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IN SHAFER I TRUST

A 4-5 year extension because of the rebuild of the Dome?

Goodness no.
3 years. Do you think a big name coach will want to put his career on the line while playing 2-3 seasons of no home games? Of course all the fans and alumni of Syracuse are going to give him a pass during that time , not.
 
I dont want to keep a coach who will continue to lose. If he losses next year, adios but firing him this year is pre mature. If players can get better, dont you think coaches can? Do you think the great coaches in the game now got better and learn from previous mistakes ?
I respect your opinion because you never sugarcoat or put anyone down and your obviously a HS coach. I just think SS hit the lottery when he got the SU FB job as Dr. Gross thought he was keeping the program on the same course. I think we have clearly taken steps back closer to pre-2009 under his watch in the coaching department. SS has brought in talent but I don't have faith this coach will ever been anything more than mediocre.

I realize he is likely getting another year but it just kills me because we will be frustrated again IMO and people will still make excuses.
 
CousCuse said:
3 years. Do you think a big name coach will want to put his career on the line while playing 2-3 seasons of no home games? Of course all the fans and alumni of Syracuse are going to give him a pass during that time , not.

We're not going to have any home games?

News to me.
 
Serious question: Is there anything SS has done to give you an indication he is improving? I'm in total agreement that its possible to improve but I'm looking for a sign here, something to hang my hat on that says the program is going in the right direction. One more year is legit given the youth of our program but we need something to give us hope we are getting better, and not just treading water here.
I see effort on the field. Those players play their ass off for him. They love Shafer. They just have come up short the last two games. I see young players just trying to figure how to close games out. I dont hear anything negative about him from players. I dont see players calling him out on social media like other schools. I dont see regression. I see a coach trying to build a program that can be ACC ready for a long time not just for 1 or 2 years. He's been coaching kids with Big East abilty. Its evident because of the amount of freshmans and sophomores who have passed upperclassmen on the depth chart. The one area where its hard to pass people is the O line. Thats the only reason why Robinson, Trudo and Palmer are still on the field. We dont have the players or the depth to consistently win right now. Thats what I see.
 
CousCuse said:
Not if the Dome is under demolition/reconstruction.

I've heard that the construction will occur over 3-4 years and won't interfere with events at the Dome.
 
I respect your opinion because you never sugarcoat or put anyone down and your obviously a HS coach. I just think SS hit the lottery when he got the SU FB job as Dr. Gross thought he was keeping the program on the same course. I think we have clearly taken steps back closer to pre-2009 under his watch in the coaching department. SS has brought in talent but I don't have faith this coach will ever been anything more than mediocre.

I realize he is likely getting another year but it just kills me because we will be frustrated again IMO and people will still make excuses.
I feel you man. Just have faith and belief. We have to be patient. Next year will tell us alot.
 
I see effort on the field. Those players play their ass off for him. They love Shafer. They just have come up short the last two games. I see young players just trying to figure how to close games out. I dont hear anything negative about him from players. I dont see players calling him out on social media like other schools. I dont see regression. I see a coach trying to build a program that can be ACC ready for a long time not just for 1 or 2 years. He's been coaching kids with Big East abilty. Its evident because of the amount of freshmans and sophomores who have passed upperclassmen on the depth chart. The one area where its hard to pass people is the O line. Thats the only reason why Robinson, Trudo and Palmer are still on the field. We dont have the players or the depth to consistently win right now. Thats what I see.
Fair points. I'd like to see an infusion of talent beyond what we have seen so far. I still feel like we are bottom of the pack compared to our peers in the ACC in that department despite the step up since the jump from the B.E. This is year three, and next year will be the turning point one way or the other for SS
 
Alsacs said:
SS is never going to out-coach teams. That is why we always say our margin for error is so slim. I think he is a good man but we are getting what we are paying for. A program that will beat MAC/FCS teams, beat lower P5 teams i.e. Wake, and then lose to peer programs and more talented programs. We bleeping had a bye week before the USF week and look at how the team performed in the first half of that game. Keeping SS is basically saying we are waiting for SS's version of the DM 2012. I don't want to wait for 1 good year. I want a coach that can coach up a 4 win team to 6 wins or 5 wins into 7 etc. We aren't going to be that under SS.

So you were for firing Marrone after 3?
 
Fair points. I'd like to see an infusion of talent beyond what we have seen so far. I still feel like we are bottom of the pack compared to our peers in the ACC in that department despite the step up since the jump from the B.E. This is year three, and next year will be the turning point one way or the other for SS
I agree.
 
I feel you man. Just have faith and belief. We have to be patient. Next year will tell us alot.

