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[LeMoyneCuse]

The same could be said about the car you drive, the TV you watch, or the phone you use. The people building any of them are paid much less than the executives calling the shots but not actually building anything. Nobody cares because all of those people are anonymous faces.

Trying to keep the argument as sports-focused as possible.

 

[xc84]

Oh no you had to pay 1.40 more for a cheeseburger. That darn minimum wage making me pay a buck more. Regardless why does players making big money in pro sports turn you off from them? That makes no sense

Cheeseburgers didn’t increase in price by $1.30. He just went to a Thruway service area where prices are higher.

 

[sufandu]

Trying to keep the argument as sports-focused as possible.

That's understandable. But when athlete compensation becomes the topic, it can't be discussed in a vacuum.

 

[JRHEETER]

I didn't have to do anything with that money, and it wasn't given to me for any purpose other than the valuation of my services. While I used it to supplement my expenses, I still had agency to spend the money however I saw fit.

Did you leave with any student loans?

 

[JrodCuse]

So uhhhh, any info or updates on new assistant coaches?

 

[longtimefan]

That's not the market. Blame the SEC

Unfortunately, the SEC is setting the market (closely followed by the B1G). And the gap between those 2 leagues and all others is getting larger.

 

[kcsu]

Its very simple. Amateur vs Professional. It doesn't matter what the coaches, the School or the NCAA make. They are PAID professionals.
The players are Amateur student athletes.
If anyone wants to stop playing amateur athletics they are free to do so.
NOBODY is forcing them to play collegiate sports.

 

[LeMoyneCuse]

Did you leave with any student loans?

A little. I lucked out for circumstances beyond SU. Do you know anything about labor history? Because you're arguing for something (the company store) that got negotiated away 70 years+ ago.

 

[SaltineWarrior]

Players get a full ride worth hundreds of thousands of dollars for playing. I can’t believe people say they aren’t paid.

Bingo. Add the legal/illegal costs & stress of the Admissions process. And this is "paid" whether a player is a star or never sees the field/court.

 

[JRHEETER]

A little. I lucked out for circumstances beyond SU. Do you know anything about labor history? Because you're arguing for something (the company store) that got negotiated away 70 years+ ago.

So you got a massive scholarship, got a supplement by working and still walked away with debt?

college athletes walk away with absolutely zero student loan debt. Not even a penny.

 

[JRHEETER]

A little. I lucked out for circumstances beyond SU. Do you know anything about labor history? Because you're arguing for something (the company store) that got negotiated away 70 years+ ago.

And as I said before, I’m all about the kids getting paid by Nike etc for using their likeness to make sales on jerseys, t shirts, bobble heads whatever...but I don’t think the universities should be paying the kids directly...At syracuse they are paying them well over $50,000 a semester...remember every little thing on campus for these kids is paid for. They also are getting too notch food, not that normal food in all the other dining halls...were talking steak, lobster you name it, they are probably getting it.

 

[LeMoyneCuse]

So you got a massive scholarship, got a supplement by working and still walked away with debt?

college athletes walk away with absolutely zero student loan debt. Not even a penny.

College athletes are typically pigeon-holed into majors that don't yield careers (Family Studies? What does that even mean?) The scholarships and services they are given can't be used in any way aside from how the body they play under, the school they play for, and the staff they follow dictates. They frequently take on full time jobs (athletics) on top of school (which is often the lower priority) and are given little money (at least legally) to spend as they choose. All the while, the coaches they play for, the school they attend, the conference they compete in, and the sanctioning body all make absurd amounts of money.

I know this will fall on deaf ears. But the ability to earn monetary compensation for the highly skilled labor employees are executing is literally the basis of US labor history.

 

[sufandu]

