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[KaiserUEO]

Would he?

It be less stress on his back than taking it to the hoop...and he be drunk, so yeah.

 

[Melancer46]

Rumor is Boston if Blake Griffin will agree to play for Boston.

The Celtics would offer to trade Isaiah Thomas, Jae Crowder, Marcus Smart in a sign and Trade for Blake.

Boston would try to also sign Gordon Hayward.

Make their starting lineup next year.

Fultz, Bradley, Hayward, Griffin, Horford.
Would this lineup take more than one game from Cleveland?

Where did you see this rumor?

 

[Alsacs]

Where did you see this rumor?

I have a guy in the Celtics scouting staff.
He told me Ainge ideal plan is too get both Hayward and Griffin thru the methods I described.
Boston is taking Markelle Fultz first overall.

Ainge doesn't want to pay Isaiah Thomas. He wants Avery Bradley long term over Thomas.

Thus Ainge feels if he can get a commitment out of Hayward he turns to Blake and the Clippers with the offer I described. Draft picks will be involved likely as well. However if Blake can be talked into Boston giving Isaiah Thomas, Smart, Crowder is a real solid start to a sign and trade for the Clippers.

It's not like what I stated here is that hard to understand. With Blake's injury history it's not like Boston wouldn't be gambling.

 

[Knicks411]

I remember watching the '95 finals and thinking tons of threes were being made. I felt like they'd dump it into Hakeem and if he was doubled effectively he'd just kick it out and one of the shooters: Smith, Horry, Elie, Cassell...would hit a 3. They made 37 3's in 4 games.

Orlando was similar...dump it into Shaq, and Scott, Anderson, Shaw, and Penny would hit 3's off the kick outs. They made 41 3's in 4 games. It seemed like a ton.

This year's finals, the Warriors made 71 3's in 5 games and the Cavs made 66.

Something else to keep in mind; 95 was one of the 3 years they moved the 3 point line in like a foot and a half, so the 3 was theoretically even more attractive then. Here are the average # of 3's per game per team for the 90's, see if you can spot the years it was moved in

91: 7.1 attempted, 32%
92: 7.6, 33.1%
93: 9, 33.6%
94: 9.9, 33.6%
95: 15.3, 35.9%
96: 16, 36.7%
97: 16.8, 36%
98: 12.7, 34.6%
99: 13.2, 33.9%

So in the 90's, 3PA peaked at just under 17 per game. This year, Minnesota was last in the league in 3PA per game,. at 21.

Another 3 point fact i like, in 2013 the Knicks won 54 games, in large part because they spread the floor and took what was considered a ridiculous amount of 3's per game. They tied for the league lead with Houston at 28.9 taken per game. This year, the average team took 27.

 

[Melancer46]

I have a guy in the Celtics scouting staff.
He told me Ainge ideal plan is too get both Hayward and Griffin thru the methods I described.
Boston is taking Markelle Fultz first overall.

Ainge doesn't want to pay Isaiah Thomas. He wants Avery Bradley long term over Thomas.

Thus Ainge feels if he can get a commitment out of Hayward he turns to Blake and the Clippers with the offer I described. Draft picks will be involved likely as well. However if Blake can be talked into Boston giving Isaiah Thomas, Smart, Crowder is a real solid start to a sign and trade for the Clippers.

It's not like what I stated here is that hard to understand. With Blake's injury history it's not like Boston wouldn't be gambling.

The overall premise makes sense; just honestly surprised Boston would offer that much in a sign-and-trade. Usually a sign-and-trade results in the other team getting basically nothing in return. If I remember right, Cleveland got two late first round picks in return for LeBron when he was sign-and-traded to Miami. Likewise for Bosh.

 

[CuseFaninVT]

I hope the Blake part fails.

I grow tired of Boston based teams overpaying for beyond their prime talent. See the starting rotation of the red Sox for current examples.

It makes sense; just honestly surprised Boston would offer that much in a sign-and-trade. Usually a sign-and-trade results in the other team getting basically nothing in return. If I remember right, Cleveland got two late first round picks in return for LeBron when he was sign-and-traded to Miami. Likewise for Bosh.

 

[kirbivore]

pachulia is the biggest bum in the league

he already served his goon purpose

 

[Knicks411]

The overall premise makes sense; just honestly surprised Boston would offer that much in a sign-and-trade. Usually a sign-and-trade results in the other team getting basically nothing in return. If I remember right, Cleveland got two late first round picks in return for LeBron when he was sign-and-traded to Miami. Likewise for Bosh.

I assume the logic is they can't sign Heyward and Blake both into cap space (I'm presuming this is correct) so you'd need to match the salaries to make a deal for Griffin work and then you sign Heyward into cap space.

 

[Melancer46]

I assume the logic is they can't sign Heyward and Blake both into cap space (I'm presuming this is correct) so you'd need to match the salaries to make a deal for Griffin work and then you sign Heyward into cap space.

Yeah, but they could include, for example, Tyler Zeller instead of Crowder. Though this also depends on which pieces are moved to create the space for Hayward first.

 

[Alsacs]

Yeah, but they could include, for example, Tyler Zeller instead of Crowder. Though this also depends on which pieces are moved to create the space for Hayward first.

Knicks is correct.

The Celtics will renounce Olynyk and have enough room for one max contract.

