL should be forced to allow players who graduate from HS to play. Then, if good enough, they can skip college.

Why would they do that? It’s a free minor league system for them and it works out wonderful for those owners. It’s the same reason they had to implement a salary cap to keep costs fixed in the NFL. It ensures that the rich keep getting richer and that players can never truly maximize their worth because contract costs are fixed.

 

[gmoney44]

Unfortunately, the SEC is setting the market (closely followed by the B1G). And the gap between those 2 leagues and all others is getting larger.

We really are getting priced out of the top coaches, assistants and facilities in football and basketball in comparison to the SEC and Big 10. The tv money gap has to close but unfortunately it keeps growing.

 

[rrlbees]

Let's not act like conferences aren't signing million and billion dollar TV right deals and million dollar sponsorship deals. Where's that money going? Where's the ticket revenue going? How about the jersey/t-shirt/branding revenue?

The schools could all drop sports tomorrow but thousands of people aren't wearing a bright orange syracuse shirt around just because they attended the school. They do it because they feel pride and connection to the sports teams.

The kids are 100% the reason all that money is coming in. But we're not going to pay them? It's insane.

How many school ADs run in the black? And safely in the black?

 

[RandomGuy]

We really are getting priced out of the top coaches, assistants and facilities in football and basketball in comparison to the SEC and Big 10. The tv money gap has to close but unfortunately it keeps growing.

???

The ACC network is conservatively worth $10 million more a year, that we didn't have before. (For the 98 big revenue schollies- men's football/bball - that's $100000 per athlete)

 

[gmoney44]

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The ACC network is conservatively worth $10 million more a year, that we didn't have before. (For the 98 big revenue schollies- men's football/bball - that's $100000 per athlete)

1. My response was about the SEC paying absurd money for coaches and had nothing to do with paying players.

2. Show me where we are getting conservatively $10 million more per year from the ACC network. I call major BS.

 

[xc84]

Why would they do that?

So the players can make money if they wanr. Like the NBA. And go figure, colleges and the NBA are happy

 

[RandomGuy]

1. My response was about the SEC paying absurd money for coaches and had nothing to do with paying players.

2. Show me where we are getting conservatively $10 million more per year from the ACC network. I call major BS.

The OP was about assistant coaches salaries, in regards to paying players. Why I included it.

Here's the estimate:

Even the most conservative internal ACC Network projections have the conference shooting past the Pac-12

The ACC Network isn't launching as a linear channel until 2019, but it's projected to bring in more than double the Pac-12 Networks' per-school numbers.

awfulannouncing.com

 

[RandomGuy]

ACC revenue doubled from 2012 to 2017.
A continued 10% rate of growth from 2018 to 2020 would add 100 million. 7 million per school, plus the $10mil ACCN estimate.(minus the lost raycom, etc revenue)

ACC revenue up more than 10 percent for fourth time in five years

The ACC’s annual tax filing shows a revenue increase of more than 10 percent for the fourth time in five years, though average distributions to member schools continue to lag behind their Pow…

www.dailypress.com

 

[gmoney44]

The OP was about assistant coaches salaries, in regards to paying players. Why I included it.

Here's the estimate:

Even the most conservative internal ACC Network projections have the conference shooting past the Pac-12

The ACC Network isn't launching as a linear channel until 2019, but it's projected to bring in more than double the Pac-12 Networks' per-school numbers.

awfulannouncing.com

Those are projected earnings down the road. The fact of the matter is the ACC is the lowest paid of the P5 as of now and we have and will continue to be out paced by the SEC and Big 10. I think we can and will complete with the Big 12 and PAC but unfortunately we are surrounded by Big 10 and SEC territory.

 

[RandomGuy]

ACC is currently 4th.(but nearly tied for last) Yes, we will continue to make less than B10, and SEC. The only conference that had a greater increase in revenue was the B10. While we enjoyed an 11% increase, all the other conferences were essentially flat, or took a dip. ACCN will improve that more. We will likely wind up 3rd. Or so I've read.

