Is Marrone on the hot (or even warm) seat in 2012?

[Bayside44]

Versus USC, FSU, OKlahoma ok I agree they can run the same play over and over with that talent. But UConn freeking UConn, come on that QB could barely even pass the ball and wasnt even a D1A QB as far as UConn fans were concerned. We also beat RU the two previous times before that game, I didnt see them being much bigger then us save for maybe the LB core.

Verses UConnn their HC and OC knew that our LB coach and his unit was pretty overmatched and ran right at him all day long. Look, that game blew, we created turnovers and did nada with it, but we were also pretty bare by that point for a whole variety of reasons. Lack of depth is a killer in football.

Did you get a look at guys like Sanu and Coleman their RBs next to our position / skill players? The past two seasons against RU it came down to bounces of the ball...won one, lost one.

 

[JeremyCuse]

Verses UConnn their HC and OC knew that our LB coach and his unit was pretty overmatched and ran right at him all day long. Look, that game blew, we created turnovers and did nada with it, but we were also pretty bare by that point for a whole variety of reasons. Lack of depth is a killer in football.

Did you get a look at guys like Sanu and Coleman their RBs next to our position / skill players? The past two seasons against RU it came down to bounces of the ball...won one, lost one.

I can accept that explanation and agree with it, but PA was insinuiating UConn had far more talent which I disagree with. As bad as we played one stop by our D we probably win, its a bit of concern when P and Deleone realize our LB are in trouble and we make Zero adjustments. Again thats on the coaching staff.

As for Rutgers we should have won that game, Sanu was the best player offensively by far but Coleman didnt do anything and Ru's run game was the worst I have ever seen I dont blame the coaching staff for that loss but the decisions by Hackett in that game as far as play calling were atrocious and played a big role in the loss.

 

[Bayside44]

Well that coach did get fired.

My point was that they were far bigger and more athletic that our guys - guys like Coleman. Again, that game, stupid int, that wheel that didn't work, the dropped pick 6...coaches generally put us in a position to win that game (then made some questionable calls as we failed to convert)

 

[orangenirvana]

I dont blame the coaching staff for that loss but the decisions by Hackett in that game as far as play calling were atrocious and played a big role in the loss.

That's right, but don't worry...the offense will so much better in 2012. Hackett was just kidding in 2011.

 

[Ozcuse]

So... when the coaches do get canned will it be because they couldn't recruit or because they couldn't make in-game adjustments? Sounds like both are an issue and a lot of people are just accepting it. Also, I've heard this year is irrelevant before it's even begun and we should start getting excited about 2013! Well if recruiting is not great why are we getting excited about 2013? Is it because there will be 8-9 new conference foes to make us look even worse? Someone let me know why I should get excited because I'm not seeing it yet. :noidea:

 

[rosconey]

That's right, but don't worry...the offense will so much better in 2012. Hackett was just kidding in 2011.

its 2013 when we will see offense-the "apologists" have already written off this season -

 

[Millhouse]

i don't think it's silly to think marrone will have a make or break year soon.

i just don't think it's this year.

short of epic incompetence, you're not going to fire a guy for having a bad offense when he's still playing a qb he didn't recruit. he'll probably get a little bit of a pass for first year starter. but come 2015, it's going to be hard to give the guy a 7th year if the offense continues to stink, especially considering that it will have been 17 years since they had a good offense. (we think of 2002 as good but it still wasn't)

which is why i say abandon all hope this year and play for the future.

 

[Millhouse]

its 2013 when we will see offense-the "apologists" have already written off this season -

you don't have to be an apologist to write off this season.

 

[rosconey]

So... when the coaches do get canned will it be because they couldn't recruit or because they couldn't make in-game adjustments? Sounds like both are an issue and a lot of people are just accepting it. Also, I've heard this year is irrelevant before it's even begun and we should start getting excited about 2013! Well if recruiting is not great why are we getting excited about 2013? Is it because there will be 8-9 new conference foes to make us look even worse? Someone let me know why I should get excited because I'm not seeing it yet. :noidea:

its become a "ground hogday" kind of loop with the "apologists"= always next year,i guess they have some chicago cubs blood-

running a exciting program is what kids want to see- this vanilla garbage will never attract the special kids in droves-

i just aint so sure its in the dna of either marrone or "cant" hackett- hell they havent even bothered to look up and notice they play in a dome yet -

then again it would be fun to be part of the "every day is a excuse day "mentality

 

[Millhouse]

running a exciting program is what kids want to see- this vanilla garbage will never attract the special kids in droves-

we'll know in 2014 whether it's vanilla by design or vanilla by circumstance.

the only thing that gets you fired this quick is complete incompetence, which he's not.

if he cycles through a few of qbs and stays in the 90s in offense and bores everyone to death, ok then start looking.

