Is it Hunt or West?

[OrangeNC]

In regards to Hunt and West not being on the same page...I threw up my hands in disbelief after their last incompletion at the game in the second half. I then watched the replay of the game yesterday morning.
Hunt threw the ball behind West in the first half on one miss. But in the second half, back to back plays targeted West. On the first one West ran an out, and Hunt threw it past him 15 yards down the sideline. On the next play, Hunt was yelling and pointing to West before the snap to move from the left side to the right side. West motioned to the right, and ran a deep pattern down the sideline. Hunt threw 15 yards short of him expecting West to run an out. Who's fault is it?

 

[Upstate]

It's West. He's really looked lost out there. His effort seems to be lacking more than anything.

 

[upperdeck]

the last one was a 3rd and long.. why would we want to throw a 5 yard out?

 

[rrlbees]

It's West. He's really looked lost out there. His effort seems to be lacking more than anything.

He forgot how to run routes this year?


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[rrlbees]

It's always a little of both. But part of it is both the QB and WR being able to read the coverage and adjusting the route. I think on some of the bad misses that Hunts inexperience is showing. I'm not going to blame either.


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[OrangeNC]

the last one was a 3rd and long.. why would we want to throw a 5 yard out?

The throw was far enough to get a first down...unlike some of our other 3rd down throws this season.

 

[SmilinBob]

Both. Hunt isn't the best passer and West isn't the best receiver. Good players but when you combine those two you have inconsistency.

 

[PhatOrange]

The first one hunt threw behind him but that happens.

Don't remember the second one.

The third sure looked like it was on west since the Qb was yelling at him to motion to the other side and west had no idea where he should be.

As for a 5 yard route on 3rd and long; we run smith up the gut on 3rd and 5 and we throw passes behind the line of scrimmage on 3rd and 5 or longer so nothing surprises me. Maybe gmac would call for a 5 yard out on 3rd and long.

I also think west can forget his routes, he's not playing the same position and we have a new oc - different play different routes.

 

[RICuse44]

It's West. He's really looked lost out there. His effort seems to be lacking more than anything.

Agree with the West effort thing. Although he may also have a nagging injury causing some of these problems. Still, things I need to see more of is better blocking on those screens and more fighting for position/the ball. He is not the fastest receiver but he is a big target with decent hands. No reason he should not be able to run 8-12 yard hooks and use his body to get position. Hit some of those and then you have stop and gos. Rarely do you have a Sammy Watkins type that can just outrun the defensive coverage. The offense in general has to do a better job of rhythm and setting things up, atleast from the passing side.

 

[ImperialOrange]

West looks frusterated out there. Granted he has some good reason to be but you can see it in his body language and the resulting effort on the field. On Hunt's first pick I feel like West could've broken that up but gave up on the play. Perhaps he saw the ball come out so poorly and assumed it was just a bad throw vs knowing Hunt's legs got hit as he was releasing it and thought "man, i'm open, not again"?

When he ran in motion and Hunt called his route out to him, and they were still mixed up, that pretty much typifies how off they are. Good news is they'll have an entire offseason to get it right. Bad news is, we really need them to get it together before the offseason.

 

[rrlbees]

Agree with the West effort thing. Although he may also have a nagging injury causing some of these problems. Still, things I need to see more of is better blocking on those screens and more fighting for position/the ball. He is not the fastest receiver but he is a big target with decent hands. No reason he should not be able to run 8-12 yard hooks and use his body to get position. Hit some of those and then you have stop and gos. Rarely do you have a Sammy Watkins type that can just outrun the defensive coverage. The offense in general has to do a better job of rhythm and setting things up, atleast from the passing side.

If it was effort he wouldn't be open to be missed plus if it was effort he wouldn't be on the field. Coaches don't play kids that don't give max effort and for that matter they don't play kids that don't know the routes.


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[orangejunkie]

Wasn't West offered a scholarship by Stanford? I expected more from him by now.

