If you could choose, would you prefer 30 wins and sweet 16 or 14 losses + Final 4?

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  1. cuseattle

    cuseattle All American

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    Check out the recruit forum on his thread if you have a few hours. :(
     
  2. two3zone

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    Do any of your posts have a coherent thought?
     
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    I usually don't but thanks for the tip; I have in the past.
     
  4. Dave85

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    Final 4.
     
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    Bad team? Our "bad" team beat 4 ranked teams during the regular season including Duke @ Duke. How many "bad" teams do that? Name one. Some 30-win teams don't do that.

    Last year's squad was a good team that had a good season with a great ending, bad teams don't do what they did.

    B every time
     
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  6. NKR1978

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    Lute Olson had 5 in 38 years as a head coach. He was a great coach, no one would ever argue otherwise.
     
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  7. NKR1978

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    There are some people JB can't win with. I'd love to go back and find threads after 2012 and see who argued that the season didn't mean much because we lost in the Elite 8.
     
  8. orange79

    orange79 Internet Sleuth Staff Member

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    All-righty then. You have your opinion, I have mine. They're different. I'm not wrong, you're not wrong. Someone is having a bad night. Giants fan? I feel your pain.

    Could you tell me who forced you to read my post (or any other post for that matter) and waste your time so terribly? We take that kind of stuff seriously here, as no one should be forced to read things they find offensive. PM me if you don't want to out your captor. We have ways of dealing with situations such as this.
     
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  9. TCuse99

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    Don't need to read this long thread. The answer is Final 4 and it's not debatable. We can lock this thread now.
     
  10. orangenirvana

    orangenirvana All American

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    You and others in this thread (SWC) are confused.

    Just because most would choose a 14-loss Final Four season over a 3 loss Elite 8 season doesn't mean 2012 "didn't mean much" or any other season that ended before a Final Four is dismissed.

    The 2011-12 season was awesome. Just not quite as awesome as a Final Four season.
     
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  11. newmexicuse

    newmexicuse Starter

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    programs are measured first by ncs and secondly by ffs. it is an easy choice b.
     
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  12. orange79

    orange79 Internet Sleuth Staff Member

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    Agreed 100%. I don't get the "if you choose the Final Four option you don't care about 30 win seasons" opinions. Just because you choose one (as the OP asked) doesn't mean you don't care about the other. :noidea:
     
  13. NKR1978

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    I like a mix of both, but a Final Four certainly takes the sting off of a couple down years. And I agree, 2012 was a great year. Wire-to-wire top 5 does not happen too often to teams not named Kentucky, Kansas, Duke or North Carolina.
     
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  14. Actionthrill

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    I say final 4. But I also think more people would choose option A if we were still in the Big East with our old rivals. Beating Georgetown, UConn, St. John's, Villanova all meant something. We are now in the ACC with no rivals. So I feel the regular season means a lot less when you're not playing a rival every week. So give me the final 4 but mainly that's the case because our regular season doesn't mean what it used to.
     
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  15. QUSE

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    How are we as Syracuse fans not sick of sweet 16 finishes? We have what 25 of them? Let's be real no fans from elite programs like ourselves would ever bring up sweet 16s unless they wanna mock your post season choking job. How on earth is this even debatable?
     
  16. SWC75

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    But this is: "Post-season is pretty much all that counts."

    I was just saying that 30 win seasons are meaningful, too. I actually said that i'd rather have a Final Four than a 30 win season if it was a choice. I just felt that 30 win seasons also have value and should also be appreciated. . If you believe that then we don't have a problem.
     
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  17. realorange

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    Have to agree with you here SWC. 30 win seasons are a lot of fun and as I said earlier, I wouldn't ever want to give up the memories of those late 80s teams in the DC, Billy, Stevie era. Even though they didn't make a Final Four, they were a true pleasure to watch.
    Having said that, overall I'll take the Final Four over the big season in most cases.
     
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  18. Cusefan0307

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    I would gather most fans don't realize how much success we have had. Some fan's say 5 final fours by Boeheim and 6 overall is underachieving. It's also 8th all time. We also have the 8th most tournament wins of all time. Anyway you shake the numbers Syracuse is a top ten program.
     
  19. orangehomer

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    people were really nice to you and gave you the obligatory "likes" after your puff post which was basically to thank cto for your seats. which I am totally for, by the way, I like the stories too. but then you start berating people in the nonsense post about 30 win season or final four or whatever, and it rubbed me the wrong way.
     
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  21. hungrychuck

    hungrychuck 2nd String

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    I'll leave you to your opinion about Lute as a great head coach.

    But actually we're both wrong on the numbers. He had five in 34 years as a head coach, unless you expected him to reach the Final Four from Long Beach City College.
     
  22. orange79

    orange79 Internet Sleuth Staff Member

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    Berating?

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  23. IthacaBarrel

    IthacaBarrel Shaky Potatoes

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    Final four only thing I care about as a fan, I will remember last year far more than the great teams we had that didn't get to the final four, it would be like Dallas losing to Green Bay this weekend, Packers fans wont remember 10-6 regular they will remember the road to NFC championship and Dallas fans will be all for nothing.

    Only thing that matters in NCAA regular season is getting in to tournament, the NCAA regular season is actually very boring and mundane because there are no player rivalries etc. Although NBA season is longer at least you get to see great match ups. I couldn't name you a player on any ACC team other than Syracuse or Duke and I watch just about every Syracuse game, you couldn't pay me to watch NC st versus Wake
     
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  24. tbonezone

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    seasonal wins put butts in the seats. not final fours. attendance is down . nobody likes watching us get blown out at home.
     
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  25. TheGov3304

    TheGov3304 No Value, None

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    Is this a serious question? Final 4...Much better for recruiting.