Is anyone confident we can have a winning team under Red next year?

[sufan59]

I respectfully disagree,
The one thing Boeheim always did well was maximize the talent he had and designed an offense and defense that worked.
And because he always harped on defense we were seldom blown out like last night.
He didn’t always have great talent but only had one losing season, and that was just barely.
Red has managed to minimize the talent on the court
it is telling that the only 2 passionate players are the 2 transfers.
And that Cuffe ends up quoting a story from the Kansas coach to try and rally his teammates
Gerry brought the energy and street cred as a national champion.
Now that he and JB are both gone from the program, that street cred, passion and flat out respect for the coaches is gone.
i really dont think Red can fix this.
Breaks my heart to say this.
i just dont think he has what it takes to succeed as a top tier head coach

Wildhack has decision to make

Agreed on maximizing the talent regarding JB. How we even won 16 games and went 9-11 in the ACC with the roster we had in 2021-2022 was actually an amazing coaching job. We had great shooting, but was pretty awful in every other area of the game. On paper this roster should be atleast a tournament bubble team, that Boeheim could probably make a borderline top 25 team.

 

[Zelda Zonk]

“’Winning’ team?”
Meaning .501?

Sure. And that won’t mean we’re good/acceptable/on the right track.

 

[OrangePA]

We aren’t winning with just the freshmen coming in and I have zero idea who’s worth keeping or who will stay.

We need a complete change in philosophy. We play meathead basketball. We can’t make 3’s and we don’t get enough shots at the rim.

Tonight was the 13th time in 21 losses where we have been beat by at least 15 points.

It feels like we are starting completely over again next season.

So, meathead basketball is inaccurate shooting and the inability to create good shots?

 

[DilemaCuse]

Field of 68 Pod

Got around to listening to it. At the 1 hr mark, "At some point we need to have a conversation about that Syracuse program because they should not be sitting there under .500 in the ACC."

 

[Fly Rodder]

So, meathead basketball is inaccurate shooting and the inability to create good shots?

Meathead basketball is low percentage mid-range jumpers, dribble drives and not taking advantage of a three pointer being worth 50% more than a two pointer.

 

[djcon57]

Fans will be blamed soon. Wait for it.

Class of 2025 - SF Sadiq White (NC / IMG) COMMITTED & SIGNED TO SYRACUSE (5/29/24)

If he did I’ll send him $44 thru a nil collective. Would be a crime if he got a bagel.

syracusefan.com

Boom.

 

[hoopsupstate]

Agreed on maximizing the talent regarding JB. How we even won 16 games and went 9-11 in the ACC with the roster we had in 2021-2022 was actually an amazing coaching job. We had great shooting, but was pretty awful in every other area of the game. On paper this roster should be atleast a tournament bubble team, that Boeheim could probably make a borderline top 25 team.

You’re joking correct? JB‘s zone needed an active, shot blocking player in the middle who could also get out to the corner. That’s not Lampkin. He liked big , long rangy guards. We don’t have them. Donnie and Chris are kind of made for the zone. To think JB would make this a top 25 team is laughable. They started the season in most rankings outside the top 100. There’s only one ACC team currently in the top 25.

 

[baggerbob]

Meathead basketball is low percentage mid-range jumpers, dribble drives and not taking advantage of a three pointer being worth 50% more than a two pointer.

What you really need in this new era is not to let people walk the ball up the floor.
You need to pressure at least 3/4 court to make teams work harder to get into their sets.
Give them less time to get good shots.
Pressure should give you more opportunities for steals, and easy points.

 

[Doc5120]

It seems apparent that he can't really coach. He has a poor feel for the game.

He doesn't discipline players who don't play hard on defense, and so none of them do.

Nobody gets stronger under our S&C program.

I don't see how they risk having him here for another year, to be honest.

While I don't necessarily disagree with this, but if NO ONE plays hard, (and I'm not sure I'd go that far), who do you put on the floor? You have to put 5 guys out there.