 

[Ozcuse]

i don't think it's silly to think marrone will have a make or break year soon.

i just don't think it's this year.

short of epic incompetence, you're not going to fire a guy for having a bad offense when he's still playing a qb he didn't recruit.

Would you consider it incompetence not being able to recruit over Ryan Nassib in the last 4 recruiting cycles? How about a skill position roster at the MAC level? Marrone has had 4 recruiting cycles now to turn that around and other than TE I don't see how it has improved. People want to apologize or gloss over these deficiencies for Marrone but isn't he in charge of this program and his own destiny? For people like OPA who stress how much more inferior we are athletically than our peers, whose fault is that? Can't keep blaming the GROB boogeyman at this point.

 

[rosconey]

we'll know in 2014 whether it's vanilla by design or vanilla by circumstance.

the only thing that gets you fired this quick is complete incompetence, which he's not.

if he cycles through a few of qbs and stays in the 90s in offense and bores everyone to death, ok then start looking.

thats what ive been saying-5 wins with a offense that works will be fine with me---5 wins and still no offense and out the door sluggo

 

[rosconey]

Would you consider it incompetence not being able to recruit over Ryan Nassib in the last 4 recruiting cycles? How about a skill position roster at the MAC level? Marrone has had 4 recruiting cycles now to turn that around and other than TE I don't see how it has improved. People want to apologize or gloss over these deficiencies for Marrone but isn't he in charge of this program and his own destiny? For people like OPA who stress how much more inferior we are athletically than our peers, whose fault is that? Can't keep blaming the GROB boogeyman at this point.

the groober excuse and facilities will never be surrendered -how dare you

 

[orangenirvana]

Would you consider it incompetence not being able to recruit over Ryan Nassib in the last 4 recruiting cycles? How about a skill position roster at the MAC level? Marrone has had 4 recruiting cycles now to turn that around and other than TE I don't see how it has improved. People want to apologize or gloss over these deficiencies for Marrone but isn't he in charge of this program and his own destiny? For people like OPA who stress how much more inferior we are athletically than our peers, whose fault is that? Can't keep blaming the GROB boogeyman at this point.

It's the facilities' fault that we can't upgrade the quarterback (or much of any) position.

Marrone receives no blame. He would be landing Top 20 classes at UConn and Cincinnati.

 

[Ozcuse]

It's the facilities' fault that we can't upgrade the quarterback (or much of any) position.

Marrone receives no blame. He would be landing Top 20 classes at UConn and Cincinnati.

It's frustrating to hear the same excuse over and over. At least mix it up, and put it on the recruiting coordinator Adkins or one of the coaches we got rid of. At least then it would make sense why we booted them. Nope, always facilities.

 

[GoSU96]

That's pretty much how it works. Let me give you an example:

We had a 5 game losing streak when we just needed one win for a bowl. Seems like the coach should be accountable, right?

No, he's not. The reason is because we had less talent than every one of those teams we lost to, and everybody knows that in college football teams with less talent never beat teams with better talent.

But wait - isn't Marrone responsible for the amount of talent on the team and how that talent performs?

No, he's not. Due to the lack of quality facilities and the meager fan support in the Dome, Marrone gets the absolute best talent that he can and bleeds everything he can from me. If you think we need better talent, blame the lack of commitment in getting better facilities and the fans for not showing up.

But, hang on. We pounded a good WFVU team, and the previous year had enough talent to make a bowl. How come this past season...

Let me stop you there. Marrone got us to a bowl in year 2 because he's a great coach.

OK, so we have a great coach. Doesn't that mean we should have higher expectations for the team's performance?

No, absolutely not. Having high expectations isn't grounded in the reality of all the obstacles that the program faces.

