It's becoming Increasingly Clear

[CuseOnly]

that you can't field a top notch D1 Football team on a private school budget.

I seriously feel like I am being duped into spending money on tickets to watch this team play.

What was the last private school that was able to play for the playoff or national championship?
Notre Dame 2012 and before that Miami in 2001, things have changed since then.

Can't even be competitive on a shoestring budget unless you want a 10 win season every 15-20 years.

Sad.

 

[SUGIANT]

I feel like I’m back in the 90s. Wonder if Miami, Notre dame, BC, Duke, etc think this...

 

[OrangeinBoston]

Tell that to Wake Forest.

 

[Scooch]

Baylor is pretty decent.

Budget is fine. Dino has the money to hire who he wants as staff. The problem is who he wants.

 

[samspann1]

"Top Notch"?

I'd settle for bowl-eligible every year.

 

[phil77]

Money spent is fine. New facilities. Dome upgrades. Coaching staff decently paid. The problem is Dino needs to get the right people both on the sidelines and on the field...

Needs to hire new offensive and defensive coordinators. And some new assistant coaches that specialize in recruiting.

 

[Shrmdougluvr]

that you can't field a top notch D1 Football team on a private school budget.

I seriously feel like I am being duped into spending money on tickets to watch this team play.

What was the last private school that was able to play for the playoff or national championship?
Notre Dame 2012 and before that Miami in 2001, things have changed since then.

Can't even be competitive on a shoestring budget unless you want a 10 win season every 15-20 years.

Sad.

Notre Dame, last year.

 

[mayselc]

Here are the FBS private schools.
Baylor, Boston College, Brigham Young, Duke, Miami, Northwestern, Notre Dame, Rice, Southern California, Southern Methodist, Stanford, Syracuse, Texas Christian, Tulane, Tulsa, Vanderbilt and Wake Forest.

Difficult to field a champion, but there are plenty of top-25 schools in this list.

We are not asking for a championship. We are asking for a competitive team.

 

[Alsacs]

This is just factually wrong.
It’s all about location of talent.
NY State doesn’t produce the quality of athletes for footballs FL, TX, CA even though the state has a high population.
NY does produce basketball talent each year though.

 

[OburgOrange]

Here are the FBS private schools.
Baylor, Boston College, Brigham Young, Duke, Miami, Northwestern, Notre Dame, Rice, Southern California, Southern Methodist, Stanford, Syracuse, Texas Christian, Tulane, Tulsa, Vanderbilt and Wake Forest.

Difficult to field a champion, but there are plenty of top-25 schools in this list.

We are not asking for a championship. We are asking for a competitive team.

Why can’t we have a championship?

 

[CuseOnly]

Here are the FBS private schools.
Baylor, Boston College, Brigham Young, Duke, Miami, Northwestern, Notre Dame, Rice, Southern California, Southern Methodist, Stanford, Syracuse, Texas Christian, Tulane, Tulsa, Vanderbilt and Wake Forest.

Difficult to field a champion, but there are plenty of top-25 schools in this list.

We are not asking for a championship. We are asking for a competitive team.

And we don't have that...and we also don't have even competitive living quarters for football players compared to FCS schools.

The roof won't mean a thing if the kids don't actually see and feel the benefits of coming here.

The roof on the dome is like the roof on your house. If it breaks or doesn't keep the water/snow out you have to replace it, it's not like having a roof with bells and whistles benefits the kids at all. You have to have a roof on a domed stadium.

Football athletes are still living in facilities that were built back when...the 70's, 80's...

I seriously feel like I am being misled and fleeced

 

[mayselc]

Syracuse is only 250 miles from Penn State, and they seem to find plenty of in-state talent.

Is PA football really that much more competitive that NY?

 

[RoysRunts]

It's not the scheme it's the Talent.

 

[dasher]

Syracuse is only 250 miles from Penn State, and they seem to find plenty of in-state talent.

