It may be Time

[GoSU96]

You know the players went on strike at least twice and maybe three times in preseason over the lack of COVID testing, right?

You also know that a bunch of players opted out, and not all of them did it preseason, like Cisco, for example.

Do you think that points to things being well behind the scenes? The body language of the players during games is not very good.

Dawson is the only official Covid sit. Who's the rest of the "bunch"?

Adams and Howard left for their reasons, might be Covid, might seeing their playing time was threatened, maybe they saw that it made no sense to put wear on the tires for them, who knows.

Are you saying three = "a bunch"?

Cisco tweaked his knee, what does that have to do with anything except he's not going to put his draft status further in jeopardy. The guy is a lock to get drafted, what does that have to do with "trouble behind closed doors"?

Yeah Jackson left what last January, any other early declarees last year?

Kids aren't stupid, with all the injuries they aren't really competitive, it's a developmental year with 11 for this team scrimmages.

 

[CuseOnly]

They redid it the next year. You remember that, right?

Yes, right up to the level of the new Liverpool HS locker room. Fantastic, it is no longer pre historic. Are you aware of what other far far lesser schools than Syracuse University have for locker rooms?

 

[nzm136]

Yes, right up to the level of the new Liverpool HS locker room. Fantastic, it is no longer pre historic. Are you aware of what other far far lesser schools than Syracuse University have for locker rooms?

This is another thing that drives me nuts. I get not having a mini golf course, 5 star accompdations, etc., like Oregon, Clemson, and (probably) Alabama have, but I feel like a locker room is cheap to snazz up.

I get not going all the way to LSU, where they have weird sleeping pods for some reason (that reason is purely to show recruits ... there's no way anyone has slept on one of those, ever). We probably don't have the space, and expanding the actual room irself is probably hard/expensive. But paint, carpeting, LED lights, and a coupld or projectors can go a long way, and they're cheap. I get that 99% of kids aren't going to be swayed by LED lights, but 1% is one extra talented kid on the team (assuming ~20-25 kids a year for 4-5 years), which is a huge difference.

We don't have the cash that Alabama does, so we can't go toe to toe, but we can at least grab the low-hanging fruit, especially sicne we spread the cost over football, lax, and basketball. (I assume we use the same locker rooms for all 3 sports.)

 

[Bayside44]

This is another thing that drives me nuts. I get not having a mini golf course, 5 star accompdations, etc., like Oregon, Clemson, and (probably) Alabama have, but I feel like a locker room is cheap to snazz up.

I get not going all the way to LSU, where they have weird sleeping pods for some reason (that reason is purely to show recruits ... there's no way anyone has slept on one of those, ever). We probably don't have the space, and expanding the actual room irself is probably hard/expensive. But paint, carpeting, LED lights, and a coupld or projectors can go a long way, and they're cheap. I get that 99% of kids aren't going to be swayed by LED lights, but 1% is one extra talented kid on the team (assuming ~20-25 kids a year for 4-5 years), which is a huge difference.

We don't have the cash that Alabama does, so we can't go toe to toe, but we can at least grab the low-hanging fruit, especially sicne we spread the cost over football, lax, and basketball. (I assume we use the same locker rooms for all 3 sports.)

Are you talking the Dome or the football complex where they spend most of their time?

 

[GoSU96]

Are you talking the Dome or the football complex where they spend most of their time?

There is only so much they can do with the dome locker-room. They don't practice there anymore, doesn't make sense to drop any more money there than necessary. They use it six or seven times a year.

The money has to go into the football complex.

 

[nzm136]

Are you talking the Dome or the football complex where they spend most of their time?

Both. The stuff is cheap, and the point is to sell an image, not better store helmets. (But I was referencing the Dome specifically when I mentioned spreading the cost.)

The first video that I saw of the LSU locker room reveal had some player repeating “this is why LSU” because they gave him a (almost) glorified KLM transatlantic business class airline seat. The school then got to put the video clip on Twitter and YouTube for countless recruits to see. I’m not saying we raid desert junkyards for old airline parts. I am, however, saying we should win the low effort, high RoI part of the arms race, and I’m not thoroughly convinced that we are. (Albeit in complete fairness, I think we’re doing way better than we were.)