But, our conference isn't exactly a murderer's row. We're not the only team with obstacles. Shouldn't how great Marrone is a coach cancel out those obstacles?

Look, you can't expect our team to compete against the likes of Pitt, Cincy, USF, UCONN, and Rutgers. Not with their talent and tradition.

...I'm so confused.

Yes, you are. You wouldn't be if you were grounded in reality.

Yeah, reality is that right now the team has moved from being ridiculously bad to a .500 club. Who ever said "can't expect to compete"? This team is much more competitive, as evidenced by the 13-12 record the last two years, but there is a significant difference between "expect to compete" and expect to beat.

Newsflash ace, nobody is a happy with the way the year ended. Doesn't mean the program at a macro level hasn't improved and isn't improving. Even with the improvement it's obvious that there isn't a great deal more to do.

There are issues that limit and slow the progress the program has made and is making. That's reality.

 

[rosconey]

so if we lose kids to toledo is because they have better facilities ?

does every program in america have better ones?

ill say it again

you could play in a mud hole and have pee buckets-the kids would still come if it was a exciting style of play- when your parents fall a sleep or change the channel because its so horrid to watch,you aint getting a lot of talent

 

[orangenirvana]

Yeah, reality is that right now the team has moved from being ridiculously bad to a .500 club.

.500 club? SU was 1-6 in the worst BCS conference of all-time.

 

[Millhouse]

Would you consider it incompetence not being able to recruit over Ryan Nassib in the last 4 recruiting cycles? How about a skill position roster at the MAC level? Marrone has had 4 recruiting cycles now to turn that around and other than TE I don't see how it has improved. People want to apologize or gloss over these deficiencies for Marrone but isn't he in charge of this program and his own destiny? For people like OPA who stress how much more inferior we are athletically than our peers, whose fault is that? Can't keep blaming the GROB boogeyman at this point.

will all take care of itself by 2014. recruits know a good conference and money are coming by then. nassib will be on wall street by then.

i have big doubts about marrone. but you have to be a disaster to be on the hot seat 4 years into a program as bad as SU was.

by 2014 we'll know how his recruiting was and won't need to fire him based on your crystal ball.

 

[rosconey]

will all take care of itself by 2014. recruits know a good conference and money are coming by then. nassib will be on wall street by then.

i have big doubts about marrone. but you have to be a disaster to be on the hot seat 4 years into a program as bad as SU was.

by 2014 we'll know how his recruiting was and won't need to fire him based on your crystal ball.

he would have to get a extension to get that far- do you feel safe investing more time and money even if this year is a complete flop?

 

[Millhouse]

It's the facilities' fault that we can't upgrade the quarterback (or much of any) position.

Marrone receives no blame. He would be landing Top 20 classes at UConn and Cincinnati.

deserving blame and deserving hot seat are two different things

also, p!ssing out the window and sh!tting out the window are two different things according to the guy on the phone in the neck brace

 

[Millhouse]

he would have to get a extension to get that far- do you feel safe investing more time and money even if this year is a complete flop?

extensions are just par for the course. if they need to eat it later, fine. coaches get extended and canned all the time

 

[rosconey]

extensions are just par for the course. if they need to eat it later, fine. coaches get extended and canned all the time

if he cant show after 4 years he can coach - you have to make a change- su has been down too long to just keep investing in a bad product for the sake of stability- a stable bottom feeder is not what i want syracuse to be

 

[GoSU96]

It's the facilities' fault that we can't upgrade the quarterback (or much of any) position.

Marrone receives no blame. He would be landing Top 20 classes at UConn and Cincinnati.

Other than clearly the OL, DL, LB, DB's.

The QB position is clearly better top to bottom. At QB Marrone was left with one kid that could play. The incumbent starter was a Pasqualoni walk on.

This year we will start seeing how recruiting has gone at TB.

 

[Millhouse]

if he cant show after 4 years he can coach - you have to make a change- su has been down too long to just keep investing in a bad product for the sake of stability- a stable bottom feeder is not what i want syracuse to be

whatever. you pick 4 as your magic number. conveniently, that's because this year is the 4th year.

i never mentioned stability. extensions are the price you pay to avoid a lame duck year killing recruiting. you can still fire whenver you feel like firing.