Money, 2 questions - What do you think about this year's recruiting class so far? I love where we are heading into 2017 (though that could change if some recruits become disenchanted) but feel the class of 2016 is a step back from the last two classes.

Do you think the staff handled Broyld correctly? I know some here scoff at this, but I saw him as a true thoroughbred. To me, if Marrone, then Shafer, just started and kept him at WR and used him like a Sanu, he could have been a difference maker. People can say what they want about alligator arms and drops, but he is the only receive since Lemon (and Sales against weaker teams) who could consistently get separation.
 
So you were for firing Marrone after 3?
Seriously stop embrassing yourself. I am dead serious. Do not come with this stuff to me I don't want to get banned.

Greg Robinson went 10-37 in 4 years.
After 3 years Doug Marrone was 17-20.
 
Statesman1 said:
Serious question: Is there anything SS has done to give you an indication he is improving? I'm in total agreement that its possible to improve but I'm looking for a sign here, something to hang my hat on that says the program is going in the right direction. One more year is legit given the youth of our program but we need something to give us hope we are getting better, and not just treading water here.

This whole season? Close loss vs a top 25 team? A competent offense to go with proven defensive coaches? A great recruiting class that makes an immediate impact in the trajectory of our teams fortunes?

Maybe some need to see a win vs FSU or Clemson - but I'll take the current trajectory this season as proof we can get there under Shafer.
 
Alsacs said:
I respect your opinion because you never sugarcoat or put anyone down and your obviously a HS coach. I just think SS hit the lottery when he got the SU FB job as Dr. Gross thought he was keeping the program on the same course. I think we have clearly taken steps back closer to pre-2009 under his watch in the coaching department. SS has brought in talent but I don't have faith this coach will ever been anything more than mediocre. I realize he is likely getting another year but it just kills me because we will be frustrated again IMO and people will still make excuses.

Pre-2012.
 
but feel the class of 2016 is a step back from the last two classes.
I'm pretty surprised by this statement. We don't have the overall numbers since we have such a small class, but this is a very solid class. It's every bit as good as the last two. 2 4 7 actually ranks it ahead of each of the last two classes in terms of average overall rating (.8308 this year, .8186 for 2015, .8273 for 2014). That's not mentioning the fact we have several 3-4 star level guys still very interested in us (Bo Peek, Kentrail Moran, Tyrek Tisdale, Amir Watts, Cycoby Burch, Jonathan Jones, Tony Butler for starters).
 
Money, 2 questions - What do you think about this year's recruiting class so far? I love where we are heading into 2017 (though that could change if some recruits become disenchanted) but feel the class of 2016 is a step back from the last two classes.

Do you think the staff handled Broyld correctly? I know some here scoff at this, but I saw him as a true thoroughbred. To me, if Marrone, then Shafer, just started and kept him at WR and used him like a Sanu, he could have been a difference maker. People can say what they want about alligator arms and drops, but he is the only receive since Lemon (and Sales against weaker teams) who could consistently get separation.
I like the class. Its gonna be a small class but we are getting players that fit our system. Dont really care for Stubbs and Harper. I think they are reaches. Not in love with Brouse but I see the potential pay off with him. I Thought we could have gotten higher rated players at those positions. Palmer looks solid but we can do better if he's gonna be the only WR in this class. Other than that its a solid class and I dont consider it a step back. Broyld is tough for me because of my history with him. Ive mentored him since he was 12. I dont like to publically talk about him but lets just say he didnt make the most of his potential.
 
I like the class. Its gonna be a small class but we are getting players that fit our system. Dont really care for Stubbs and Harper. I think they are reaches. Not in love with Brouse but I see the potential pay off with him. I Thought we could have gotten higher rated players at those positions. Palmer looks solid but we can do better if he's gonna be the only WR in this class. Other than that its a solid class and I dont consider it a step back. Broyld is tough for me because of my history with him. Ive mentored him since he was 12. I dont like to publically talk about him but lets just say he didnt make the most of his potential.
I think Palmer has the chance to surprise people. He's a lot more agile than I originally thought after watching some of his clips from this season. I think anyone who's paid attention knows I'd have greatly preferred getting Donald Stewart if we were only taking one WR, but I like Palmer. I liked Harper as an Okie/safety, but he's awfully small for a LB. We'll see. Stubbs is another guy we'll have to wait and see on. Very solid athlete, just need to see how he fits and adapts to the next level.
 
I think Palmer has the chance to surprise people. He's a lot more agile than I originally thought after watching some of his clips from this season. I think anyone who's paid attention knows I'd have greatly preferred getting Donald Stewart if we were only taking one WR, but I like Palmer. I liked Harper as an Okie/safety, but he's awfully small for a LB. We'll see. Stubbs is another guy we'll have to wait and see on. Very solid athlete, just need to see how he fits and adapts to the next level.
I think he has some ability too. 2017 should be a bigger year for WR. We just have to keep these recruits believing. If they just see the youth movement and not look at this years results as a indication of where the program is going.
 
