Is the proverbial shoe about to drop on college basketball royalty?

[manleyzoo]

How is it that the NCAA has skated so far on this investigation? They were right out of the gate to hypocritically denounce the whole thing when they're the puppet master. Haven't they patted themselves on the back for years about protecting the student athlete? Seems to me that if the whole house of cards falls they should be toppled too. Blaming the players, coaches and even the agents misses the point: It is the NCAA which coined the self-serving term student athlete back in the 50s to make certain they had no responsibility to the players and could not be held accountable in the courts. So, of course, now with big money on the table, it makes perfect sense that everyone is going to have their hand out to be paid. As well they should.

Here's why: Walter Byers, who basically invented the modern NCAA in the 50s, confessed in his memoir published in 1995 that he had built a monster: "The term student-athlete was deliberately ambiguous. College players were not students at play (which might understate their athletic obligations), nor were they just athletes in college (which might imply they were professionals). That they were high-performance athletes meant they could be forgiven for not meeting the academic standards of their peers; that they were students meant they did not have to be compensated, ever, for anything more than the cost of their studies. Student-athlete became the NCAA’s signature term, repeated constantly in and out of courtrooms.

So when you're not really a student and you're prohibited from making money on your services and the NCAA considers you some kind of 'other,' doesn't it stand to reason that they're the root problem with players, coaches, agents and the system?

 

[OttoinGrotto]

only thing NBA needs to do is allow players straight from high-school again and/or require them to be in college 2 yrs to be draft eligible

Why would the NBA want that?

They don't want highschool players. The G-League isn't yet where they want kids going right out of highschool. They're not stopping it if a player wants to, but they aren't encouraging it either.

If anything, I could see the NBA adjusting the rule to take players after two years, but certainly not earlier. More time to scout players against higher level competition reduces the NBA's risk. It isn't a coincidence that the play and entertainment in the NBA increased after they stopped drafting guys right out of highschool.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

The NBA doesn’t need to do anything to bail out the NCAA. They have a monster tv deal, the most coveted franchises in all of sports to purchase with ratings soaring.

The NBA will “fix” this when they can make money off the G-League through tv deals and sponsorships that make it lucrative enough for the owners and it doesn’t displace veterans who aren’t giving up roster spots.

NBA’s age limit doesn’t say a kid has to go to college. Kid can do whatever he wants before the nba.

Allowing HS kids direct to the nba means bad organizations will make bad selections because the variance widens in the talent pool and the good organizations will get better. Not sure the NBA wants that.

You and I are on the same page, and you said this better than I did.

 

[orangenirvana]

Whoopsy daisy (from last September)...

 

[orangenauburn]

Whoopsy daisy (from last September)...

Jay admitted today he was shocked and stunned at his lack of integrity.

I think Jay looked as bad as he did because he knows what's coming, and who it is going to impact. He is going to see and report on a lot of friends being caught cheating and playing dirty, and he know he has defended many in the past.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

 

[Shark58]

Emmert is double talking his way through a group interview on cbs right now

 

[OrangeXtreme]

 

[orangenauburn]

Great leadership

Meh, it's up to the school

 

[pearl31]

Why would the NBA want that?

They don't want highschool players. The G-League isn't yet where they want kids going right out of highschool. They're not stopping it if a player wants to, but they aren't encouraging it either.

If anything, I could see the NBA adjusting the rule to take players after two years, but certainly not earlier. More time to scout players against higher level competition reduces the NBA's risk. It isn't a coincidence that the play and entertainment in the NBA increased after they stopped drafting guys right out of highschool.

The NBA doesn't want players like Ayton, Bagley, A.Davis, etc etc as soon as they can possibly have them (i.e. not wait a year of those nba-ready guys playing in college/overseas)? BS

 

[kmart128]

Great leadership

Meh, it's up to the school

Well it is. I'm sure the NCAA recommend action to the school but it's their decision... Until the NCAA and FBI investigation is complete. And I'm sure that the schools decision to play or not play their players will factor into punishments. Kinda like Syracuse's punishment was reduced with our self inposed ban.

