If I were the AD

[CuseOnly]

I assume you meant 'railing'. Either way, he was questioning, not 'rallying/railing'.

You never know, he might have been rallying from a hangover at the same time he was broadcasting, I find myself rallying after a gameday hangover from time to time myself.

I saw no railing whatsoever in that broadcast.

 

[OrangeSky]

You never know, he might have been rallying from a hangover at the same time he was broadcasting, I find myself rallying after a gameday hangover from time to time myself.

I saw no railing whatsoever in that broadcast.

Call it what you like. I still think that it had impact on the masses, which is the point I was making.

 

[Moontan]

These decisions don't matter against Clemson, but they do matter against Pitt, BC, NC State and Wake.

And USF and UVA...

So frustrating. One wants the Shafer experiment to work out...
I'm still going to hold out judgement until the end of the season... I'm on the fence.

 

[Chris02M]

the punt with 6 mins left in the game pretty much was give up mode as after that we were done and i hated the call and im sure im not the only one.

 

[IthacaMatt]

LSU may have some but Clemson didn't overlook us at all. They tried everything and went balls to the wall. They certainly didn't play vanilla and their QB had over 400 yards of offense.,

I agree. They don't like us after that first game we played up here in Shafer's first season. They wanted to kick our butts and run up the score.

 

[IthacaMatt]

You take Fournete (sp) out of the LSU equation amd they're a normal LSU team. Just like Bama showed the world. One horse wonders.

Kind of like Ron Dayne, back in the day. I loved when we beat them at Giants Stadium. Great day.

 

[CuseOnly]

the punt with 6 mins left in the game pretty much was give up mode as after that we were done and i hated the call and im sure im not the only one.

It was a good decision, 4th and 8 has about an 8% chance of success. If he goes for it and misses, it's game over, period. Keep in mind that our walk on QB only completed 8 of 20 passes for the game.

He played the percentages.

 

[IthacaMatt]

And USF and UVA...

So frustrating. One wants the Shafer experiment to work out...
I'm still going to hold out judgement until the end of the season... I'm on the fence.

Yeah, you've gotta win at least SOME of those games, and he hasn't gotten any of them. That's a bad sign to me.

 

[Chris02M]

It was a good decision, 4th and 8 has about an 8% chance of success. If he goes for it and misses, it's game over, period. Keep in mind that our walk on QB only completed 8 of 20 passes for the game.

He played the percentages.

game was over regardless at that point since us scoring 10 points with little to no passing attack was highly unlikely. I would of went for it if we didnt get it hope defense holds them to 3 and still 2 possession game.

 

[leftytg]

It was a good decision, 4th and 8 has about an 8% chance of success. If he goes for it and misses, it's game over, period. Keep in mind that our walk on QB only completed 8 of 20 passes for the game.

He played the percentages.

i'm not arguing for or against the call. I'm just pointing out that you can't assign a percentage for one side of a call, ignore the percentages for the other side of the call, and then claim he played the percentages correctly.

 

[CuseOnly]

i'm not arguing for or against the call. I'm just pointing out that you can't assign a percentage for one side of a call, ignore the percentages for the other side of the call, and then claim he played the percentages correctly.

If the percentage to convert the play if he goes for it is 8% and the percentage of not making a first down is 92% based on the percentages. Not going for it is playing the percentages correctly.

The other side of it is the field position, if we go for it and miss, they can almost assuredly score a field goal making it a 2 touchdown game instead of a TD and a FG to tie.

game was over regardless at that point since us scoring 10 points with little to no passing attack was highly unlikely. I would of went for it if we didnt get it hope defense holds them to 3 and still 2 possession game.

Games are never over with 6:00 left on the clock, how can you say the game was over? We scored 27 with no passing attack BTW.

 

[007]

SS hinted (actually it was more than a hint) that they had a fake punt called there and checked out when Clemson used a "safe" formation. Clemson thought that SU was going to fake, meaning that both HCs thought it was the call to make in that situation. SS did the right thing when Clemson forced his hand. Good coaching on both sides.

Now, if ever there was a time for Riley not to get off a 65 yard punt (guessing on the yardage, but it was huge), that was the time. It would have looked a lot different if they pinned them inside the 10.

 

[Alsacs]

The fact we are talking about extending a HC that has gone 7-21 against P5 teams.

We aren't beating P5 teams, 2013 looks so much like an outlier that I can't believe we won 7 games. The BC and Minnesota games are the highwater of this era.

