Is Marrone on the hot (or even warm) seat in 2012?

[OttoinGrotto]

There are issues that limit and slow the progress the program has made and is making. That's reality.

I know. And Marrone is responsible for exactly 0% of them, and in a mysterious twist of fate, the fans are responsible for dealing with the consequences of 100% of them.

 

[Scooch]

I'm not out for blood, but geez, this will be his fourth year. If we can't field a competent offensive line and a decent defense, why do you think we ever will ?

Who knows, but why is year 4 the line in the sand?

And I'd suggest that our defense was certainly "decent" in years 1 and 2.

 

[Millhouse]

and we have a quarterback who is putting up among the best numbers in school history.

you're like otto. if you think nassib can play, you're mad at the results and want marrone gone. if you think he can't, you're more willing to wait and see what broyld does.

 

[Millhouse]

Who knows, but why is year 4 the line in the sand?

And I'd suggest that our defense was certainly "decent" in years 1 and 2.

99% of make or break years/games/whatever is the next year/game/whatever

 

[rosconey]

that's not why they struggle throwing downfield.

go option-run a stallion- open the game with a on-sides kick- just try to get the defense on there heals-get the other coach as paranoid about you as you are of him for once-

play a all out offense even if you dont yet have the players- kids will see the wide open style and say-hey i could start at su as a freshman-

show a offensive style from day 1 that kids want to be a part of-

 

[OttoinGrotto]

i think he is breaking in his own qb this year. that's why practices are closed.

I think you're going to have a difficult time this season, even though you're only expecting 3 wins.

 

[Millhouse]

go option-run a stallion- open the game with a on-sides kick- just try to get the defense on there heals-get the other coach as paranoid about you as you are of him for once-

play a all out offense even if you dont yet have the players- kids will see the wide open style and say-hey i could start at su as a freshman-

show a offensive style from day 1 that kids want to be a part of-

geez if we'd have only gone wild with nassib,we could've recruited a qb the caliber of broyld. oh wait.

i'll judge his recruiting when i see them develop and play. you can put your crystal ball away, thanks.

 

[orangenirvana]

Everyone here who is out for blood needs to keep something critically important in mind...

MILLHOUSE is being the voice of patience and reason.

So, you know, chew on that for a while, haters. It probably means you're wrong.

For the record, I'm not calling for blood. IMO it's way too early to give up on Marrone, and I'm hoping last year was just a fluke and he turns out to be a great head coach when it's all said and done. I'm still optimistic that that could be the case. And in August, I will be all in with that perspective.

But we've seen a lot of bad (historically attrocious clock management skills, uptight, etc.), and last season's collapse was devastating for me personally as a fan. Lost a ton of faith in him, but again, that doesn't have to mean anything if it can be proven to have been a fluke. Marrone could still turn out to be great.

I started this thread not because I want Marrone fired, but because I was curious how others feel about Marrone's status based on what we know right now, not so much what we think he will become.

 

[OrangePA]

You make South Florida out to be Ohio State. Whatever excuses you want to come up with, we beat them on the road the year before, and we were returning 8 starters from an offense that put up 38 points in a bowl game. We should be competitive with other Big East teams.

Louisville has 2 good years of recruiting under Charlie Strong. That's also not enough talent to say that they are Florida State or Virginia Tech.

In the UConn game, you talk about "more talented special teams". Dude, special teams is about your young players and your depth. It's coming into year four, and we are still talking about not having players at certain positions. Roster management is on the coach eventually.

Every team in the NCAA has a few "great" players - except for us apparently. But we still seem to have 1,000 yard rushers, and we have a quarterback who is putting up among the best numbers in school history.

At some point, coaches become responsible for the performance of the team they put out there. We are not freaking Maine, trying to compete in a league that's too good for us. We are Syracuse, for chrissakes, and we play in the weakest BCS conference.

I just don't get it.

Nobody suggested that USF was the equal of Ohio State. And nobody suggested that Louisville is the equal of Florida State.

Read the post.

All that was noted was that in terms of talent Louisville, Cincy, USF and Pitt - and probably even UConn - all had more talent on the field than we did last year.

Were you at the UConn game? Did you see how inept we were in KO? Do you understand or recognize that the UConn return specialist is one of the best in college football? Did you see him repeatedly return kicks and punts that day for long gains? This isn't hypothetical stuff. This is what happened that day. Nick Williams and the poor KO ability of our guy had real impact on the final score. And, our inability to make big plays on offense - not because of play calling but because of the lack of game breakers - led to the INT at the end of the game while we were trying to get the go ahead TD.

You can offer general complaints about "coaching" but I disagree that the coaching lost those last five games.

It really came down to talent. And the point is that when the other team has more talent, it's hard to blame the coach for a loss to the more talented team.

 

[rosconey]

I just don't get it.

Nobody suggested that USF was the equal of Ohio State. And nobody suggested that Louisville is the equal of Florida State.

Read the post.

All that was noted was that in terms of talent Louisville, Cincy, USF and Pitt - and probably even UConn - all had more talent on the field than we did last year.