 

[orangenirvana]

Emmert is double talking his way through a group interview on cbs right now

Why is Emmert taking interviews while getting cuckolded by the FBI?

They'd better be asking him how he feels about an outside organization doing work that he should have already been doing for years.

 

[AZOrange]

How many top 20 players have we got over the last 15 years?

Why does top 20 matter?

 

[Shark58]

Great leadership

Meh, it's up to the school

while also saying the NCAA will move quickly to change and fix everything by tip-off next year, and also they have to let things play out with other investigative agencies and they will respect that process

full of ish

 

[Orangefan1]

Seems to me that unless they have these coaches on tape they are going to get away from it. Duke is obviously doubling down by playing their players. All these head coaches are going to deny unless proven otherwise

 

[JOC44]

I just believe in me...Yoko and me.

I believe the children are our future. Teach them well and let them lead the way.

 

[IthacaBarrel]

Seems to me that unless they have these coaches on tape they are going to get away from it. Duke is obviously doubling down by playing their players. All these head coaches are going to deny unless proven otherwise

Almost have too at this point. I know people are thinking Izzo, Self , and k are next but I’m not sure how these 3 would be this flippant like Miller was but we shall see. I could see them busted like Pitino was but to have the wiretaps and direct proof we shall see, nothing would surprise me I guess.

 

[Eric15]

Whoopsy daisy (from last September)...

The almighty all-knowing Jay Bilas was wrong! Holy crap!

 

[OttoinGrotto]

The NBA doesn't want players like Ayton, Bagley, A.Davis, etc etc as soon as they can possibly have them (i.e. not wait a year of those nba-ready guys playing in college/overseas)? BS

Yes. That's exactly what they communicated when they deliberately stopped drafting right out of highschool. Because the flip side is how much they water down their roster taking flyers on other young players that are not ready and weren't going to be ready for a while.

 

[orangecuse]

What a lying sack of crap..." I am so surprised as I was under the belief he did things the right way / give me a BIG TURNOVER Baby !"

Like Dick Freakin Vitale doesnt know how college basketball works

100%!!!

This has several layers. If we are all being 100% transparent, we kind of all have a role in this debacle which is college sports today. Many have believed here for years based upon their posts, etc., with their complete being, that this type of cheating has gone on for years and years, yet we all still contribute to some degree by our continuing to obsessively tune in to college hoops and football enabling it. If all us were truly incensed by this to our core, why do we keep the fire burning? If TV ratings, attendance, etc. dropped through the roof, so does the money and the trickling impact and affect. But, just like the vast majority of folk in the sports media who are allegedly and suddenly "shocked" by this, (a complete crock) we've just turned the other cheek. We all choose to voluntarily behave this way based upon our own selfish reasons, motivations, etc.

 

[pearl31]

Yes. That's exactly what they communicated when they deliberately stopped drafting right out of highschool. Because the flip side is how much they water down their roster taking flyers on other young players that are not ready and weren't going to be ready for a while.

BS
There are a few players every year that are clearly nba ready - and those guys should be in the nba and not playing for a college team as a "student athlete"

 

[pfister1]

The big hang up with the baseball model is that kids can decide AFTER the draft, right? Maybe less of an issue in a 42 round baseball draft than a 2 round NBA draft. Not sure if the NBA would be willing to give up that leverage.

Except that is the piece that I think the NCAA can control. They don't have to declare the player that has been drafted, but not signed ineligible. It isn't an NBA rule that keeps them from returning to school to play again.

 

[realorange]

And I am a little surprised at how this is being painted with a broad brush. Dennis Scott receiving a $70k “loan” does not equal Wendell Carter’s mother being treated to lunch.

But it's no different than #MeToo.
A lot of difference between rape and a pat on the butt. But the wave carries both as it does your example.

 

[Deano]

Hope these schools get nailed for letting these illegal players keep playing -
USC, Kentucky: Players eligible amid probe

 

[OttoinGrotto]

BS
There are a few players every year that are clearly nba ready - and those guys should be in the nba and not playing for a college team as a "student athlete"

Then why did the NBA decide to make them ineligible?