Ineligible Receiver Downfield

[Toga]

Babers said it was an RPO play and Dungey held it to long for what it's worth. Blamed himself for calling that play.

The anti-Edsall

 

[Toga]

an undisciplined P&D team getting a celebration penalty after making an epic comeback in the Dome vs. Oklahoma in 1994. Sooners took the extra yards and promptly kicked the game winning FG.

Thanks for triggering me.

 

[Crusty]

Thank You! Thank You! Thank You!

It's a pleasure to hear from someone who actually watched the replay and saw what happened!

Doesn't matter even if he was blocking. The whole point of the rule is to prevent ineligible receivers from blocking downfield until a pass crosses the neutral zone.

 

[SWC75]

Meh. Does it matter that "most of the country" was behind Notre Dame? They were given that game against the rules that existed at that point.

And that was the issue.

 

[SWC75]

I think they're more for identification for the refs. Certainly players use them presnap. After the snap, things happen too fast for defenders to identify numbers of multiple opponents while watching the qb and dissect the play. I'm curious, how long has it been since you played sports?

Gym class. Bur I've watched it since the early 60's.

 

[SWC75]

In fairly officiated contests of any kind, it is an unwritten rule to
"swallow the whistle" on all but very egregious infractions late in the contest. The idea is to let the players decide the outcome and not them. It is obvious this wasn't their intention in this game.

We were certainly screwed on the spots.

 

[SUbear]

Doesn't matter even if he was blocking. The whole point of the rule is to prevent ineligible receivers from blocking downfield until a pass crosses the neutral zone.

All of this does not matter, there is absolutely no reason for a lineman to go downfield on a called pass play until after the ball is thrown. Conway screwed up, too bad, but it happens. That play was not an designed RPO, and even if it were it is the linemans responsibily to maintain discipline and not go downfield until after the play fully developes. Conway screwed up. It happens.
It was the correct call whether the refs were loking for it or not.

 

[Millhouse]

ref cant see both which is why its supposed to be called ig obvious not marginal.

He was looking for it

 

[Townie72]

Doesn't matter even if he was blocking. The whole point of the rule is to prevent ineligible receivers from blocking downfield until a pass crosses the neutral zone.

I understand that.

But some of the posters have miscategorized what happened or never saw it or paid any attention to it and are suggesting that this was a stupid mistake. One poster said that he "wandered" downfield. It was, instead, an effort-related thing.

Do I wish he had been more careful? Sure.

Was he guilty? Yup.

But it happened because he was giving a good effort.

 

[upperdeck]

but why run RPO more than 3 yds down field if that type of pass may happen at all on a 4th down play.. he wasnt really blocking anyone so no reason to really wonder.

 

[RandomGuy]

Martin, Servais, and Adams(I think), have all been called on it, this year. If the call is for a run block, in the RPO, it's also dependant on the QB to have a quick read, and release, should he read pass. A penalty is an occasional, unintended byproduct, of the play call. The fact that the NFL only allows 1 yard down field, should tell you that a 3 yard buffer, is a distinct advantage in the college game. That's why we run it, and will continue to.

 

[kuethstheman]

Isn't that what the numbers are for?

No. The numbers don't matter. Tackles can be eligible.

 

[SmilinBob]

I'll never forget when SU was playing Cincy and Kelly was the coach and they were undefeated. They were kicking a FG and the holder (QB) bobbled the snap and scrambled and threw a TD from the 15 or 20/25 or so in the end zone. The funny thing was an OL was literally next to the guy that caught the ball blocking. Never forget that.

 

[bcubs9497]

I thought the more questionable call was the one where we had an offensive lineman called for a personal foul in the 4th Q for what the announcers thought was hands to the face.

Totally agree. I've seen SO much worse than that which was never flagged. For example, this:

 

[Finwad32]

Conway didn't do anything he wasn't coached to fwiw... His responsibility was to climb to second level. If he had stayed engaged with the LB, the flag would've never come out.

That's why RPO's are effective, if the box is reading run and you pull your key into the play fake, you dump it. If they're disciplined, you hand off. Conway will block the same regardless.

Turning back to the l.o.s. To see how the play's developing is a no/no from a coaching perspective though.

It is what it is, it got called. I have this argument all the time with players, "coach, it's not a hold/punch (whatever)." Well, yes, yes it is because there's a flag on the field.

We had two blatant NON-QB roughing's last week that were called in game. We submitted the film and received an apology on both, it happens.

 

[SmilinBob]

My question is...they just needed a yard, why go out at all? SU just needed Hackett to catch the ball and the chains move. Not blaming Conway just don't understand why in that particular situation the need for a blocker at the next level. The first down was the most important thing needed, not a bunch of extra yards.

 

[RandomGuy]

Because you run the play that gives you the best chance to get the 1st down. That's what they did. If that means keying on Conway, you run the play . If the TE hadn't been held up, or ED had been able to release a tad earlier? We'd be praising the play.

 

[RandomGuy]

1st 3 games, the Oline was almost exclusively in zone. It seemed like in UConn, they used some Man/power techniques for drive in the run game. It resulted in a few ineligible calls. I prefer that wrinkle, to keep the def guessing, or just straight up over power them. In the long run, I think it makes us more effective.

 

[cuse10]

My question is...they just needed a yard, why go out at all? SU just needed Hackett to catch the ball and the chains move. Not blaming Conway just don't understand why in that particular situation the need for a blocker at the next level. The first down was the most important thing needed, not a bunch of extra yards.

The play worked. They were down to Clemson's 30 after the catch. It just happened to get called back. Would you run it on 4th and 1 against that D line and LBs stacking the box? Under center, the play gets blown up.

 

[SWC75]

No. The numbers don't matter. Tackles can be eligible.

Know Your Annoying Penalties: Ineligible Man Downfield

"If you remember from yesterday's illegal formation post, anyone numbered between 50 and 79 on offense is always ineligible as a receiver. This is true for offensive linemen and for fun times when you like up a defensive linemen as a blocker like Alabama did with Terrence Cody last year. That means that college football teams can't run "tackle eligible" plays like NFL teams can."

 

[SmilinBob]

The play worked. They were down to Clemson's 30 after the catch. It just happened to get called back. Would you run it on 4th and 1 against that D line and LBs stacking the box? Under center, the play gets blown up.

My question is why even would Conway even be close to going that far, not that they should not have ran the play.

 

[PhatOrange]

I haven't been able to find any video of the play. Has anybody else ?

 

[cuse10]

I haven't been able to find any video of the play. Has anybody else ?

I posted it on page 2.

 

[Cheriehoop]

My question is why even would Conway even be close to going that far, not that they should not have ran the play.

It appeared to me that he engaged the LB very quickly but the LB slipped away to the outside and Conway's momentum from the block attempt took him upfield. inside the linebacker. I think it was that same linebacker who ended up getting the tackle after he stopped realizing it wasn't a run, turned back upfield to make the tackle.

 

[SmilinBob]

It appeared to me that he engaged the LB very quickly but the LB slipped away to the outside and Conway's momentum from the block attempt took him upfield. inside the linebacker. I think it was that same linebacker who ended up getting the tackle after he stopped realizing it wasn't a run, turned back upfield to make the tackle.

He has to be disciplined enough to realize how far to go...tough I know and he's playing hard but this has to be executed correctly.