Is PA football really that much more competitive that NY?

Are you really asking that? Take a look each year at how many p-5 football players come from New York as compared to penn.

 

[CuseOnly]

Syracuse is only 250 miles from Penn State, and they seem to find plenty of in-state talent.

Is PA football really that much more competitive that NY?

In a word, yes. They are a huge land grant university with unlimited funds with more history and tradition than we have. Yes they are scumbags in recent history but that clearly doesn't stop top notch athletes from going there.

Next question.

 

[CuseOnly]

It's not the scheme it's the Talent.

Yep it is. And SU makes half hearted attempts to cater to talent.

Dino will be gone soon when he realizes the administration really doesn't care about being competitive over being profitable. At the expense of the fans.

 

[PAcuse]

Syracuse is only 250 miles from Penn State, and they seem to find plenty of in-state talent.

Is PA football really that much more competitive that NY?

Yes
Pitt and Philly area have huge amounts of talent
Pitt, PSU, and Ohio St clear out the Allegheny region each year and so much better then what NY puts out.

 

[mayselc]

In a word, yes. They are a huge land grant university with unlimited funds with more history and tradition than we have. Yes they are scumbags in recent history but that clearly doesn't stop top notch athletes from going there.

Next question.

I was talking about in-state HS talent, not their overall recruiting. NY produces a handful of five-star recruits every year and they go to out-of state programs. And not for better on-campus housing. They go where they think they can win.

 

[DocFlanders]

Tell that to Wake Forest.

Since when is WF top notch? They have crumbled the last few weeks, and are far from the clemsons and Georgia’s of the world

 

[Alsacs]

I was talking about in-state HS talent, not their overall recruiting. NY produces a handful of five-star recruits every year and they go to out-of state programs. And not for better on-campus housing. They go where they think they can win.

New York has only 2 four star recruits in the entire this year.

2019 Top Football Recruits in New York

The 247Sports rankings are determined by our recruiting analysts after countless hours of personal observations, film evaluation and input from our network of scouts.

247sports.com

That is tiny for a State with the population of New York.

 

[Alsacs]

North Carolina which has a population almost half that of New York has SIXTEEN 4 star recruits.

2019 Top Football Recruits in North Carolina

The 247Sports rankings are determined by our recruiting analysts after countless hours of personal observations, film evaluation and input from our network of scouts.

247sports.com

 

[mayselc]

New York has only 2 four star recruits in the entire this year.

2019 Top Football Recruits in New York

The 247Sports rankings are determined by our recruiting analysts after countless hours of personal observations, film evaluation and input from our network of scouts.

247sports.com

That is tiny for a State with the population of New York.

I didn't realize the talent levels had gotten so low in NY. Are the big downstate programs (LI and NY suburbs) not attracting top athletes? Maybe the reality of CTE is finally pushing parents to steer their kids to non-contact sports. Maybe it really is the end of FBS football in NY.

 

[OrangeinBoston]

Since when is WF top notch? They have crumbled the last few weeks, and are far from the clemsons and Georgia’s of the world

Wake is 7 - 3 (don't you wish we were 7 - 3?) and have won their bowls the last 3 years and are bowl eligible again. Don't you wish we were bowl eligible?

 

[rrlbees]

Yep it is. And SU makes half hearted attempts to cater to talent.

Dino will be gone soon when he realizes the administration really doesn't care about being competitive over being profitable. At the expense of the fans.

Oh just stop

 

[Alsacs]

I didn't realize the talent levels had gotten so low in NY. Are the big downstate programs (LI and NY suburbs) not attracting top athletes? Maybe the reality of CTE is finally pushing parents to steer their kids to non-contact sports. Maybe it really is the end of FBS football in NY.

I am sure it has to do with the danger of football. Also basketball and lacrosse are the top sports for kids in NY and sadly kids aren’t playing all sports and just specializing in one.

if NYS produced more high quality athletes we would recruit better.