Were you at the UConn game? Did you see how inept we were in KO? Do you understand or recognize that the UConn return specialist is one of the best in college football? Did you see him repeatedly return kicks and punts that day for long gains? This isn't hypothetical stuff. This is what happened that day. Nick Williams and the poor KO ability of our guy had real impact on the final score. And, our inability to make big plays on offense - not because of play calling but because of the lack of game breakers - led to the INT at the end of the game while we were trying to get the go ahead TD.

You can offer general complaints about "coaching" but I disagree that the coaching lost those last five games.

It really came down to talent. And the point is that when the other team has more talent, it's hard to blame the coach for a loss to the more talented team.

so a coach has no responsibility for lack of talent?

you have enough talent to win against wv but not uconn?

 

[Millhouse]

so a coach has no responsibility for lack of talent?

you have enough talent to win against wv but not uconn?

the juniors he started recruiting when he took the job in 2009 are sophomores or redshirt freshman this year.

maybe he should've hit the ground running flipping high school seniors in 09. or maybe he should've had a bunch of true freshman contributing in big ways last year.
aye yi yi

his responsibility for talent will increase over time.

 

[rosconey]

the juniors he started recruiting when he took the job in 2009 are sophomores or redshirt freshman this year.

maybe he should've hit the ground running flipping high school seniors in 09. or maybe he should've had a bunch of true freshman contributing in big ways last year.
aye yi yi

his responsibility for talent will increase over time.

so he is incapable of recruiting freshman who can contribute?

always the first year mulligan on recruiting excuse-

 

[Millhouse]

so he is incapable of recruiting freshman who can contribute?

always the first year mulligan on recruiting excuse-

i think his production from freshman has been fine.

 

[OrangePA]

so a coach has no responsibility for lack of talent?

you have enough talent to win against wv but not uconn?

Oh my goodness, please.

Yes, of course the coach has responsibility for gathering talent.

What are we doing here, reviewing history?

Do we have to review that Marrone inherited a program that had won 10 games in four years?

Do we have to review that USF, Cincy, Pitt, Louisville and UConn had a lot of success during the Robinson years with guys like LeSean McCoy at Pitt. Jean Pierre Paul at USF, Donald Brown at UConn, Brohm at L'ville and too many to name at Cincy with numerous bowl appearances - immediately before Marrone took over.

They were all way ahead of us when Marrone took over.

So, yes, the coach has to improve the talent level and I believe that Marrone is doing that though in order to improve there must be more money invested.

And yes we beat WVU last year. And that goes to show that college football players are human. Sometimes the team with less talent wins. The point is that if WVU had won there would have been no reason to criticize Marrone.

That he was able to win that game demonstrates that when his team executes his plan his team can beat more talented teams.

Most of the time however that will not happen even if SU has a good plan and plays well.

 

[IthacaMatt]

that's not why they struggle throwing downfield.

If not from a lack of protection, why, then ? Nassib has sufficient arm strength (if not accuracy). And we've had some guys who show the ability to get free (Van Chew, Lemon, Sales - before he got kicked off the team) - and I thought we were going to be creative and use guys like Gully in the slot, etc. Certainly more time in the pocket gives you time for receivers to get free and run routes farther downfield. To me, it's on the line. What's your prescription ?

 

[OrangePA]

so he is incapable of recruiting freshman who can contribute?

always the first year mulligan on recruiting excuse-

Are you paying attention?

Sharmarko Thomas, E.J. Carter, Philip Thomas, Marquis Spruill, Ross Krautman, Dyshawn Davis, Keon Lyn, Prince Tyson Gulley, Brandon Reddish, Macky McPherson, Ritchie Desir, Cam Lynch, Eric Crume, Becket Wales, Chibane, Jay Bromley, et al.

Many true frosh have played and contributed for Marrone since he got here.

 

[Millhouse]

If not from a lack of protection, why, then ? Nassib has sufficient arm strength (if not accuracy). And we've had some guys who show the ability to get free (Van Chew, Lemon, Sales - before he got kicked off the team) - and I thought we were going to be creative and use guys like Gully in the slot, etc. Certainly more time in the pocket gives you time for receivers to get free and run routes farther downfield. To me, it's on the line. What's your prescription ?

nassib throws the ball out of bounds so much that marrone gave up on it. and i don't blame him. I feel really bad for van chew who was wasterd. (edit wasterd?? wasted, i mean) and i think the press coverage teddy ruxpins on here are dopes.

 

[IthacaMatt]

Oh my goodness, please.

Yes, of course the coach has responsibility for gathering talent.

What are we doing here, reviewing history?

Do we have to review that Marrone inherited a program that had won 10 games in four years?

Do we have to review that USF, Cincy, Pitt, Louisville and UConn had a lot of success during the Robinson years with guys like LeSean McCoy at Pitt. Jean Pierre Paul at USF, Donald Brown at UConn, Brohm at L'ville and too many to name at Cincy with numerous bowl appearances - immediately before Marrone took over.

They were all way ahead of us when Marrone took over.