Outside of your coach being Bobby Petrino your Head Coach is going to have good character. I mean c'mon on good character is not why we keep a coach another year.

Win these two last games or goodbye. 8-22 is NOT good enough. That is awful. Yeah let's keep a coach so next year so those numbers can be 10-29 and we lose one of the UConn/USF games.

Look at Willie Taggert at USF. He sucked his first two years and now in year 3 he is bowl eligible. That is progress and building a foundation. We are going backwards.

 

[elimunelson]

i'm not arguing for or against the call. I'm just pointing out that you can't assign a percentage for one side of a call, ignore the percentages for the other side of the call, and then claim he played the percentages correctly.

I'm not a huge SS guy but the game was over either way. If your best player is the punter i think the smart play is to punt it away and try and pin them inside the 5 and see if the D can make a play. 10 pts down 5 minutes to go, no right answers there. I like to second guess coaches but that was not the time to do it.

SS I thought coached a great game vs Clemson. I applaud the effort of the kids, the game plan and the execution. It was the number 1 team in the nation.

 

[leftytg]

I'm not a huge SS guy but the game was over either way. If your best player is the punter i think the smart play is to punt it away and try and pin them inside the 5 and see if the D can make a play. 10 pts down 5 minutes to go, no right answers there. I like to second guess coaches but that was not the time to do it.

SS I thought coached a great game vs Clemson. I applaud the effort of the kids, the game plan and the execution. It was the number 1 team in the nation.

I don't know why you quoted my post. I specifically said I'm not taking a position on the call. I'm not arguing with anyone, for or against. I was simply pointing out the fallacy of assigning a percentage on one side of the call, not assigning the percentage on the other side, and claiming the coach was playing the percentages. He very well may have been playing the percentages, but that post doesn't show it.

To make such an argument properly, one would have to compare the win expectancy of Syracuse picking up the first down (posited at 8% chance) and then ultimately scoring a TD or FG to the win expectancy of Syracuse punting, getting the ball back, and scoring twice in the time left.

Again, I'm not taking a position. I agree the win expectancy on both ends is very small, and I'm not assigning any blame to anybody on the call. I'm simply trying to point out a flawed mechanism in making a point, in the hopes that it may be helpful for the future.

 

[orangecuse]

It was a good decision, 4th and 8 has about an 8% chance of success. If he goes for it and misses, it's game over, period. Keep in mind that our walk on QB only completed 8 of 20 passes for the game.

He played the percentages.

Your point has merit, however, when you're nearly a four touchdown underdog in your own building past the halfway point of the 4th Q, you roll the dice in that situation, imo. Play to win, vs. playing to look respectable, and, at that moment, SS should've taken the path least travelled, vs. playing the odds. I have to imagine, punting the ball there down 10, with under 6 minutes to go against the #1 team in the land, the odds had to of been pretty high that Clemson was likely going to win anyways...so, why not take the chance. You really having nothing to lose at that point...again being a 4 TD underdog as mentioned...

 

[elimunelson]

I don't know why you quoted my post. I specifically said I'm not taking a position on the call. I'm not arguing with anyone, for or against. I was simply pointing out the fallacy of assigning a percentage on one side of the call, not assigning the percentage on the other side, and claiming the coach was playing the percentages. He very well may have been playing the percentages, but that post doesn't show it.

To make such an argument properly, one would have to compare the win expectancy of Syracuse picking up the first down (posited at 8% chance) and then ultimately scoring a TD or FG to the win expectancy of Syracuse punting, getting the ball back, and scoring twice in the time left.

Again, I'm not taking a position. I agree the win expectancy on both ends is very small, and I'm not assigning any blame to anybody on the call. I'm simply trying to point out a flawed mechanism in making a point, in the hopes that it may be helpful for the future.

Wasn't calling you out there. Sorry if that was the perception.

My overall point was there are tons of management issues this year that impacted games that could have been won. This was a no win situation based on the variables everyone has mentioned.

 

[Chris02M]

The fact we are talking about extending a HC that has gone 7-21 against P5 teams.

We aren't beating P5 teams, 2013 looks so much like an outlier that I can't believe we won 7 games. The BC and Minnesota games are the highwater of this era.

Outside of your coach being Bobby Petrino your Head Coach is going to have good character. I mean c'mon on good character is not why we keep a coach another year.

Win these two last games or goodbye. 8-22 is NOT good enough. That is awful. Yeah let's keep a coach so next year so those numbers can be 10-29 and we lose one of the UConn/USF games.