I just can't buy all of this.
College athletes are typically pigeon-holed into majors that don't yield careers (Family Studies? What does that even mean?). There is pressure, but they're not forced. You hear all of the time about athletes with quality majors like engineering or premed. There was a highly regarded FSU player that was premed and a Rhodes scholar. Many of the most elite athletes in the revenue sports are simply looking for the easiest route through school they can find because they only care about their sport. The smart ones, like a colleague of mine that ran division 1 track, used her scholarship intelligently to get her undergrad and a grad assistant position to pay for 3 years of PT school. You're right though, a family studies major is nearly financially useless. My wife has a degree in that. However, like many bachelor degrees, it can be an adequate spring board to grad school, which is required for many careers now anyway. The scholarships and services they are given can't be used in any way aside from how the body they play under, the school they play for, and the staff they follow dictates. They frequently take on full time jobs (athletics) on top of school (which is often the lower priority) and are given little money (at least legally) to spend as they choose. They get stipends to spend however they choose. Considering they get tons of free clothes and all living expenses are covered, that monthly stipend can go a long way. Mike Golic talked about how he and some teammates pooled their money to share an off campus apartment with plenty of play money left over. The claim of fullride student ahtletes not being able to afford pizza or a movie is a myth. All the while, the coaches they play for, the school they attend, the conference they compete in, and the sanctioning body all make absurd amounts of money. Such is the separation between the top and the bottom in many aspects of life. As I have said before, the only reason we care so much more about student athletes getting their fair share is because we see them on TV.

I know this will fall on deaf ears. But the ability to earn monetary compensation for the highly skilled labor employees are executing is literally the basis of US labor history.

 

[Stevenson]

If colleges didn't have D1 arms race, tuition cost would be halved, if not more

Also, if they would stop thinking that they are real estate and construction companies too, the cost to get that education would go from $50k a year to $15k a year.

one of the most inaccurate things I have ever seen posted on an internet message board.

 

[orangenauburn]

one of the most inaccurate things I have ever seen posted on an internet message board.

Thank you

 

[orangemass]

one of the most inaccurate things I have ever seen posted on an internet message board.

Wow. Big doins. Bragging rights

 

[FrancoPizza]

one of the most inaccurate things I have ever seen posted on an internet message board.

Please explain then

 

[Stevenson]

Please explain then

college costs would go from 50k to 15k if the athletics arms race ended? Really?

 

[orangenauburn]

college costs would go from 50k to 15k if the athletics arms race ended? Really?

Don't forget all the building costs and land real estate purchases!

Super proud moment here

 

[rrlbees]

Don't forget all the building costs and land real estate purchases!

Super proud moment here

Don’t forget most athletic facility projects are significantly paid for by donations.

 

[CuseOnly]

Oh no you had to pay 1.40 more for a cheeseburger. That darn minimum wage making me pay a buck more. Regardless why does players making big money in pro sports turn you off from them? That makes no sense

That's not the point,my cheeseburger is the least of it. The point is that it has cost the industry and people in it their jobs. It has increased the amount of firings in that industry so the big plan of raising the minimum wage in order to help people earn more money has actually cost them their jobs. People are getting fired so often that they are going to try to legislate labor laws so it doesn't happen.

Sometimes good intentions bite you in the ass.

But you missed that point in my post and decide to go after my double cheeseburger. And you missed even the point of that.

 

[RandomGuy]

In the 1880s, schools began offering free room and board, "gifts", and other incentives to football players. From the beginning, they realized there was monetary gain, as well as prestige that benefitted the University as a whole. For the next 100 years, I believe it was a true amateur model. The scholarship was not the athlete's piece of the pie. It was for the enrichment of all the student body, community, and alumni. That has value.

While the schools have added billions and billions of dollars, the athletic scholarship remains nearly the same.

 

[xc84]

In the 1880s, schools began offering free room and board, "gifts", and other incentives to football players. From the beginning, they realized there was monetary gain, as well as prestige that benefitted the University as a whole. For the next 100 years, I believe it was a true amateur model. The scholarship was not the athlete's piece of the pie. It was for the enrichment of all the student body, community, and alumni. That has value.

While the schools have added billions and billions of dollars, the athletic scholarship remains nearly the same.

The athletic full rides are worth billions more especially given Title 9

 

[bnoro]

Its very simple. Amateur vs Professional. It doesn't matter what the coaches, the School or the NCAA make. They are PAID professionals.
The players are Amateur student athletes.
If anyone wants to stop playing amateur athletics they are free to do so.
NOBODY is forcing them to play collegiate sports.

Ah, this argument. So where are football players supposed to go play if they don't go to college and want to make the NFL?

 

[RandomGuy]

Title IX.
Its important to note that Many Male athlete schollies were given to Female Athletes, instead. (Or the sport was just cut)

Example. From 1987-2002, here are the # of Male sports dropped for Title ix.

183 Cross Country
180 Indoor Track
178 Golf
171 Tennis
132 Rowing
126 Outdoor Track
125 Swimming
121 Wrestling

Many more from 1972 to 1987.