IN SHAFER I TRUST

[jgeorge322]

I feel like if you knew some of the names talking about leaving if Shafer goes you'd be singing a different tune.

Its really stupid they are even thinking/talking of this and that youre being told of said thoughts.

 

[timkay99]

I feel like if you knew some of the names talking about leaving if Shafer goes you'd be singing a different tune.

It honestly wouldn't because I don't think they would actually leave. Who was the last freshman starter to transfer after a coaching change? I am just talking across the entire landscape? I have no idea, but it is nowhere near how many said they would at the time their coach was on the hot seat.

We are in the emotional state for players right now (discussing it) and would be even more emotional if he were to be fired. Once the dust settles and a new name would be hired, that is where you will see the decisions actually being made. Where ramifications of leaving become a factor (not playing a year is the big one)

Given a choice between Shafer and a mystery, literally every single player on the team should be saying they will be transferring if he gets fired.

 

[djorange1989]

Anyone notice how BC looks this year with their offense decimated? Kind of like us last year. They have 1 FBS win and no Power 5 wins. That was year 2 for HCSS and year 3 is getting all this young talent the game experience to be successful going forward. I don't understand why the hell people think he should be fired.

 

[money3189]

Im in the same boat as you but you are generalizing. Sometimes 3 years is enough to fire someone. This is not the case here.

Not understanding your stance here

 

[jekelish]

Its really stupid they are even thinking/talking of this and that youre being told of said thoughts.

How can they NOT be thinking about it, though? It's all the see in the media after every game.

 

[alphaorange]

Anyone notice how BC looks this year with their offense decimated? Kind of like us last year. They have 1 FBS win and no Power 5 wins. That was year 2 for HCSS and year 3 is getting all this young talent the game experience to be successful going forward. I don't understand why the hell people think he should be fired.

Yeah, and everyone wished we had their coach instead of HCSS.

 

[timkay99]

Shafer can give us that because he is devoted to the city of Syracuse. A new coach is gonna need his own players and system. Its gonna take another 3 years to let the new guy make his mark.

This is the only part of your post I disagree with. I don't think we can count on Shafer staying here long term if he is successful.

If Harbaugh leaves Michigan again for the NFL and Shafer has the level of success people here predict, he would leave for that job in a heartbeat (especially with his kids being in college in that time)

This is why I think you get the best coach you can. If he leaves after a year for a better job, that typically means it was a strong year for the program and the view of that program is higher in the eyes of other coaches.

I look at a program like Arkansas State:

http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/arkansas-state/

Freeze goes 10-3, leaves next year for Ole Miss
Malzahn gets hired, goes 9-3, leaves next year for Auburn
Harsin gets hired, goes 7-5

There will never be another Boeheim in college sports. Money talks.

 

[Ozcuse]

I feel like if you knew some of the names talking about leaving if Shafer goes you'd be singing a different tune.

The fact that it's being talked about by players and recruits means there is genuine worry that Coach may not be here next season. In some cases, that is as bad as the Coach actually getting fired. Kids will start looking around and may find another situation they like regardless if Coach Shafer stays or not. Coach isn't recruiting from a position of strength, especially as losses keep piling up.

Five more games to weather the storm.

 

[money3189]

Anyone notice how BC looks this year with their offense decimated? Kind of like us last year. They have 1 FBS win and no Power 5 wins. That was year 2 for HCSS and year 3 is getting all this young talent the game experience to be successful going forward. I don't understand why the hell people think he should be fired.

Exactly and teams like BC and Cuse are not powerhouse programs that have talent behind talent. Even some of the great programs dont recover from those types of injuries.

 

[money3189]

This is the only part of your post I disagree with. I don't think we can count on Shafer staying here long term if he is successful.

If Harbaugh leaves Michigan again for the NFL and Shafer has the level of success people here predict, he would leave for that job in a heartbeat (especially with his kids being in college in that time)

This is why I think you get the best coach you can. If he leaves after a year for a better job, that typically means it was a strong year for the program and the view of that program is higher in the eyes of other coaches.

I look at a program like Arkansas State:

http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/arkansas-state/

Freeze goes 10-3, leaves next year for Ole Miss
Malzahn gets hired, goes 9-3, leaves next year for Auburn
Harsin gets hired, goes 7-5

There will never be another Boeheim in college sports. Money talks.

I agree my man. Good points

 

[jekelish]

The fact that it's being talked about by players and recruits means there is genuine worry that Coach may not be here next season. In some cases, that is as bad as the Coach actually getting fired. Kids will start looking around and may find another situation they like regardless if Coach Shafer stays or not. Coach isn't recruiting from a position of strength, especially as losses keep piling up.

