IN SHAFER I TRUST

[TheCusian]

This is getting tedious but the argument is/was that Marrone left the cupboard bare. He did not, and if (incorrectly) that argument still gets made Shafer has at least some responsility on the defensive side.

They should be held accountable for this year only. They should get credit for 2013 and 2014.

The truth is there are so many variables unless you are a p5 like Ohio State, FSU, LSU, etc you will see things cycle on both sides of the ball no matter who the coach is. Good coaches get bad breaks with injuries or a key player or two ruled ineligible or whatever.

 

[kcsu]

Year 3 and if this program isn't better than 4-8, I see no reason to keep blaming Marrone leaving for the struggle.

Who has been coaching the Marrone guys the last 3 years? Which coach decides to put McFarlane and Morris in the games? Again, this stuff is no longer on Doug Marrone, it's all on Scott Shafer.

Lets blame the big bologna until we get a brand new stadium. At that point we will have zero excuses left. Unless of course they put it in the wrong location and then we can blame that on him as well.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

And this is precisely why I wish that, speaking from the standpoint of a Shafer supporter, I wish that Coyle would come out and state that he's the coach and will remain the coach at least through next year.

I'd rather Coyle looked them all in the eye and ask if man to man they're all agreed that they want to do the best thing for the football program, and they're going to trust each other to do that.

 

[K Otto XLIV]

Dungey, Fredericks, Philips, and Ishmael are so much more talented than Hunt, McFarlane, Lewis, and Broyld it's not funny. The only guy in that group I want getting any touches is Lewis, as a possession receiver.

My point was that there was enough talent to go 5-7 against this schedule with only Marrone's players. I agreed the guys you listed are better which makes anything under 5-7 even less acceptable.

 

[orangeinjersey]

this thread is funny, everyone bashing FHCDM yet, when the rumors started swirling that he was taking the Bills/Eagles jobs this board went into meltdown mode, "What are we gonna do!!!".

A new guy is coaching his players, and they suddenly stink and FCHDM is now a nobody bumb. Current head coach gets no acountability.

 

[IthacaBarrel]

Shafer inherited a program in decent shape, he has taken that program backwards. Regardless of young talent, people can continue to back him which is fine but they also need to understand that he needs to win a couple of games here going in. Back to back 3 win seasons blows.. He didn't inherit a duke program like cutcliffe. Like I said, I am fine with him staying provided we finish with some respectability. 2 - 3 win seasons back to back is terrible and the recruiting isn't good enough to justify that. I see a few good skilled guys not much else. We are still 13/14 in the ACC recruiting wise.

I'm just saying is Coyle could easily can shafer at the end of the year at 4-8 and be justified

 

[Whitey23]

This is getting tedious but the argument is/was that Marrone left the cupboard bare. He did not, and if (incorrectly) that argument still gets made Shafer has at least some responsility on the defensive side.

How about all the responsibility on defense.

 

[alphaorange]

I'm a bit baffled by that as well. Marrone's the one who did the rebuild. SS took over a program that was back on its feet again and to temporarily maintain the status quo (smooth transition) before raising it.

Fools gold. He hit his ceiling, IMO. Recruiting had already leveled off and he had no QB going forward.

 

[Whitey23]

Fools gold. He hit his ceiling, IMO. Recruiting had already leveled off and he had no QB going forward.

Zach Allen was their chosen QB and set to enroll early, from what I remember.

Before someone points out that he's a WR now I'd just add that every QB at TCU would be starting for Cuse if enrolled.

 

[alphaorange]

By year 3 depth is the responsibility of the new coach not the old one. Here is what we should have this year from Marrone as starters:

QB Hunt, who was able to get us to a Bowl already
RB McFarlane, who was averaging over 6 ypc coming into this season
LT Foy
LG Robinson
C Emerich
RG Trudo
RT Palmer
TE Parris
WR Lewis
WR Broyld

That isn't a great team but it is good enough to push for a Bowl game if used properly.

LOL...not with those guys. I'm not going to cut individuals down but there is no offense there...You know better.

 

[Willy75]

Fools gold. He hit his ceiling, IMO. Recruiting had already leveled off and he had no QB going forward.

Whenever you stretch to try and bash Marrone, you do know you're indirectly bashing Shafer too since he was the DC right? But you're entitled to your opinion.

 

[alphaorange]

Zach Allen was their chosen QB and set to enroll early, from what I remember.

