Is .500 in serious jeopardy?

[RF2044]

Yeah, those three I'm not particularly concerned with, but Jesse is only reason this team next season would be interesting.

It's scary to think that outside of Jesse, next year's team could be even WORSE than this year's squad.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

We have no idea if the free transfer without sitting out real will still be in effect or if last year was a one off.

As of now it's the policy that transfers are immediately eligible. They would have to change the policy.

 

[Orangezoo]

Could definitely finish under .500. Of course, we can still win games if our shooters make shots and the opposition has an off night. Not sure we can count on that happening 9-10 times, but its not impossible.

Yeah.. last night we shot 50 pct overall, made 17 threes making 53 pct, outrebounded Miami by 3, blocked 8 shots and yet we lost. 19 to 10 in turnovers being the biggest statistic but still. These are the kind of stats that should mean this team beats anyone and yet they couldn't.

 

[AZOrange]

It's scary to think that outside of Jesse, next year's team could be even WORSE than this year's squad.

Yeah maybe or maybe not. If Buddy goes then 2 logjams are relieved. That helps. Allows Joe to go to his natural position.

 

[Scooch]

Yeah.. last night we shot 50 pct overall, made 17 threes making 53 pct, outrebounded Miami by 3, blocked 8 shots and yet we lost. 19 to 10 in turnovers being the biggest statistic but still. These are the kind of stats that should mean this team beats anyone and yet they couldn't.

That's what concerns me. Earlier in the season I was tracking our FG% and wins, and noting where the level was. Seemed like we needed to shoot 52-53% in order to make up for our defensive and rebounding deficiencies and still win. It's a very bad sign that we shot 53% last night and lost.

 

[AZOrange]

As of now it's the policy that transfers are immediately eligible. They would have to change the policy.

Yep

 

[AZOrange]

Yeah.. last night we shot 50 pct overall, made 17 threes making 53 pct, outrebounded Miami by 3, blocked 8 shots and yet we lost. 19 to 10 in turnovers being the biggest statistic but still. These are the kind of stats that should mean this team beats anyone and yet they couldn't.

Yeah not sure we can play better

 

[Alsacs]

I don’t the NBA is his ultimate landing spot. I haven’t seen him hit a shot over 15 feet.

Clint Capella, Gobert, Deandre Jordan, Robert Williams.
Plenty of bigs can’t shoot and are good.
Edwards doesn’t need to shoot to
Play in the NBA. He needs more weight to physically be able to hold up.

 

[cusefan88]

Wake Forest is pretty good this year.

 

[Sherman20]

Wake is a decent team this season. I'm looking at BCx2, Pittx2, and NC State.

But NC State is probably a push.

Watching Packer and Durham, and they’re talking about how fluid and unpredictable the ACC is this season, how anybody can beat anybody else on a given night. We had a legit chance to win both the Virginia and Miami games, and both are in the top 4 of the league standings. We will win some games in the ACC this season that will surprise people. I still think we struggle to finish above .500. But I don’t think you can count out JB completely to find some answers. I guess that’s the hope.

We got punched in the mouth last night in the 2nd half and didn’t respond in kind. Our play in the first 7 minutes of the second half was atrocious.

 

[RF2044]

Yeah maybe or maybe not. If Buddy goes then 2 logjams are relieved. That helps. Allows Joe to go to his natural position.

Sure, but I'd consider Joe a pretty significant downgrade from Buddy.

Difficult to get very excited about a Symir / Joe backcourt.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Clint Capella, Gobert, Deandre Jordan, Robert Williams.
Plenty of bigs can’t shoot and are good.
Edwards doesn’t need to shoot to
Play in the NBA. He needs more weight to physically be able to hold up.

Yeah, and those guys when it comes to how they score it's mostly on the roll.

Jesse has a lot more interior scoring potential than that.

 

[NKR1978]

I haven't truly been nervous this late in the year ever before. To be direct, it is in jeopardy and I'd be surprised if we made it.

All good things...

 

[Scooch]

We got punched in the mouth last night in the 2nd half and didn’t respond in kind.

We have a team of easy-to-coach kids, by design. It makes life easier for JB, which I'm sure he wanted.

We don't have a single player on the team with an edge or who plays with a chip on his shoulder. It's a problem.

 

[AZOrange]

Sure, but I'd consider Joe a pretty significant downgrade from Buddy.

Difficult to get very excited about a Symir / Joe backcourt.