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[Bayside44]

Both. The stuff is cheap, and the point is to sell an image, not better store helmets. (But I was referencing the Dome specifically when I mentioned spreading the cost.)

The first video that I saw of the LSU locker room reveal had some player repeating “this is why LSU” because they gave him a (almost) glorified KLM transatlantic business class airline seat. The school then got to put the video clip on Twitter and YouTube for countless recruits to see. I’m not saying we raid desert junkyards for old airline parts. I am, however, saying we should win the low effort, high RoI part of the arms race, and I’m not thoroughly convinced that we are. (Albeit in complete fairness, I think we’re doing way better than we were.)

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Manley got redone and I would expect something new coming as well. It's currently fine, not insane.

Hopefully those LSU kids took comfort in those seats after the beatdown Auburn just gave them.

 

[FloridaFan]

Manley got redone and I would expect something new coming as well. It's currently fine, not insane.

Hopefully those LSU kids took comfort in those seats after the beatdown Auburn just gave them.

I’m sure they took comfort in them last year when they won the title.

 

[Bayside44]

I’m sure they took comfort in them last year when they won the title.

Sure look a lot different without a one year transfer QB from Ohio State.

 

[FloridaFan]

Sure look a lot different without a one year transfer QB from Ohio State.

They do. But if you give us lee way for a new coordinator then you have to give them some too. I’d still take a lot of their players on our team. Would you

 

[Bayside44]

They do. But if you give us lee way for a new coordinator then you have to give them some too. I’d still take a lot of their players on our team. Would you

Those players would win more here than with Eddie O. Not sure 85 deep south kids would come to Syracuse.

I was more about diminishing returns on some of the toys. That airplane thing looks pretty dumb.

 

[nzm136]

Manley got redone and I would expect something new coming as well. It's currently fine, not insane.

Hopefully those LSU kids took comfort in those seats after the beatdown Auburn just gave them.

That’s my point. I can understand being late to an IPF. I can understand being late to special turf for practice fields. I don’t get not knocking socks off with locker rooms. You sell the sizzle, especially when it’s cheap. No recruit ever said “awesome practice field turf!” Recruits have been wowed by IPF’s, but they’re expensive. Locker rooms grab attention, and they’re cheap. Winning that battle is a must have.

Fixing the outside of the Dome (different, but related rant lol) is the same. It’s a high visibility area with what should be a cheap fix.

 

[nzm136]

Those players would win more here than with Eddie O. Not sure 85 deep south kids would come to Syracuse.

I was more about diminishing returns on some of the toys. That airplane thing looks pretty dumb.

Oh, it is dumb, but those 85 Deep South kids who we’d kill to get wearing Orange were excited about them.

It’s all sales, and we aren’t the audience. 17 year old kids are.

 

[Bayside44]

That’s my point. I can understand being late to an IPF. I can understand being late to special turf for practice fields. I don’t get not knocking socks off with locker rooms. You sell the sizzle, especially when it’s cheap. No recruit ever said “awesome practice field turf!” Recruits have been wowed by IPF’s, but they’re expensive. Locker rooms grab attention, and they’re cheap. Winning that battle is a must have.

Fixing the outside of the Dome (different, but related rant lol) is the same. It’s a high visibility area with what should be a cheap fix.

The Manley thing is fixed space. Until they build something more they did the best with what they had.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

They don't publicly announce it.
We're down about 1/3 of our total roster, right?
Are you telling me that no one else opted out?

3 opt outs.

A couple of D's (Goulbourne and Munoz). I haven't spotted them with the injured players on the bench. Don't know if they dress but just don't play.

And Clarke.

Everyone else is accounted for.