I've heard that the construction will occur over 3-4 years and won't interfere with events at the Dome.

You and your "facts" to counter an argument. ;)
 
I think he has some ability too. 2017 should be a bigger year for WR. We just have to keep these recruits believing. If they just see the youth movement and not look at this years results as a indication of where the program is going.
Absolutely. Daewood Davis is the perfect prescription right now: 6-3 or 6-4, and lightning fast. He needs to bulk up but he's a true deep ball/home run threat. And Anthony White is still extremely high on SU.

I'm guessing Juwan Burgess picks Clemson, unfortunately, but you never know. I'd be very happy if we ended up with Daewood Davis and Anthony White, and then toss in the kid from CBA and that's a very nice haul. I love Anthony White's highlights. Kid's got tremendous ability.
 
I'm pretty surprised by this statement. We don't have the overall numbers since we have such a small class, but this is a very solid class. It's every bit as good as the last two. 2 4 7 actually ranks it ahead of each of the last two classes in terms of average overall rating (.8308 this year, .8186 for 2015, .8273 for 2014). That's not mentioning the fact we have several 3-4 star level guys still very interested in us (Bo Peek, Kentrail Moran, Tyrek Tisdale, Amir Watts, Cycoby Burch, Jonathan Jones, Tony Butler for starters).

I don't follow it as closely as you, but here is where I am:

I like both QB recruits a lot. I think they are both playmakers, and that appears essential in Lester's system and I just dont see Dungey as a 12-game per season guy. Also, they are both reportedly very intelligent kids who have in common father's who were former D-1 football players (NFL in Rex's case) who became attorneys.

I think Moe Neal is a great get. I like that we are stacking playmakers at HB (Strickland was my favorite recruit from last class).

It's too early to tell with the Camden kids. If i had to guess, they are years away from seeing the field, so time will tell. Both seem like good kids and I like that Parker was essentially picked over a "higher ranked" recruit. Holloway is kind of in the Donnie Simmons mold and will need years of strength and conditioning before he can make an impact. I am sure i shared this - After the 2010 Pinstripe Bowl, I had a conversation with Simmons while waiting to catch the Metro North train. I loved his film out of Stepinac, but was amazed how slight he was. I was a recruited baseball player coming out of high school and I can safely say that I was "bigger" than he was as a high school senior.

I like Palmer and Riggins measurables.

I'm concerned about o-line. All have good frames but they are all lacking meaningful offers (though I suppose that could change), which concerns me. I dont care much for where the recruiting sites rank kids, but I do think offers is a pretty good indicator of ability. For example, Brouse comes from a pretty prominent hs program in eastern pa, yet didnt garner an offer from PSU, Rutgers, Pitt, Temple, UCONN, BC, Army, etc. All those programs thoroughly recruit that area. Heckel has a few P5 offers but not really from the programs I would note as being strong on the o line. DeGeorge also lacks offers. I will say that all three have IVY and Patriot offers, and Heckel has NW. They are clearly bright, and I think aptitude is can benefit player development most on the o-line.

As for the rest, I am concerned that they are undersized and lacking P5 offers.

With all classes, time will tell.
 
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This whole season? Close loss vs a top 25 team? A competent offense to go with proven defensive coaches? A great recruiting class that makes an immediate impact in the trajectory of our teams fortunes?

Maybe some need to see a win vs FSU or Clemson - but I'll take the current trajectory this season as proof we can get there under Shafer.
Current trajectory? How many games in a row do we have to lose for you to wake up?
 
Current trajectory? How many games in a row do we have to lose for you to wake up?
He is too busy trying to tell me Doug Marrone after 3 years hadn't brought us upward from Greg Robinson and thus this fanbase against SS wanted Marrone gone when we won 7 more games under DM than Gerg won in 1 more year as HC.

Marrone had the program win total going up. While this coach should be given more time when we have gone backwards.
 
Again fellas, Im not judging Shafer for 2014. The ridiculous amount of injuries and the lack of ACC depth behind them. So he gets a pass from me that year. Im judging 2013 and 2015. 2016 is the year he makes or breaks me. I think thats a fair amount of time to show results and get better as a game day coach.
 
Alsacs said:
He is too busy trying to tell me Doug Marrone after 3 years hadn't brought us upward from Greg Robinson and thus this fanbase against SS wanted Marrone gone when we won 7 more games under DM than Gerg won in 1 more year as HC. Marrone had the program win total going up. While this coach should be given more time when we have gone backwards.

I said nothing of the sort.
 

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