It’s not ideal but Joe is as good all around as Buddy and probably a better shooter off the ball. The numbers bear it out. And I think the SY/Joe combo is better than Joe/Buddy

 

[orangecuse]

'I don't look at the record, whether 14-0 or 7-7, that's true. All you people and all you internet people, the only thing that matters is the next game.'

 

[AZOrange]

Yeah, and those guys when it comes to how they score it's mostly on the roll.

Jesse has a lot more interior scoring potential than that.

That’s like 4 guys out of 80. Most bigs can shoot now. And Jordan is horrific. He can’t even get off the bench in LA.

 

[Eric15]

I posted a couple weeks ago that I thought we may carve out an 18-14 type season because history as shown us that JB's teams are never truly bad, but it's really feeling like this could be at or below .500.

 

[crv1728]

Man, its hard to tell. BC lost to Albany but beat ND. Pitt has played a bunch of teams really close lately. Wake does look good, as does Clemson. No way we come close to Duke this year (I hope I am forced to eat those words, but doubt it). UNC looks better than us, Going to VaTech and ND will be tough. It just doesn't look good for keeping the streak alive. I would guess 13-17 to 15-15 range. Of course I am hoping for better.

 

[stlorange]

Who cares about the streak. I don't think it officially exists anyway due to the vacated wins. Forget about the streak, we should be worried that we are truly a mediocre program (and have been for awhile). The NCAA tourney wins were fools gold. Many many schools have passed us by--including our so-called peer schools. That's what we should be worried about.

 

[RF2044]

It’s not ideal but Joe is as good all around as Buddy and probably a better shooter off the ball. The numbers bear it out. And I think the SY/Joe combo is better than Joe/Buddy

That's debatable, because I don't believe that Symir is starting caliber -- and that the advantages he brings to the table [better ball handling and athleticism] are offset by his glaring offensive limitations in virtually every other respect. Plus, it would be a massive downgrade in terms of combined backcourt scoring.

And it depends on what you mean as "good" with respect to Joe vs. Buddy. I agree that Joe has more versatility, as a combo guard who can chip in as a supplementary ball handler / play maker. Buddy can't do those things. But Buddy -- who is a minus defender himself -- is 6+ inches taller than Joe, and he's proven that he can carry the team offensively. Joe has had some hot games, but he's never been the focal point of the offense that defenses are geared to stop.

Interesting thing is, I think that a Joe off-the-ball situation could be successful, if he were paired with the right backcourt partner. Perfect example [although the ship has sailed] -- Kadary. Kadary would provide the "bigger" guard for the zone, and also alleviate much of the ball handling pressure that gives Joe trouble. In a complimentary capacity, you could make the argument that Joe might even become a MORE effective playmaker as a secondary ball handler / distributor.

But Symir and Joe? Too small for the zone, not enough combined scoring pop.

 

[CuseFaninVT]

Shot mechanics are there- I think he could get there but it's a comple more developmental years away.

Yeah, I'm with you. There a ton of bigs in the NBA right now that never attempted a 3 in college, yet hit them with regularity now.

 

[CuseFaninVT]

Watching Packer and Durham, and they’re talking about how fluid and unpredictable the ACC is this season, how anybody can beat anybody else on a given night. We had a legit chance to win both the Virginia and Miami games, and both are in the top 4 of the league standings. We will win some games in the ACC this season that will surprise people. I still think we struggle to finish above .500. But I don’t think you can count out JB completely to find some answers. I guess that’s the hope.

We got punched in the mouth last night in the 2nd half and didn’t respond in kind. Our play in the first 7 minutes of the second half was atrocious.

It was the coaching in the same spread in the second half that really lost us the game.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

That’s like 4 guys out of 80. Most bigs can shoot now. And Jordan is horrific. He can’t even get off the bench in LA.

I think alsacs point was that plus defensive bigs don't have to be shooters to still have value in the NBA, so the assessment would then be whether Jesse has that potential as a rim defender in the NBA.

I think he might.

Plus Jordan can't get off the bench partly because he's old and not the impact guy he had been. But the dude has logged plenty of minutes in his career.

 

[UD1954]

I can’t even believe we are having the discussion but as I look at the remaining schedule I only see 5 realistic “should be” wins. Pittx2, wake x2 and BC.

This is shaping up terribly

Oh hell ya....oh for January is a real possibility with a defense like this