 

[AngryOtto]

Ah, this argument. So where are football players supposed to go play if they don't go to college and want to make the NFL?

That I think is the argument against not paying players. It’s not just the scholarship. It’s the personal trainers, medical, nutritionist, tutors, separate meal plan, sports psychologist, physical trainers, travel, equipment and top level coaching etc. This is all paid by the school. When you add that up for just 85 players the school pays tens of millions of dollars to athletes. Now times that by basketball and all the Olympic sports.
If it was not for these benefits they would not even have a shot to play professionally except for basketball.
As a person said before they are not forced to take the athletic scholarship. In exchange they not only get all the benefits mentioned above but the increased possibility to play professionally. If they do not go pro they get a college degree that they do not have to pay back which will allow them the potential to make more money then without the degree.
Finally they get to continue to play a game they love.
The choice is theirs. No one forces them to play.

 

[bnoro]

That I think is the argument against not paying players. It’s not just the scholarship. It’s the personal trainers, medical, nutritionist, tutors, separate meal plan, sports psychologist, physical trainers, travel, equipment and top level coaching etc. This is all paid by the school. When you add that up for just 85 players the school pays tens of millions of dollars to athletes. Now times that by basketball and all the Olympic sports.
If it was not for these benefits they would not even have a shot to play professionally except for basketball.
As a person said before they are not forced to take the athletic scholarship. In exchange they not only get all the benefits mentioned above but the increased possibility to play professionally. If they do not go pro they get a college degree that they do not have to pay back which will allow them the potential to make more money then without the degree.
Finally they get to continue to play a game they love.
The choice is theirs. No one forces them to play.

They are forced to play because it is a closed system. There are zero HS players that are ready to play in the NFL upon graduation. College football gives them the opportunity to hone their skills and reach a level of play where they can get paid for it. How many kids in HS can't qualify to go to college and lose an opportunity despite an immense level of talent?

If you want to make the league, there's only one way to do it.

A scholarship is not payment.

 

[Bulldog04]

Players get a full ride worth hundreds of thousands of dollars for playing. I can’t believe people say they aren’t paid.

unless you played a division I sport, you have no say... I did and didn’t pay a dime for school at Binghamton University which is an amazing school or grad school at Long Beach State and athletes deserve to be paid regardless of tuition. All of my accomplishments in my life and all of my connections came from the sport I played, not my degree. Simple as that. There’s a little more to school than tuition. You have gas, books, groceries, meal plans, A LIFE that costs money... nothing is more maddening than when people that have never been in the position of a student athlete make comments about what they should or shouldn’t get ...

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Hey, I already solved this - just allow all student-athletes to profit from their name and likeness.

Look, I know what you're going to say before you say it.

It doesn't matter. That's not a problem. And you're wrong anyway.

 

[kcsu]

Ah, this argument. So where are football players supposed to go play if they don't go to college and want to make the NFL?

Oh this again. There are players in the NFL that didnt play in college. Im all for the athletes getting some amount of money per month( which they already do) as part of their scholarship. However it should be the same amount for all scholarship athletes regardless of gender or sport for all schools. 350-$500 per week which is a huge amount of discretionary spending money.
Last point. Most professional jobs have much more stringent requirements than the NFL which only has two basic requirements.
1: HS graduate
2: 3 years after graduating.

If a player wants to get paid to work after HS they are free to do so. Get a job, stay in shape, play for a local pro team and when you turn 20-21 go try out.
Or if you have the chance go to college for free get an education and try out after school or 3 years. Its simple.
Amateur or Pro.
No Labradoodles.

 

[rrlbees]

There’s a little more to school than tuition. You have gas, books, groceries, meal plans

All of that is covered plus more. It’s called cost of attendance. Plus a monthly stipend. Plus an additional meal subsidy.