Trading Isaiah, Crowder, Smart and Amir Johnson non guaranteed contract I believe they have an option for would be enough to get a second max.

 

[Melancer46]

Knicks is correct.

The Celtics will renounce Olynyk and have enough room for one max contract.

Trading Isaiah, Crowder, Smart and Amir Johnson non guaranteed contract I believe they have an option for would be enough to get a second max.

I get that, but wouldn't the Celtics include Zeller before Crowder or Smart? That just seems like a crazy amount to give up in a sign-and-trade, especially if they'd potentially be including draft picks as well.

 

[Alsacs]

I get that, but wouldn't the Celtics include Zeller before Crowder or Smart? That just seems like a crazy amount to give up in a sign-and-trade, especially if they'd potentially be including draft picks as well.

Celtics have Rozier so Smart honestly isn't a killer.
I believe Zeller is a UFA. I would keep Smart but I am thinking of what Doc would have to have to help Boston with a sign and trade.

The Clippers would need some legit stuff to help the deal.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

I get that, but wouldn't the Celtics include Zeller before Crowder or Smart? That just seems like a crazy amount to give up in a sign-and-trade, especially if they'd potentially be including draft picks as well.

Crowder would be the biggest outgoing salary. I don't think anything could work without that happening if they're trying to get both Griffin and Hayward.

 

[Alsacs]

Crowder would be the biggest outgoing salary. I don't think anything could work without that happening if they're trying to get both Griffin and Hayward.

Boston has a cap hold on Amir Johnson at 12 million I believe.

They can get this done. If Griffin agrees just like the Warriors had to have someone take Bogut off them.

 

[Melancer46]

Crowder would be the biggest outgoing salary. I don't think anything could work without that happening if they're trying to get both Griffin and Hayward.

Zeller > Crowder in terms of salary, so they could replace Crowder in the deal if they wanted. Then again, if Boston is acquiring both Hayward and Griffin, they might want to get rid of Crowder anyways due to the log jam at the forward positions.

 

[Alsacs]

Knicks are leaning Euro at 8th.

 

[cuseattle]

Knicks are leaning Euro at 8th.

6'5" pg with a 7 foot wingspan. He'd look good in Orange.

 

[two3zone]

I have a guy in the Celtics scouting staff.
He told me Ainge ideal plan is too get both Hayward and Griffin thru the methods I described.
Boston is taking Markelle Fultz first overall.

Ainge doesn't want to pay Isaiah Thomas. He wants Avery Bradley long term over Thomas.

Thus Ainge feels if he can get a commitment out of Hayward he turns to Blake and the Clippers with the offer I described. Draft picks will be involved likely as well. However if Blake can be talked into Boston giving Isaiah Thomas, Smart, Crowder is a real solid start to a sign and trade for the Clippers.

It's not like what I stated here is that hard to understand. With Blake's injury history it's not like Boston wouldn't be gambling.

All smart moves, a majority of Ainges have been. One hell of a GM. Lot of help from the Nets but he didn't blow it.

Wish we could've seen what Hinke would've done in Philly.

 

[MSOrange]

Report: Celtics considering taking Josh Jackson with No. 1 pick

 

[Alsacs]

Report: Celtics considering taking Josh Jackson with No. 1 pick

It's a bluff to see if the Lakers will give up anything to go from 2 to 1 if they want Jackson.

 

[Alsacs]

If Ainge trades the 1st pick for 3rd pick, Lakers pick next year, and another pick I will lose it.

Do not pass on Fultz for Josh Jackson.

 

[Alsacs]

Ainge is beyond dumb I don't care about the Lakers pick next year and the Kings 2019 unprotected pick.

If he passes on Fultz for these two picks plus 3rd overall he is trading horse for ponies. God I hate Ainge trading for more and more assets over getting a made thing.

Josh Jackson is same freaking player as Jaylen Brown. We don't need 2.

If Ainge thinks the Pelicans could be enticed for Anthony Davis with deal starting with the No. 3 this year, 2018 Lakers pick next year, 2018 Brooklyn pick, and 2019 Kings pick it won't happen Danny.

 

[MSOrange]

Ainge is beyond dumb I don't care about the Lakers pick next year and the Kings 2019 unprotected pick.

If he passes on Fultz for these two picks plus 3rd overall he is trading horse for ponies. God I hate Ainge trading for more and more assets over getting a made thing.

Josh Jackson is same freaking player as Jaylen Brown. We don't need 2.

If Ainge thinks the Pelicans could be enticed for Anthony Davis with deal starting with the No. 3 this year, 2018 Lakers pick next year, 2018 Brooklyn pick, and 2019 Kings pick it won't happen Danny.

I think Josh Jackson is better than Jaylen Brown, but beside the point. To your point, If we take Jackson, it would pretty much rule Brown a wasted pick. I'm not thrilled with this trade possibility either. I'd rather take Fultz and be done with it.

 

[Cusefan0307]

I think Ainge is brilliant. He hasn't made any trade yet. He's doing his due diligence to see who he can swindle yet again. My educated guess is he's trying to get Philly and the Lakers in a bidding war. Pretty smart if you ask me.

 

[Fireball Jr.]

Looks like it's a done deal, Celtics trade top pick to Philly. Fultz should be another strong piece on this young, talented, rebuilding team.