 

[MikeSU02]

Class of 2025 - SF Sadiq White (NC / IMG) COMMITTED & SIGNED TO SYRACUSE (5/29/24)

If he did I’ll send him $44 thru a nil collective. Would be a crime if he got a bagel.

syracusefan.com

Boom.

This is amazing. Amazing.

 

[MikeSU02]

You’re joking correct? JB‘s zone needed an active, shot blocking player in the middle who could also get out to the corner. That’s not Lampkin. He liked big , long rangy guards. We don’t have them. Donnie and Chris are kind of made for the zone. To think JB would make this a top 25 team is laughable. They started the season in most rankings outside the top 100. There’s only one ACC team currently in the top 25.

The thought of this team trying to play zone defense the way JB wanted is crazy.

This team is atrocious on D. Atrocious in this year's version of the Red's zone. And JB might literally ask fans in the stands to come play if they tried to play the zone he wanted.

 

[kingtidge]

While I don't necessarily disagree with this, but if NO ONE plays hard, (and I'm not sure I'd go that far), who do you put on the floor? You have to put 5 guys out there.

Not true.

There was a stretch of about a minute and half last game where there was focus and effort on D.

Eddie was even fired about it and was wooing the fans to get loud.

As quickly as the focus and effort appeared, it disappeared like a fart in the wind.

Somebody misses a shot and dogs it back down court and everyone's effort drops.

In any event, we see occasional glimpses of what this team is capable 5% or so of the time.

It's the other 95% that is the problem.

 

[Zelda Zonk]

Choppa averaged 13 a game from late Nov through the MD game right before Christmas. He hasn't scored in the 6 games since. That's utter insanity. Why is Red not trying to build him back up, working to get him some easy looks (hahaha) or just playing him for the future? He was fun and energetic like you inferred, but now he's out there thinking and barely playing. It's coaching ineptitude.

McLeod getting 4 minutes would be 4 too many. There's nothing there.

I still find it bizarre that McLeod started our first 14 games last year—the team that won 20—yet can’t find the court at all this year. What happened? Not that he was great last year, but he did do a few nice things. Simce he does get a few ‘cookie’ minutes this year, and moves as well as ever, I’m not seeing an injury excuse. Is this like Cuffe earlier, and one day we’ll just find out McLeod is also ‘serviceable’ and can contribute?

One thing is certain, though, I can’t see how anyone has faith that we have the right guys training/developing him.

Back to Moore, though—I’m not going to be critical of Red for choosing to put him back in for a few minutes. Moore didn’t show any ‘fragility’ of ego/mentality and any minutes are an opportunity for a shooter to knock down one or two just to begin their own rebuilding of confidence process. Whether or not the kid starts… that’s got to be based on practice, no? We’re not seeing the reasons, and even though I’m down on Red, I don’t believe he’s as arbitrary or clueless in that aspect as many here do.

 

[Zelda Zonk]

A wild idea would be to create some sets for Moore and actually run a systematic set that takes over thinking out of the equation. Run here, cut here, curl off screen here and bang a three. Don’t think just do. It would be nice to see something like that.

 

[Irishsecra1]

Not true.

There was a stretch of about a minute and half last game where there was focus and effort on D.

Eddie was even fired about it and was wooing the fans to get loud.

As quickly as the focus and effort appeared, it disappeared like a fart in the wind.

Somebody misses a shot and dogs it back down court and everyone's effort drops.

In any event, we see occasional glimpses of what this team is capable 5% or so of the time.

It's the other 95% that is the problem.

There was one game earlier this year where they displayed incredible effort. Texas maybe?
They lost a close game and seemed to decide on a team basis never to give that same kind of game effort again.
Taylor, Cuffe and usually Petar do give max effort.
JJ's effort is directly related to how well his offense is going.

 

[dasher]

Got out coached really bad, that was a major difference.

That isn't the difference. It doesn't help. The difference is the players. They aren't good enough. If we had their players and we had theirs , we would have won. That isn't a defense of Red. It's just the way it is.