Look at Willie Taggert at USF. He sucked his first two years and now in year 3 he is bowl eligible. That is progress and building a foundation. We are going backwards.

its not a clear cut choice one way or the other which is why this is such a debate. There are pros and cons on both sides to keeping Shafer

 

[rrlbees]

its not a clear cut choice one way or the other which is why this is such a debate. There are pros and cons on both sides to keeping Shafer

Agree. And I trust Coyle because he was a Syverud hire and I have immense respect for him. It'll be a shame though if he's not replaced that some of our so called SU football fans will crush Shafer, Coyle, Syverud, the BOT and will stop supporting the program.

 

[GHLF]

What started "this whole mess" are the feelers that Coyle has put out, once that is out there the speculation naturally starts

Was Eddie in the AD's box?

Tickets, attendance, fan-base buzz, shouldn't factor into this decision, period.

Does the change make the program better, you don't make a change to feed the beast of fan opinion, that's just stupid.

That's what started this whole mess.

So true. You know it is funny when programs like Ole Miss have terrible or less than desirable seasons yet their fan base is still at the stadium packed. Ya I know it has been a long road but this city, re

Agree. And I trust Coyle because he was a Syverud hire and I have immense respect for him. It'll be a shame though if he's not replaced that some of our so called SU football fans will crush Shafer, Coyle, Syverud, the BOT and will stop supporting the program.

I completely agree, I truly hope this decision has not been made to replace coach. In my opinion as an alarm it would be potentially devastating. The Northeast/New England recruiting areas seem to be a pretty tough bunch. It would be like starting all over again when in my opinion we do not have to.

 

[GHLF]

Was Eddie in the AD's box?

Tickets, attendance, fan-base buzz, shouldn't factor into this decision, period.

Does the change make the program better, you don't make a change to feed the beast of fan opinion, that's just stupid.

That's what started this whole mess.

So true. You know it is funny when programs like Ole Miss have terrible or less than desirable seasons yet their fan base is still at the stadium packed. Ya I know it has been a long road but this city, re

I completely agree, I truly hope this decision has not been made to replace coach. In my opinion as an alarm it would be potentially devastating. The Northeast/New England recruiting areas seem to be a pretty tough bunch. It would be like starting all over again when in my opinion we do not have to.

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[Chris02M]

i am fine with whatever Coyle decides but hopefully he makes it sooner rather than mid december. I lean towards giving Shafer 1 more year but tell him no excuses 7 wins and or an upset or 2 while beating more peer schools. I also wonder if the Dome /campus major renovation project plays any role in his decision

 

[phil77]

Agree. And I trust Coyle because he was a Syverud hire and I have immense respect for him. It'll be a shame though if he's not replaced that some of our so called SU football fans will crush Shafer, Coyle, Syverud, the BOT and will stop supporting the program.

I am not one of those people who will stop supporting the program but the fan base is getting very frustrated with the lack of commitment to the football program. In there minds (not my mind)extending Shafer is another thing that points to the University is not serious about putting a better product on the football field. Right or Wrong it is there right to do as they choose. They do not want to commit time and funds to a program they don't feel is being taken seriously.

I will be very discourage if the choice is to extend Shafer after these past two seasons. Most people said we have been a failure for the past 10-15 with defensive minded coaches that they want a total change of direction with the football program.

If Shafer is here I will continue to support the program but my excitement level will be at a all time low.

 

[Chris02M]

I am not one of those people who will stop supporting the program but the fan base is getting very frustrated with the lack of commitment to the football program. In there minds (not my mind)extending Shafer is another thing that points to the University is not serious about putting a better product on the football field. Right or Wrong it is there right to do as they choose. They do not want to commit time and funds to a program they don't feel is being taken seriously.

I will be very discourage if the choice is to extend Shafer after these past two seasons. Most people said we have been a failure for the past 10-15 with defensive minded coaches that they want a total change of direction with the football program.

If Shafer is here I will continue to support the program but my excitement level will be at a all time low.

even lower than grob era?

 

[Bayside44]

Agree. And I trust Coyle because he was a Syverud hire and I have immense respect for him. It'll be a shame though if he's not replaced that some of our so called SU football fans will crush Shafer, Coyle, Syverud, the BOT and will stop supporting the program.

If people feel their money is being wasted in donating then so be it. Throwing cash down a perceived sink is stupid.