Five more games to weather the storm.

And this is precisely why I wish that, speaking from the standpoint of a Shafer supporter, I wish that Coyle would come out and state that he's the coach and will remain the coach at least through next year.

 

[alphaorange]

It honestly wouldn't because I don't think they would actually leave. Who was the last freshman starter to transfer after a coaching change? I am just talking across the entire landscape? I have no idea, but it is nowhere near how many said they would at the time their coach was on the hot seat.

We are in the emotional state for players right now (discussing it) and would be even more emotional if he were to be fired. Once the dust settles and a new name would be hired, that is where you will see the decisions actually being made. Where ramifications of leaving become a factor (not playing a year is the big one)

Given a choice between Shafer and a mystery, literally every single player on the team should be saying they will be transferring if he gets fired.

Although I don't think the inmates should run the asylum, if we lost Dungy, Ish, erv, and the Scott verbal, we would be screwed for a few more years.

 

[RoofBeam]

I am not in favor of firing Shafer BUT:
1). What do you think Narduzzi meant to indicate by the "Virginia effort," contrasting it with the "LSU effort?"

2). Shafer is a less than average game day coach and at times a horrible game day coach. If you don't see that you are aren't paying attention.

3). His after game press conferences are horrible and this is a big deal because he is representing the program and the University and I know for a fact that there are important people in the athletic administration who share this opinion.

4). If Shafer wants to be a successful P5 coach he needs to make some significant changes in his game day approach and staff philosophy. At this stage, I think the best you can say is that it is not clear if he is capable of or willing to make those changes.

Building the program progressively is the way to go. We cant rely on getting a big name coach. Its not going to happen. If we get lucky and get a young talented coach who has success he will leave for a better (higher paying) gig in a heartbeat. We need consistency and comtinuity. Shafer can give us that because he is devoted to the city of Syracuse. A new coach is gonna need his own players and system. Its gonna take another 3 years to let the new guy make his mark. I dont think we can afford that. Marrone didnt set the program up to compete for a ACC title and Im not saying its his fault. We are still in the process of building a ACC ready program. 2013 team caught some teams off guard. We were not a program who was ACC ready. We had veteran Big East talent players. We were able to win some tight games with some veteran players like Jerome Smith, Spruill, Bromley, PTG, Hickey and West. What if we lost to Wake Forest, NC state and BC that year? We would have been a 3 win team. Those could have been losses but we had veteran players who made plays when we needed them. This years team lacks that and has trouble finishing games. We could easliy be 5-2 with a young team. We are recruiting better players now. It takes 3 years to see them develop. We have a young team who is playing hard and are in position to win games. Thats all we can ask for. I would be concerned for Shafer if I didnt see the effort from the players, but I do, so we are gonna be fine. Just like everyone else I want the team to win now but next year is the true test. I think people are over analyizing things.

 

[timkay99]

Although I don't think the inmates should run the asylum, if we lost Dungy, Ish, erv, and the Scott verbal, we would be screwed for a few more years.

Ish wouldn't leave. No one leaves their draft eligible year to play a senior year in a new system, same with Erv.

Dungey, I am pretty sure, would be the first ever starting QB w/ no competition for a job to leave solely b/c of a coaching change (not to move up a level from FCS to FBS or anything like that).

Recruits are an entirely different ballgame.

 

[CousCuse]

How about HCSS gets extended through the time it takes to rebuild the Dome ? It wouldn't be fair for a new coach to have to deal with all the issues that entails and be expected to build a program. If HCSS does well leading the team through that , he's here for a while , if not , you have a stable program with a new stadium to entice a big time coach with.

 

[money3189]

I am not in favor of firing Shafer BUT:
1). What do you think Narduzzi meant to indicate by the "Virginia effort," contrasting it with the "LSU effort?"

2). Shafer is a less than average game day coach and at times a horrible game day coach. If you don't see that you are aren't paying attention.

3). His after game press conferences are horrible and this is a big deal because he is representing the program and the University and I know for a fact that there are important people in the athletic administration who share this opinion.

4). If Shafer wants to be a successful P5 coach he needs to make some significant changes in his game day approach and staff philosophy. At this stage, I think the best you can say is that it is not clear if he is capable of or willing to make those changes.

Some good points. I also know alot of great coaches who are bad with press conferences. Im not saying he hasnt mad mistakes as a HC. Alot of good head coaches make mistakes still. I believe in learning on the job just like every other coach is doing. He can get better. No one cared about his comments at press conferences in 2013 because we squeeked out some wins in got to a bowl. He is still that same guy. Gonna tell it like it is. I dont always like what he says but I can say the same about Saban and Meyer. We are not gonna also agree with every coaches decision or how he answers questions with the media. They knew what they were getting when they hired him. Fire him now if it means so much to them.

