Is .500 in serious jeopardy?

[dollarbill44]

Didn't Wake just beat up on FSU? They're pretty solid.

Yeah, but how good is FSU? I mean, we beat them.

 

[DilemaCuse]

I think there's a difference between divas and edge. I didn't consider Flynn a diva, but he sure as hell played with a chip. Maybe I'm splitting hairs. But there wasn't a single kid on the floor last night who started playing with an "screw that" attitude once Miami started whomping us in the 2nd half.

Once upon a time JB was the best coach in the country at getting the best out of "problem" kids. Now he clearly doesn't want anyone who is a challenge at all. I guess that could work if we had a team of great players and largely nice guys -- the 2010 team comes to mind as being in that model. But without the former, the latter doesn't cut it.

Exactly he doesnt have the energy at this point to put into dealing with the Flynns and Waiters. But those guys can get you wins.

Someone tried criticizing me when early in the year I said, JB is not committed to winning at the highest level anymore. They referenced the winning seasons streak. Now we are all seeing it is true.

 

[orangecuse]

Yes...w/ 2 caveats.
(1) Season just started, and still have chances to turn things around.
(2) When "turn things around" is equal to reaching .500, then absolutely...we're in deep isht.

Also, let it be said that what I'm witnessing this year has me well past the point of caring about the .500 record. This team is troubling in so many ways- from how it was constructed, to how they're being coached.
As others have mentioned, the signs were all there for a number of years now, and count me in as one of the "Suzie Sunshine" crew, for hanging on to the Sweet 16/Final 4 runs as Band-Aids, and willfully ignoring the impending rot that is now beginning to manifest.
I don't apologize for being a loyal fan, but I'm aware that eventually all truth comes to light. Truth is we're in serious trouble, this year, next year, and moving forward.
Hopefully it won't take a massive upheaval to right this ship. Bball is the crown jewel of SU Athletics- it has to be preserved.

SUperb post! Kudos to you! The truth will set you free!

Perhaps, your post may influence many others here still stuck in the denial phase.

 

[AZOrange]

I don’t think you’re familiar with the ACC this season and how mediocre it is across the board. Nobody is really good outside of Duke. Also, Wake could be a middle of the pack team or better. Their KenPom numbers are decent. I don’t see us beating Wake both times, but we’re also not going to lose ALL our other games besides BC and Pitt.

I’m familiar. Maybe we are the absolute worst, I don’t know.

 

[Chip]

I haven't truly been nervous this late in the year ever before. To be direct, it is in jeopardy and I'd be surprised if we made it.

I applaud your fandom (seriously) for having the ability to be nervous about this.

I've hit my apathetic peak with this season. As Miami was coming back and their crowd was roaring last night, I thought man this would usually have me really fired up. I wasn't. At all. I think I was even laughing about it a little.

It's just not nearly as fun or interesting as it used to be. Watching feels like obligation. It's like my own little hostage crisis.

 

[Orangezoo]

I applaud your fandom (seriously) for having the ability to be nervous about this.

I've hit my apathetic peak with this season. As Miami was coming back and their crowd was roaring last night, I thought man this would usually have me really fired up. I wasn't. At all. I think I was even laughing about it a little.

It's just not nearly as fun or interesting as it used to be. Watching feels like obligation. It's like my own little hostage crisis.

Just gonna say ditto. Lol on the hostage crisis and then yeah I feel that.

 

[MSOrange]

I applaud your fandom (seriously) for having the ability to be nervous about this.

I've hit my apathetic peak with this season. As Miami was coming back and their crowd was roaring last night, I thought man this would usually have me really fired up. I wasn't. At all. I think I was even laughing about it a little.

It's just not nearly as fun or interesting as it used to be. Watching feels like obligation. It's like my own little hostage crisis.

Agree with your thoughts. "Nervous" was not the right term at all, because I have the same feeling watching games. I still plan to watch them all, but there isn't that excited feeling that I usually have on game days,

"Skeptical" that we will have an above 500 record is probably closer to what I was trying to convey.

 

[FRANKIEFAN]

We aren't that bad and we have been in every game. That is the frustrating thing that this team could be very good. Even with the guys we have on the roster.

We haven't tried any options that involve Buddy and Jimmy in different roles but I am pretty sure have exhausted all other ones.

Last night would have been the one to play Torrence at PG and move Buddy to the 3. It was also the only game I thought Williams looked good and was a net positive and he went back to the bench as quick as possible.

 

[Scooch]

I applaud your fandom (seriously) for having the ability to be nervous about this.

I've hit my apathetic peak with this season. As Miami was coming back and their crowd was roaring last night, I thought man this would usually have me really fired up. I wasn't. At all. I think I was even laughing about it a little.

It's just not nearly as fun or interesting as it used to be. Watching feels like obligation. It's like my own little hostage crisis.

Bingo. I felt completely detached watching the 2nd half last night. I was hoping we'd stop the bleeding and win, but also felt that if we didn't I wouldn't really care. We're not competing for a title, or even for the upper third of the conference. We're just... there. It's hard to whip up any excitement.