So, yes, the coach has to improve the talent level and I believe that Marrone is doing that though in order to improve there must be more money invested.

And yes we beat WVU last year. And that goes to show that college football players are human. Sometimes the team with less talent wins. The point is that if WVU had won there would have been no reason to criticize Marrone.

That he was able to win that game demonstrates that when his team executes his plan his team can beat more talented teams.

Most of the time however that will not happen even if SU has a good plan and plays well.

There has been tons of coaching turnover in our league. Why is it that other teams don't seem to completely fall apart when they bring in a new coach ?

To say that 5 other schools in our conference have had a lot of success in the Robinson years, and supposedly passed us by as programs ignores the obvious - those schools have also had crappy years in the meantime.

We're talking about UConn, Pitt and USF all having losing records last year. We're talking about a USF that won 1 conference game, and a UConn team that won 3.

In 2010, USF and Louisville were both 3-4 in conference, Cinci 2-5 and Rutgers 1-6. We finished ahead of them all just one season before.

Now let's go back to Marrone's first year, 2009. Louisville was 1-6. Rutgers, UConn and USF were all 3-4 in conference.

You can't say that these teams have superior talent and are out of our league. It's hardly impossible to beat these teams. As jeremy and a couple others have said in this discussion, this is not a murderer's row that people seem to think we cannot compete with. That attitude is a loser's attitude.

We need to be competitive in conference this year. Two years ago we were 4-3 in conference. We should have matched that last year, not gone 1-6 for the 4th time in 5 years. That 4-3 conference record should not be such an anomaly.

This year, we MUST be competitive within our conference - something like 3-4 or 4-3. That's not too much to ask. Marrone has been in his job longer than any other coach in the conference. Why is it that other teams can manage change, but we can't seem to ?

 

[IthacaMatt]

Who knows, but why is year 4 the line in the sand?

And I'd suggest that our defense was certainly "decent" in years 1 and 2.

Some people say give him 5 years. That way, everyone on the roster are his guys, and the first class are redshirt seniors.

Four years means that every class but one are his guys, and those are only the redshirts. So at this point, we see what we've got. Why do you think 4 years is so random or arbitrary ? It makes sense to me.

 

[CIL]

so he is incapable of recruiting freshman who can contribute?

always the first year mulligan on recruiting excuse-

Holy fluck, I'm not sure if a human or pitrott is posting. There's a major difference between a 23 year old with 5 years of SandC under his belt and an 18 year old kid.

How many true freshman can you name tearing up college football?

 

[rosconey]

Holy fluck, I'm not sure if a human or pitrott is posting. There's a major difference between a 23 year old with 5 years of SandC under his belt and an 18 year old kid.

How many true freshman can you name tearing up college football?

another guy who cant take the time to read what the post was a reply for-sad

 

[GoSU96]

so he is incapable of recruiting freshman who can contribute?

always the first year mulligan on recruiting excuse-

You're an idiot. Obviously you haven't actually watched a game the last three years or know who is and isn't playing.

That's right, Marrone hasn't turned over the roster and played a high percentage of true freshmen and first year transfers.

 

[rosconey]

You're an idiot. Obviously you haven't actually watched a game the last three years or know who is and isn't playing.

That's right, Marrone hasn't turned over the roster and played a high percentage of true freshmen and first year transfers.

once again-another guy who cant take the time to read what the post was a reply for-sad

now im starting to get a good read on those who love marrone-they are incapable of comprehending the written word,have no understanding at all of the written word-

they just say -you idiot me smart-

 

[Bayside44]

Well, playing possession football is not taking advantage of the asset we have in the Dome. We could throw the ball down the field once in a while if our line could hold their blocks for more than 2 seconds.

Agreed but it's covering the lack of assets we have under center and at WR.

 

[Scooch]

For the record, I'm not calling for blood. IMO it's way too early to give up on Marrone, and I'm hoping last year was just a fluke and he turns out to be a great head coach when it's all said and done. I'm still optimistic that that could be the case. And in August, I will be all in with that perspective.

But we've seen a lot of bad (historically attrocious clock management skills, uptight, etc.), and last season's collapse was devastating for me personally as a fan. Lost a ton of faith in him, but again, that doesn't have to mean anything if it can be proven to have been a fluke. Marrone could still turn out to be great.

I started this thread not because I want Marrone fired, but because I was curious how others feel about Marrone's status based on what we know right now, not so much what we think he will become.

I get it, I do.

I don't think anyone is convinced Marrone is a savior. He's certainly a metric sh!ton better than the guy he replaced. Which doesn't mean much, but it's something.

And in my more positive moments I think of it this way... if you take the last 2 games of his inaugural season, the entirety of the 2010 season, and up through the WVU game last year, he had a run of being 14-8. That's better than any 22-game run this program has had in a decade. Now, the 5-game collapse last year was hideous. And I'm with others who say it made them question just how far we've really come.

But, we'll see. I don't think it's worth getting all hot and bothered about it, as some here seem to be doing. It'll either work, or it won't.