0​	McKinley Williams	DL	Played
2​	Ifeatu Melifonwu	DB	Played
3​	Taj Harris	WR	Played
4​	Nykeim Johnson	WR	Played
5​	Chris Elmore	OL	Played
6​	Trill Williams	DB	Played
7​	Andre Cisco	DB	Played until Injured
9​	Kingsley Jonathan	DL	Played
10​	Adrian Cole	DB	Played
11​	Dillon Markiewicz	QB	Dressed - Redshirt
11​	Ja'Had Carter	DB	Played
11​	Devon Clarke	DB	???
12​	Latarie Kinsler	DL	Injured
12​	Russell Thompson-Bishop	WR	Played
13​	Mikel Jones	LB	Played
13​	Tommy DeVito	QB	Played until Injured
14​	Garrett Williams	DB	Played
14​	Anthony Queeley	WR	Played
15​	JaCobian Morgan	QB	Played
15​	Neil Nunn	DB	Played until Injured
16​	Leon Lowery	DL	Played
16​	David Summers	QB	Dressed
17​	Steve Linton	DL	Played
17​	Rex Culpepper	QB	Played
18​	Edward Hendrix	WR	Played
19​	Rob Hanna	DB	Played
19​	Sharod Johnson	WR	Played
20​	Cam Jonas	DB	Played
21​	Lee Kpogba	LB	Played
22​	Markenzy Pierre	RB	Played
23​	Abdul Adams	RB	Opt Out
24​	Anwar Sparrow	LB	Redshirt
24​	Cooper Lutz	RB	Played
25​	Jawhar Jordan	RB	Played until Injured
26​	Aman Greenwood	DB	Played
27​	Stefon Thompson	LB	Played
28​	Ben Labrosse	DB	Played
28​	Jarveon Howard	RB	Opt Out
29​	Trebor Pena	RB	Played
31​	Geoff Cantin-Arku	LB	Played
32​	Marlowe Wax Jr.	LB	Played
34​	Sean Tucker	RB	Played until Injured
34​	Eric Coley	DB	Played until Injured
35​	Chase Atkinson	DB	Redshirt
42​	Tyrell Richards	LB	Played
47​	Maximilian Mang	TE	Played
51​	Anthony Red	OL	Injured
52​	Carlos Vettorello	OL	Played
52​	Curtis Harper	DL	Played
53​	Garth Barclay	OL	Played
55​	Josh Ilaoa	OL	Played
56​	Darius Tisdale	OL	Played
57​	Dakota Davis	OL	Injured
60​	Matthew Bergeron	OL	Played
61​	Joe Rondi	DL	Injured
67​	Chris Bleich	OL	Injured - NCAA
68​	Airon Servais	OL	Played
69​	Patrick Davis	OL	Played until Injured
70​	Willem Froumy	OL	Injured
72​	Mark Petry	OL	Played
76​	Qadir White	OL	Injured
80​	Isaiah Jones	WR	Played
81​	Justin Barron	WR	Played
82​	Damien Alford	WR	Played
85​	Courtney Jackson	WR	Played
85​	Josh Black	DL	Played
86​	Ja'Vontae Williams	WR	Played
87​	Luke Benson	TE	Played
88​	Steven Mahar Jr.	TE	Played
88​	Andrew Tuazama	DL	Played
89​	Aaron Hackett	TE	Played
90​	Ishmael Goulbourne	LB	???
91​	Andre Szmyt	K	Played
92​	Jason Munoz	DL	???
93​	Caleb Okechukwu	DL	Played
94​	Kevin Lemieux	DL	Redshirt
95​	Cooper Dawson	DL	Opt Out
97​	Cody Roscoe	DL	Played
98​	James Williams	P	Redshirt
99​	Zach Morton	DL	Played

 

[nzm136]

The Manley thing is fixed space. Until they build something more they did the best with what they had.

And their best wasn’t good enough in my eyes.

I’ve explicitly addressed being understanding about space. I completely get not having a special 6 hour flight simulator for every kid. That requires a significant (expensive) investment. I get that. I don’t get getting blown away by MAC schools.

Honestly, there’s a South American prison that’s thanking their lucky stars that they don’t have our facilities.