 

[Red Holzman]

Maybe it's good if JB clears the slate of his "streaks".
Colgate win streak is history with the infamous "100".
Now consecutive seasons > .500 may be next.
Just burn it all down and get it over with.
Then next HC can build from the ashes without concern about streaks, etc.
IDK -just crazy talk but just ready to get this ride over and switch trains.

 

[AZOrange]

Agree with your thoughts. "Nervous" was not the right term at all, because I have the same feeling watching games. I still plan to watch them all, but there isn't that excited feeling that I usually have on game days,

"Skeptical" that we will have an above 500 record is probably closer to what I was trying to convey.

The other prevalent feeling I kept having was “it’s over” when we were down like 4 with 3 min left. It was weird. Like resigned to our fate.

 

[AZOrange]

We aren't that bad and we have been in every game. That is the frustrating thing that this team could be very good. Even with the guys we have on the roster.

We haven't tried any options that involve Buddy and Jimmy in different roles but I am pretty sure have exhausted all other ones.

Last night would have been the one to play Torrence at PG and move Buddy to the 3. It was also the only game I thought Williams looked good and was a net positive and he went back to the bench as quick as possible.

They ran Buddy at the 3 for about 2 min. I think we scored 6 quick points and JB immediately switched back to starters

 

[baggerbob]

I think there's a difference between divas and edge. I didn't consider Flynn a diva, but he sure as hell played with a chip. Maybe I'm splitting hairs. But there wasn't a single kid on the floor last night who started playing with an "screw that" attitude once Miami started whomping us in the 2nd half.

Once upon a time JB was the best coach in the country at getting the best out of "problem" kids. Now he clearly doesn't want anyone who is a challenge at all. I guess that could work if we had a team of great players and largely nice guys -- the 2010 team comes to mind as being in that model. But without the former, the latter doesn't cut it.

DC played with a chip on his shoulder, and He was here 4 years.

 

[Scooch]

DC played with a chip on his shoulder, and He was here 4 years.

No coach on Earth got more out of DC than Boeheim.

Of course, DC would be the epitome of one-and-done today.

 

[MikeSU02]

Arguably he adopted this mindset right after Flynn and friends left school.

Post hoc ergo propter hoc?

I just re-watched West Wing and you use that phrase, great timing.

 

[cuseincincy]

We aren't that bad and we have been in every game. That is the frustrating thing that this team could be very good. Even with the guys we have on the roster.

We haven't tried any options that involve Buddy and Jimmy in different roles but I am pretty sure have exhausted all other ones.

Last night would have been the one to play Torrence at PG and move Buddy to the 3. It was also the only game I thought Williams looked good and was a net positive and he went back to the bench as quick as possible.

That was around when I saw 5'11" Charlie Moore matched up on 6'9" Swider and Swider never posted up, never even attempted to go inside. And this is important...Moore did NOT switch onto Swider in a rotation. He matched up against him intentionally in an out of bounds situation and Swider ran away with his back to the inbounder. They chose to cover a 6'9" player with a 5'11" player and we let them.

 

[UD1954]

Well ... Boehiem said he doesn't look at win loss records but if Jimmy and Buddy weren't on the team do you think he'd look at being 7-7. Just asking

 

[FRANKIEFAN]

Well ... Boehiem said he doesn't look at win loss records but if Jimmy and Buddy weren't on the team do you think he'd look at being 7-7. Just asking

JB the hof coach isn’t the same guy this year. Even so he’s not a terrible coach now don’t forget that first half’s alone this year we’re close to being undefeated.

We all know why we have the record we do.

I hope we stay above .500 and can move on without it being ugly. SU is a blueblood basketball job it’s someone else’s turn.

Our fans are going to be brutal on the next guy btw if we don’t win big off the bat that coach is out after 2 years.

 

[baggerbob]

No coach on Earth got more out of DC than Boeheim.

Of course, DC would be the epitome of one-and-done today.

Actually Chuck Daly had The New Jersey Nets on the path to being a great team.
Starters, DC, Kenny Anderson, Chris Morris, Sam Bouie, and the best outside shooter in the game Drazen Petrovic.
They had a good bench. Then Drazen went and got killed in the off season on the German Autoban, and blew the whole thing up.

 

[Cusefan0307]

The season is basically over and we just got to the new year. It's the equivalent of football being over by Columbus day.

 

[BraintreeB]

I think 12-18 (40%W/L) where they are headed. My only hope is the MLB labor issues will get resolved before Spring training starts.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

They ran Buddy at the 3 for about 2 min. I think we scored 6 quick points and JB immediately switched back to starters

Yeah that was baffling.

And I hate the idea of Buddy at the 3, let alone it actually happening.

 

[OrlandoCuse]

I think 12-18 (40%W/L) where they are headed. My only hope is the MLB labor issues will get resolved before Spring training starts.

PGA tour restarted today. Masters is only 3 months away.

 

[Dinkyspond]

Wake will easily beat us Saturday. We’ll be lucky to split with Pitt. When you can’t stop people it’s hard to win.

Wake is improved and pretty good and Pitt beat us twice last season when we had a better team, I think it is possible we might having a losing record on the ACC

 

[cuseattle]

PGA tour restarted today. Masters is only 3 months away.

Already have my opening day Mariners tix. Shiny new Cy Young winner in the rotation.