Is the proverbial shoe about to drop on college basketball royalty?

[Shark58]

I got no problem limiting it to individual player the problem is though they typically only make one new number each year. It is typically the best player's number.

Fans aren't buying volleyball player jerseys or lacrosse jerseys. Give football and basketball players a share of the profits from jersey sales isn't a lot to do.

setting up an online shop where any jersey from any sport could be easily ordered is simple. maybe allocate a percentage to the individual athlete and a much smaller portion as part of a pool to the teammates, but all of this gets nowhere.

however you set it up for an individual player to monetize their college career is defacto inviting corruption. what is stopping a booster promising to buy 200,000 jerseys?

if you want the players to be paid, just make it legal and transparent. eventually it will settle into a market and it will be what it is. both the schools and the players will make coin. there will still haves and have nots and schools in the middle trending one way or another. Perhaps even remove MB and FB from the current set up and allow them to play under separate rules from the rest of the sports, and give those paid athletes schollies away to real student athletes instead of the partials they currently get.

 

[Cusesky8214]

 

[Alsacs]

setting up an online shop where any jersey from any sport could be easily ordered is simple. maybe allocate a percentage to the individual athlete and a much smaller portion as part of a pool to the teammates, but all of this gets nowhere.

however you set it up for an individual player to monetize their college career is defacto inviting corruption. what is stopping a booster promising to buy 200,000 jerseys?

if you want the players to be paid, just make it legal and transparent. eventually it will settle into a market and it will be what it is. both the schools and the players will make coin. there will still haves and have nots and schools in the middle trending one way or another. Perhaps even remove MB and FB from the current set up and allow them to play under separate rules from the rest of the sports, and give those paid athletes schollies away to real student athletes instead of the partials they currently get.

If a booster wants to buy 200k jerseys at 40-50 dollars a pop good for that player.
If the player is worth that kind of support they must be really good.

 

[Shark58]

LOL

 

[Shark58]

If a booster wants to buy 200k jerseys at 40-50 dollars a pop good for that player.
If the player is worth that kind of support they must be really good.

correct

there was a good conversation about it on some sports talk radio I had on in the background over the weekend. the bottom line was that no matter how you set up a payment system, some teams will find a way to use it to continue this "black market" where shady stuff is going down. the better alternative is to admit that these kids should be paid and find ways to make sure that anything that happens is out in the open. no need for deceptions. whatever the form of payments may be (merchandising, direct pay, sponsorships, endorsements, etc.) make them transparent, like with Olympic athletes (admittedly, the they brought up the olympic kids. I don't know how shady things are with them)

 

[Toga]

Yup - through Thamel, the NCAA wants everyone to know that they are on the ob.

 

[maxxyz]

Soccer, Volleyball, Swimming, Hockey, Lacrosse players don't deserve any of the money that Tyus Battle #25 or Eric Dungey #2 jersey sales generate.

That money would get split by revenue generating sports. So divide 150k by 100 and that would be an extra 1500 dollars a player.

Again - under current rules it must be split between all sports. Anything that mens sports gets all must get under Title IX requirements.

 

[maxxyz]

If a booster wants to buy 200k jerseys at 40-50 dollars a pop good for that player.
If the player is worth that kind of support they must be really good.

Which is exactly why it won’t work. Every top recruit will go to the schools with the most booster money. You might as well make college basketball with 12 schools in the A league which gets all the top recruits and every body else in the B league.

And BTW - don’t kid yourself. SU would be in the B league.

 

[joct]

correct

there was a good conversation about it on some sports talk radio I had on in the background over the weekend. the bottom line was that no matter how you set up a payment system, some teams will find a way to use it to continue this "black market" where shady stuff is going down. the better alternative is to admit that these kids should be paid and find ways to make sure that anything that happens is out in the open. no need for deceptions. whatever the form of payments may be (merchandising, direct pay, sponsorships, endorsements, etc.) make them transparent, like with Olympic athletes (admittedly, the they brought up the olympic kids. I don't know how shady things are with them)

Kind of reminds me of Joe Pesci's character's line in Casino during narration..."If somebody helps you steal, even if you take care of him real good, he's gonna steal a bit extra for himself. Makes sense, don't it? Well you try making these old guys understand that".

 

[MSOrange]

Florida fans throw money, chant 'FBI' at Auburn players

 

[kmart128]

I was really hoping that Wisconsin fans would chant Cheater everytime Bridges touched the ball or went to free throw line.

 

[Hoo's That]

Stupid chit like this does nothing but divide.
God shut up SVG.
The 1 and done rule is so teams get a 1 year look at these players against more even competition.

God he is so dumb. Robert Swift went from HS to the Seattle Supersonics he got a promise and stop working out for other teams. He went ridiculously high and was a bust. If he goes to college he doesn't get picked in the lottery.

The words racist is thrown out way too casually. If a person is racist they are evil.

I always thought it was the owners begging the players to "Stop me before I draft the next Kwame Brown".

 

[Fly Rodder]

Again - under current rules it must be split between all sports. Anything that mens sports gets all must get under Title IX requirements.

Rules/laws can be rewritten. Or, alternatively, remove men's revenue athletics from the purview of the university and make them a sports academy subsidiary which would be subject to a whole new set of laws and regulations. The NCAA system is perfectly fine for non-revenue sports. It's this bizarre gray area where a very small subset of athletes are generating billions of dollars for a cartel and aren't allowed to negotiate anything or even get professional advice or cream cheese on a bagel. It's obvious that even recruits outside of the top-50 are worth way more to a school than a scholarship that they're not very interested in.

every top recruit will go to the schools with the most booster money.