 

[RICuse44]

If it was effort he wouldn't be open to be missed plus if it was effort he wouldn't be on the field. Coaches don't play kids that don't give max effort and for that matter they don't play kids that don't know the routes.

Blocking though is completely effort. Needs to take care of his man so Broyld has a chance on those screens. Too often those are getting blown up.

 

[RICuse44]

Also not saying he is injured where he can't play but may have something nagging him- tight hammy, hand issue (sprain), etc. In other words dinged up, which everyone is at this time of year but some moreso than others.

 

[anomander]

If I am GMC I am opening up next game and hitting with 2 short passes. How about a quick slant, or something where he can use his strengths. Just to see if we can get him engaged early. I'm not putting it all on him though. He was open a few times and the throws just weren't there. It's tough to blame because it's a little bit of both. Still most of the misses are on low percentage throws. Let's try some high percentage stuff to try and jump start his game. It wouldn't hurt Hunt either to see a couple completions to start the game. I really don't understand our refusal to use the middle of the field


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[Millhouse]

Wasn't West offered a scholarship by Stanford? I expected more from him by now.

even good teams have a lot of roster spots, i don't think it means as much as we once hoped.

we have a bunch of guys who had scholarships from big time programs that aren't doing much. but big time programs have a lot of guys on their roster that aren't either

 

[cusefan88]

Definitely a little bit on both. Hope they watch the game tape together and get on the same page.

 

[orangencpolice]

Wasn't West offered a scholarship by Stanford? I expected more from him by now.

Yes, he was. And so did I. I don't think he qualified academically at Stanford or he probably would have went. We were his second choice obviously.

 

[kcsu]

New playbook issues.

 

[Franz69]

Maybe it's me, but it sure seemed like McDonald was much more committed to running the ball after that series. Could be a blessing in disguise.

 

[ForeverOrange]

As bad as our passing game has been, it amazes me that no one else gets a chance to make plays. The other receivers must really be struggling to grasp the plays or they just are not that good. I also get the feeling that Hunt may not be good at throwing slants, because I never see him throw one, that was Nassib's bread and butter pass last year.

 

[PhatOrange]

How about a quick slant,

I'd like to see a quick slant to anybody. the last one I remember was broyld against penn state and if he hadn't dropped it may have gone for 6.

Do you recall if we've thrown a slant since?

I thought that would be the role for West, inside, underneath and slants etc. I still think they're mis-using him.

 

[rrlbees]

As bad as our passing game has been, it amazes me that no one else gets a chance to make plays. The other receivers must really be struggling to grasp the plays or they just are not that good. I also get the feeling that Hunt may not be good at throwing slants, because I never see him throw one, that was Nassib's bread and butter pass last year.

What I find amusing is that guys on the bench are there because they don't know the plays (coaches confirmed this) or aren't giving the effort needed (fan rumors). Now fans are saying the guys on the field don't know the routes/plays or aren't giving the effort.

Think about that. Guys on the field and guys on the bench don't know the plays and aren't making an effort. If out fans are all correct in their postings here, then what the heck is going on? Must be the coaches.


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[007]

New playbook issues.

Of all the reasons given, this is the least likely, IMO.

 

[RMH44]

As bad as our passing game has been, it amazes me that no one else gets a chance to make plays. The other receivers must really be struggling to grasp the plays or they just are not that good. I also get the feeling that Hunt may not be good at throwing slants, because I never see him throw one, that was Nassib's bread and butter pass last year.

But wait...I thought Hunt was better than Nassib? Now I'm confused.

Let's face reality...there is a reason the staff started the season with Allen at the helm and we're seeing it displayed now that we're in conference play. For all of his feel for the game and escapability when a play breaks down, Hunt lacks the arm strength and accuracy to run the entire playbook. That doesn't mean we can't win with him but it definitely makes it more difficult if your one dimensional on offense.

As someone mentioned above, this might be a blessing in disguise because its forced GM to focus more on the run game which we're very good at. I'm still confused why we're not using the TE's more and the middle of the field in the passing game. A real head scratcher for me.