 

[xc84]

unless you played a division I sport, you have no say... I did and didn’t pay a dime for school at Binghamton University which is an amazing school or grad school at Long Beach State and athletes deserve to be paid regardless of tuition. All of my accomplishments in my life and all of my connections came from the sport I played, not my degree. Simple as that. There’s a little more to school than tuition. You have gas, books, groceries, meal plans, A LIFE that costs money... nothing is more maddening than when people that have never been in the position of a student athlete make comments about what they should or shouldn’t get ...

Sounds like you were paid well but not a full ride (similar to my situation in college for the sport I played). And we have the added benefit of life experiences and connections. Of course we both had the option of not going to college and getting paid for just our athletic skills. See how much someone would pay us to forego college and the education and experience. Our choice

 

[Moontan]

1: HS graduate
2: 3 years after graduating.

I doubt that you have to be a HS graduate. You just need to be 3 years past what would have been your HS Senior year.

 

[Moontan]

For boys who are really good at some sports (baseball, soccer, hockey) there is no collegiate requirement. Baseball players can get drafted right out of high school. Soccer players can go to team academies in Europe and in the US. Hockey players can play in some Canadian development leagues which include some US based teams (well they did in the late 80’s).

There is no collegiate requirement for football players either. Unfortunately, there is no real alternative for kids to stay in the game and show off their skills. Their only outside route would be to pay to attend college summer camps (there may be age restrictions there... then again some older Canadian kids attend) and build a relationship with a nearby coaching staff such that they are allowed to participate in their pro day.

 

[SmilinBob]

Personally, I think there is just too much money thrown around when it comes to sports and entertainment. Football season tickets is one of the very few things I even pay for anymore and I'm still not sure I want to renew this year because of all this $ being thrown around when so many other things are much more important.

 

[OttoMets]

College athletes are typically pigeon-holed into majors that don't yield careers (Family Studies? What does that even mean?) The scholarships and services they are given can't be used in any way aside from how the body they play under, the school they play for, and the staff they follow dictates. They frequently take on full time jobs (athletics) on top of school (which is often the lower priority) and are given little money (at least legally) to spend as they choose. ...
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You and I are on different sides of the matter, and that won't change, but I agree that that is grotesque. Same with the jersey sales and countless other uses of the kids' likenesses.

The universities have undermined their position on amateurism through blind greed.

 

[OttoMets]

If every school dropped all sports tomorrow, the schools will be just fine and survive and it really wont impact them all that much. They are Billiom dollar organizations after all.

Schools can survive without sports and the kids that play them. Most programs arent profitable anyhow, they just pump money back into the programs and facilities.

Without sports, no facilities needed, problem solved.

Of course that also means about 350 kids per school that wont get scholarships or aid for athletics.

This argument reminds me of the minimum wage increase in NY. People and Cuome pushed for it and the results have not been favorable. Resulted in more firings than they could have imagined. NY says it hasn't affected employment rates but McDonalds replaced paying jobs with touch kiosks. My double cheeseburger went from 1.59 to 2.19 overnight, Wendy's single was relatively inexpensive at 4.59 went to 5.99, so who is really paying, yep the consumer. In other words my fast food cost of living just went up like everything else in this state.
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And on the flip side of my position relative to LeMoyne's, you and I are on the same page but don't agree with this analogy at all. For starters, fast food chains are introducing kiosks everywhere, both in states that profess to care about workers' rights and in the backward dregs that don't. Why? Because their goal is to maximize profits. They aren't jobs programs, they're food providers. Whatever gets the nuggets into the customers' hands with the biggest profit margin is what they're going to pursue. The state's goal, of course, is very different from that.

 

[xc84]

If an athlete does not feel his/her "pay" (full ride, education, college experience, social aspects, friendships, travel) in college is on par with his/her value, then he/she can opt to get paid outside of college for his/her sport. It is all about supply and demand. Let the market decide your $ value. No once forces kids to choose the college route.