 

[Bayside44]

And their best wasn’t good enough in my eyes.

I’ve explicitly addressed being understanding about space. I completely get not having a special 6 hour flight simulator for every kid. That requires a significant (expensive) investment. I get that. I don’t get getting blown away by MAC schools.

Honestly, there’s a South American prison that’s thanking their lucky stars that they don’t have our facilities.

Have you ever been in there? They can cut the team in half and have really nice space like hoop and lax.

They have rows because there isn't enough space for the circular locker room.

Our biggest and yet least posted about issue is that the region doesn't produce program players anymore.

 

[007]

The Manley thing is fixed space. Until they build something more they did the best with what they had.

Manley is an opportunity going forward...

 

[Stevenson]

Amen to that!

It's also why I'm so annoyed with the Dome exterior. I feel like a relatively small investment (covering up the rollercoaster) would lead to a HUGE percieved imporvement in facilities, which we desperately need. There are times to go cheap, and that isn't it. The cost-reward ratio is far too favorable.

EDIT: We probably also need to come up with some kind of wrap to go around the outside, as the walls will now clash with basicallyanything that we put on top due to a 40(!) year difference in age.

There is not recruit who gives a about what the outside of the dome looks like. When people talk about facilities, they are talking about locker rooms, weight rooms, athlete lounge areas, living facilities, etc...

 

[nzm136]

There is not recruit who gives a about what the outside of the dome looks like. When people talk about facilities, they are talking about locker rooms, weight rooms, athlete lounge areas, living facilities, etc...

Tell that to every school that’s good at football. They all disagree.

These guys might agree with you, though:

...until they built something that doesn’t look like it marched out of a circus and subsequently joined a power conference.

But prove me wrong. Find a handful of elite school stadiums that look like they got lost at the Iowa state fair.

 

[nzm136]

Have you ever been in there? They can cut the team in half and have really nice space like hoop and lax.

They have rows because there isn't enough space for the circular locker room.

Our biggest and yet least posted about issue is that the region doesn't produce program players anymore.

Good Lord, Syracuse’s lack of local talent is covered ad nauseam. How you’re concluding that it’s lightly posted is an absolute mystery to me. In fact, I’ll go on record as being thoroughly impressed if you can find a single post from any poster ever who has suggested that upstate NY is a rich recruiting area for football.

Also, if you’re myopic enough to not grasp that we can beat MAC locker rooms without expanding, then I’m not sure what to say other than you have a bright future in bookkeeping.

 

[Willy75]

Good Lord, Syracuse’s lack of local talent is covered ad nauseam. How you’re concluding that it’s lightly posted is an absolute mystery to me. In fact, I’ll go on record as being thoroughly impressed if you can find a single post from any poster ever who has suggested that upstate NY is a rich recruiting area for football.

Also, if you’re myopic enough to not grasp that we can beat MAC locker rooms without expanding, then I’m not sure what to say other than you have a bright future in bookkeeping.

Buffalo and Rochester have decent talent now and then; unfortunately most of those players end up someplace like Pitt.

 

[CuseGrad94]

Buffalo and Rochester have decent talent now and then; unfortunately most of those players end up someplace like Pitt.

Always bugs me when Pitt gets good players from the Buffalo area

 

[Stern]

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3 years ago, you wanted to be his fluffer...

So...were you clueless then? Clueless now? Or has your "expert" football opinion "evolved"?

Curious board denizens would like to know...

And to be clear, he is far from the only poster who wanted to lock him up for life 3 years ago and now wants to fire him...

lol, things change bro! It ain't 2017 anymore

 

[Cuse69]

So dino is going to have 2 losing seasons a bowl season (10 wins) and 2 more losing seasons including more than likely a 1-2 win season, if dino doesn't make a bowl next season he has nothing to sell, can't go two losing seasons then make a bowl and then go 3 losing seasons. But if they go say 5-7 get an upset ranked win and look like the teams from his first 3 years, depending on his contract- whether he deserves it or not he could be back for year 7.