 

[baggerbob]

For all these examples, can someone explain to me what Syracuse was rebuilding from when Shafer took over? A bowl game, a new league with more money, better facilities, no NCAA penalties in terms of scholarships.

I'm fine with being patient, but you need to tell me how taking steps backwards is a good thing.

Pitt has had a number of coaches and yet that lack of continuity hasn't kept them from bowl games, or finding good coaches. They lost two guys to better P5 jobs and are already bowl-eligible after losing their best offensive player.

You like others forget 1-6, 4-3,1-6,5-2 in the big east, we were 11-17 against the Big East teams in the 4 years under Doug. That is a .393 winning percentage, we were just starting to get better, we weren't there yet. Doug started to bring us back, but we were not there yet, despite what some people like to fantasize. If Doug had stayed, and we didn't get the ACC bid, it would have taken at least 2 more years to get to .500 in the Big East, or year 6.

 

[money3189]

You like others forget 1-6, 4-3,1-6,5-2 in the big east, we were 11-17 against the Big East teams in the 4 years under Doug. That is a .393 winning percentage, we were just starting to get better, we weren't there yet. Doug started to bring us back, but we were not there yet, despite what some people like to fantasize. If Doug had stayed, and we didn't get the ACC bid, it would have taken at least 2 more years to get to .500 in the Big East, or year 6.

Doug also didnt get to coach in the ACC without a Nassib absent team

 

[Crusty]

Duke was coming off 6-45 Ted Roof regime before Cutliffe was hired
Memphis was coming off 3-21 with Porter
which is NOT the same as coming off 25-25 with an 8 win season and Bowl win over Geno Smith West Virginia...

quotes from when he was hired...

Give me a break, we were 11-17 in the BE and Randy and Shady owned his butt. Two of his 4 years we had one conference win. More importantly, the cupboard was bare when Shafer took over. Marrone's didn't leave the program in such great shape. He did a drive by and got out at his first chance.

 

[dasher]

Duke was coming off 6-45 Ted Roof regime before Cutliffe was hired
Memphis was coming off 3-21 with Porter
which is NOT the same as coming off 25-25 with an 8 win season and Bowl win over Geno Smith West Virginia...

quotes from when he was hired...

Did we move up to a better league? Yes we did.

 

[money3189]

Give me a break, we were 11-17 in the BE and Randy and Shady owned his butt. Two of his 4 years we had one conference win. More importantly, the cupboard was bare when Shafer took over. Marrone's didn't leave the program in such great shape. He did a drive by and got out at his first chance.

I liked Marrone as a head coach and I wish he was still here but it baffles me why people think he left the program in great shape as far as players. There wasnt a proven QB on the roster and we lacked play makers.

 

[dasher]

Give me a break, we were 11-17 in the BE and Randy and Shady owned his butt. Two of his 4 years we had one conference win. More importantly, the cupboard was bare when Shafer took over. Marrone's didn't leave the program in such great shape. He did a drive by and got out at his first chance.

like 1000x Want to know what he left us. Wilson and qb and Morris at rb

 

[baggerbob]

Doug also didnt get to coach in the ACC without a Nassib absent team

You left out Lemon, Sales, and Pugh who were along with Ryan our best players.

 

[alphaorange]

Ish wouldn't leave. No one leaves their draft eligible year to play a senior year in a new system, same with Erv.

Dungey, I am pretty sure, would be the first ever starting QB w/ no competition for a job to leave solely b/c of a coaching change (not to move up a level from FCS to FBS or anything like that).

Recruits are an entirely different ballgame.

But you don't know and you have not heard anything to support either side. Jek has. Whether or not you want to believe it could happen is another thing. After 15 years, I can ride out a couple more as long as things continue to improve...which they undeniably are.

 

[Willy75]

Give me a break, we were 11-17 in the BE and Randy and Shady owned his butt. Two of his 4 years we had one conference win. More importantly, the cupboard was bare when Shafer took over. Marrone's didn't leave the program in such great shape. He did a drive by and got out at his first chance.

Sure the cupboard was bare. Marrone only left behind an 1100 rusher in Jerome Smith, the MVP of the Pinstripe Bowl in PTG and a very competent offensive line. Marrone also went 2-2 against Rutgers and should have won the two games we lost.
I'll never respect the guy for the way he left, but facts are facts.