As opposed to now?

 

[joct]

I always thought it was the owners begging the players to "Stop me before I draft the next Kwame Brown".

It pretty much was. They even admitted as much. They had a lot of statements like "we don't want to be sending our scouts into high school gyms".

 

[cuse10]

With that thinking why would Howard Washington deserve any money derived from the sale of Tyus Battle jerseys?

And how do you value the worth of the name on the front vs the name on the back? People buy Cuse jerseys each year without regard to the name on the back. In fact in the day and age of the one and done give me a Jersey with no name on the back. If I have a choice of numbers give me 15 or 44, don’t waste my time with 25, 11 or 23.

You follow the Olympic model. It is really that simple. You people are hellbent on denying them the ability to profit off of their name. Let revenue generating athletes sign deals with local businesses and make money from their autographs. That's how you gauge who really has value. These guys have huge social media followings. Why can't Isaiah Washington profit from the Jelly Fam brand? Why can a student that goes to SU that develops a hit song or a patent be allowed to profit from their work, but someone who helps bring in millions of dollars in TV contracts, merchandise and ticketing get a piece of the pie? As far as non revenue generating sports, they should be happy that football and basketball subsidize the sports that allow them to keep playing at a higher level. That's payment enough.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

So, male student athletes can get paid, and female student athletes can pound sand.

That's the plan?

I wonder how many Title IX lawyers are drooling over the potential lawsuits.

 

[Alsacs]

So, male student athletes can get paid, and female student athletes can pound sand.

That's the plan?

I wonder how many Title IX lawyers are drooling over the potential lawsuits.

Yeah that’s the plan.
The players earning the extra revenue are getting a cut.
The players not earning the extra revenue are not getting a cut.

If UConn women sell jerseys they will get a cut.
If Syracuse women don’t sell jerseys they don’t deserve a cut.

Why take this in a direction not necessary. There is no discrimination.

They aren’t going to get paid. They are getting royalities for sales they draw.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

Yeah that’s the plan.
The players earning the extra revenue are getting a cut.
The players not earning the extra revenue are not getting a cut.

If UConn women sell jerseys they will get a cut.
If Syracuse women don’t sell jerseys they don’t deserve a cut.

Why take this in a direction not necessary. There is no discrimination.

They aren’t going to get paid. They are getting royalities for sales they draw.

What happens when Dungey gets a nice paycheck, and the 5 guys up front blocking for him get nothing.

You think that's going to play well in the locker room?

 

[Budley]

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Schools could give the players a cut of the jersey sales they get from football and basketball.
I bought a Damien Rhodes #1 and this Hakim Warrick #1 while he was in college.

A couple extra thousand dollars per basketball and football player wouldn't hurt the schools. Also bring back EA Sports College Football game and give each kid a reasonable amount of money from mid hundreds to a couple thousand for their likeness to be used in the game.

Why should Herbie, Corso, Nessler get paid from the game but the players nothing.

I think proposals like this just move the bar. Suppose every kid gets $1000/Mo, you will still have outside influences (be they boosters, agents, shoe companies, whatever) who will pay more to swing the kid to Kentucky. Nothing changes, just that some approved compensation goes in the kids pocket first.

 

[Alsacs]

What happens when Dungey gets a nice paycheck, and the 5 guys up front blocking for him get nothing.

You think that's going to play well in the locker room?

You don’t think Dungey already takes care of his OL?
QBs always take care of their OL.

It’s like all sports. You sell jerseys you get a larger royalty.
They could copy the Pro model. The individual player gets 2/3s of the royalty money from their jersey sales and the 1/3 is split among all players.

So that the players selling the jerseys get rewarded.

Split 1/3 among the team. Give the player 2/3s.

 

[Fly Rodder]

What happens when Dungey gets a nice paycheck, and the 5 guys up front blocking for him get nothing.

You think that's going to play well in the locker room?

What's your solution? It seems like the current one isn't working, except for coaches and administrators.

This whole thing is about fitting square pegs into round holes. Every realistic solution, except pure amateur athletic fantasyland, has problems. But that's what happens when massive mental gymnastics are required to justify the existence of massive rigged cartel.

 

[UnknownOrange]

I wonder what would happen if it was set up where instead of a scholarship, kids were given the option to either take a scholarship & no money or take 75% of scholarship in payments - and not attend classes. That'd be interesting.

 

[Ryand877]

I wonder what would happen if it was set up where instead of a scholarship, kids were given the option to either take a scholarship & no money or take 75% of scholarship in payments - and not attend classes. That'd be interesting.

Then we might as well not even call it college basketball.

 

[Alsacs]

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I think proposals like this just move the bar. Suppose every kid gets $1000/Mo, you will still have outside influences (be they boosters, agents, shoe companies, whatever) who will pay more to swing the kid to Kentucky. Nothing changes, just that some approved compensation goes in the kids pocket first.

Agents are going nowhere because they always want more clients.
I am talking about the fact players earn millions of dollars for schools in jersey sales and before O’Bannon lawsuit from video games.

The fact kids don’t get compensation for this is just stupid.
Give the kids a cut of the money they are earning for the schools. It’s their likeness and popularity selling jerseys.

Agents will still be a problem. That is on the NCAA to fix. I am talking about the fact you can buy this

And the school gets all the money and Tebow got none of it.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

When a recruit asks "How much am I going to get paid from jersey sales at Syracuse? Because I've already been guaranteed X amount of money in weekly sales if I commit to a BiG or SEC school" what does Dino or JB tell him?