Before someone points out that he's a WR now I'd just add that every QB at TCU would be starting for Cuse if enrolled.

Last year, perhaps, but Dungey is likely the best Frosh QB in the country. He's 1st in the ACC in efficiency and that is not chopped liver.

 

[alphaorange]

Zach Allen was their chosen QB and set to enroll early, from what I remember.

Before someone points out that he's a WR now I'd just add that every QB at TCU would be starting for Cuse if enrolled.

That he was a very good HS QB doesn't mean he would have been that good here. Let's keep to facts.

 

[Whitey23]

Last year, perhaps, but Dungey is likely the best Frosh QB in the country. He's 1st in the ACC in efficiency and that is not chopped liver.

Dungey is not the best freshman QB in the country.

 

[Whitey23]

That he was a very good HS QB doesn't mean he would have been that good here. Let's keep to facts.

Yes, facts . You said Marrone had no QB going forward. He had Hunt on the roster and Allen enrolling early.

 

[alphaorange]

Whenever you stretch to try and bash Marrone, you do know you're indirectly bashing Shafer too since he was the DC right? But you're entitled to your opinion.

I'm not bashing DM at all. I liked him. But all this revisionist history about where the program was and where it was headed is crazy. He saved it and broke the drought, but it didn't appear sustainable under him to me.

 

[Millhouse]

For all these examples, can someone explain to me what Syracuse was rebuilding from when Shafer took over? A bowl game, a new league with more money, better facilities, no NCAA penalties in terms of scholarships. I'm fine with being patient, but you need to tell me how taking steps backwards is a good thing. Pitt has had a number of coaches and yet that lack of continuity hasn't kept them from bowl games, or finding good coaches. They lost two guys to better P5 jobs and are already bowl-eligible after losing their best offensive player.

yes. It's not like marrone was fired. Shafer shouldn't be treated the same as someone replacing someone bad enough to get fired

 

[alphaorange]

Dungey is not the best freshman QB in the country.

Who is better?

 

[alphaorange]

Yes, facts . You said Marrone had no QB going forward. He had Hunt on the roster and Allen enrolling early.

Hunt is...well Hunt. Not to bash him but he is not a high level QB. He is/was a terrific runner and a very mediocre/inconsistent passer. Zach Allen cannot be used to support either side of this argument and you know it. You are assuming facts not in evidence.

 

[Whitey23]

Who is better?

Josh Rosen and Tanner Magnum to name 2 off the top of my head.

 

[Whitey23]

Hunt is...well Hunt. Not to bash him but he is not a high level QB. He is/was a terrific runner and a very mediocre/inconsistent passer. Zach Allen cannot be used to support either side of this argument and you know it. You are assuming facts not in evidence.

U said "he had no QB going forward". That's not a fact.

He had the same plan Shafer had going into this season Hunt or a true freshman.

 

[MadNY3]

How about HCSS gets extended through the time it takes to rebuild the Dome ? It wouldn't be fair for a new coach to have to deal with all the issues that entails and be expected to build a program. If HCSS does well leading the team through that , he's here for a while , if not , you have a stable program with a new stadium to entice a big time coach with.

A 4-5 year extension because of the rebuild of the Dome?

Goodness no.

 

[PAcuse]

Josh Rosen and Tanner Magnum to name 2 off the top of my head.

http://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fbs/current/individual/8
Top rated Freshman and #12 overall this year is Mr. Dungey, not those guys. Magnum is 43 and Rosen is 48.

 

[Whitey23]

http://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fbs/current/individual/8
Top rated Freshman and #12 overall this year is Mr. Dungey, not those guys. Magnum is 43 and Rosen is 48.

Since when does efficiency= the best? There isn't a coach in the country who would take Dungey over Rosen.

 

[TheCusian]

this thread is funny, everyone bashing FHCDM yet, when the rumors started swirling that he was taking the Bills/Eagles jobs this board went into meltdown mode, "What are we gonna do!!!". A new guy is coaching his players, and they suddenly stink and FCHDM is now a nobody bumb. Current head coach gets no acountability.

Those two things are not mutually exclusive. I thought he had something going after a mediocre first 3, with 2012. But I thought it was primarily driven by Nassib/Lemon/Oline with Hackett's system.

Maybe he looked at the roster knew he needed more talent and an IPF to be competitive in the ACC. Hated Gross and cashed in his chip?