 

[IthacaMatt]

While I don't necessarily disagree with this, but if NO ONE plays hard, (and I'm not sure I'd go that far), who do you put on the floor? You have to put 5 guys out there.

People will play hard if the coach benches them for not trying on defense.
I thought Boeheim had too quick a hook at times, but Red has no hook at all.

 

[IthacaMatt]

I still find it bizarre that McLeod started our first 14 games last year—the team that won 20—yet can’t find the court at all this year. What happened? Not that he was great last year, but he did do a few nice things. Simce he does get a few ‘cookie’ minutes this year, and moves as well as ever, I’m not seeing an injury excuse. Is this like Cuffe earlier, and one day we’ll just find out McLeod is also ‘serviceable’ and can contribute?

One thing is certain, though, I can’t see how anyone has faith that we have the right guys training/developing him.

Back to Moore, though—I’m not going to be critical of Red for choosing to put him back in for a few minutes. Moore didn’t show any ‘fragility’ of ego/mentality and any minutes are an opportunity for a shooter to knock down one or two just to begin their own rebuilding of confidence process. Whether or not the kid starts… that’s got to be based on practice, no? We’re not seeing the reasons, and even though I’m down on Red, I don’t believe he’s as arbitrary or clueless in that aspect as many here do.

He did have the foot surgery. Maybe he's having trouble with his recovery.

 

[jdubs30]

That isn't the difference. It doesn't help. The difference is the players. They aren't good enough. If we had their players and we had theirs , we would have won. That isn't a defense of Red. It's just the way it is.

Yes. Louisville is a top 30 team. We aren’t even a top 100 team. But we haven’t beat a team that’s better than us all year - that is on Red.

 

[IthacaMatt]

Yes. Louisville is a top 30 team. We aren’t even a top 100 team. But we haven’t beat a team that’s better than us all year - that is on Red.

I've seen maybe 2 or 3 games this year where he tried something different.
But other than that, I don't really recall seeing anything that says "defensive game plan" to me.

There was that time (singular, as in once) we did a 3/4 court press, and we played some zone a couple games for meaningful stretches, but those were more reactive, IMO, because we couldn't stop anyone in man, and too many guys were in foul trouble.

 

[Fly Rodder]

That isn't the difference. It doesn't help. The difference is the players. They aren't good enough. If we had their players and we had theirs , we would have won. That isn't a defense of Red. It's just the way it is.

Agree we need better talent but I’m not so sure Kelsey couldn’t pull off some magic.

 

[dasher]

Yes. Louisville is a top 30 team. We aren’t even a top 100 team. But we haven’t beat a team that’s better than us all year - that is on Red.

LOL I don't want to be in the position of defending what we are watching.

 

[Moontan]

Bring back Starling, Freeman and some others from this year plus the incoming recruits and Red should have a winning season.

If he doesn't then it could well be the end of the "Red Era".

I hope it works out and that the Orange get back to being an NCAA tournament regular.

 

[chuck]

You’re joking correct? JB‘s zone needed an active, shot blocking player in the middle who could also get out to the corner. That’s not Lampkin. He liked big , long rangy guards. We don’t have them. Donnie and Chris are kind of made for the zone. To think JB would make this a top 25 team is laughable. They started the season in most rankings outside the top 100. There’s only one ACC team currently in the top 25.

JB wouldn't have taken a player like lampkin. JB is a basketball nerd he's watches everything. I used to cook for him after games and he's sit there and watch basketball the whole time.

 

[Zelda Zonk]

He did have the foot surgery. Maybe he's having trouble with his recovery.

Right, and that’s why I haven't been critical of Red’s usage of him, but then why put him into games in meaningless situations? Why not just let him recuperate. But, if there’s an issue that is intermittent, and constant rest isn’t going to help… I just don’t know that such situations with a foot are common. It’s usually you’re out for a protracted period and then you come back. Not such a seemingly random thing. Weird. I feel bad for Naheem. Whether he deserved minutes or not, he’s there, working, and he seems to be a ‘good citizen and teammmate.’