It's Time to Pull the Plug on Babers

[dasher]

Gentlemen,

Faith is belief without evidence...but we cannot believe if we had one fluke season out of four in Babers tenure here. Wildhack and the Athletic Department better get moving...and moving fast. Babers is in over his head. Look at the stats...

Our Record
2016...4-8
2017...4-8
2018...10-3; and I honestly do not give him much credit that year led by a senior quarterback in Eric Dungey, 5th year senior wideout in Custis, veteran offensive line and most importantly a weak strength of schedule. Louisville was down last year...Florida State was down last year...UNC was very bad that year, but are much better this year as they may make a bowl this year. That record was a paper tiger.
2019...soon to be 4-8 after an increase in season tickets.

Overall record...22-27 with a fluke 10-3 season in there. Guys the ACC is not a gauntlet...Take out the outlier and its an average record of 4-8. This is Shafer-esque. Our defense is getting shredded and our offense has been figured out.

Player Morale
Dino has lost this team...Harris with his outbursts which are visible on the field...players laughing and joking around on the sideline after getting their butts kicked in. DIno does not even look engaged on the sideline. I saw the same loss of emotion with Marrone the year before he left. It is a sense of giving up or he doesn't know how to fix the issue.

Recruiting
We are recruiting worse and worse every year. We are at the bottom of the ACC in recruiting even after a 10 win season. We already fired our D-coordinator. Face it---Dino's defense is pathetic with the talent that is back there. The offense is not the new fast as we have got out-gained throughout the year.

My passion is still there, but tonight and this season was an eye-opener. Disucss.

just who do you think they should bring in? Who would want it? We would have fired a coach one year after he won 10 games. Not much job security there. We had just fired the guy before him after only 3 years. No one with any options, would want this job under those conditions.

 

[MaxwellCuse]

Indiana stinks and Nebraska is mediocre.

Indiana has a winning record and is going bowling. Not bad in the B1G division they compete in. I wish SU stunk so much.

 

[dasher]

Probably should have fired Mac after his 5-7 year...you know, the one before the undefeated year.

There were a lot of people that thought so back then.

 

[Bayside44]

Indiana has a winning record and is going bowling. Not bad in the B1G division they compete in. I wish SU stunk so much.

First year since 2007 where they touched 7 wins. But yeah, more mediocre than stinks.

 

[JeffCuse]

Probably should have fired Mac after his 5-7 year...you know, the one before the undefeated year.

A) it was 5-6
B) prior to that 5-6 he had 3 consecutive winning seasons


I’d say apples and oranges but it’s more like apples and lawnmowers

Again...I don’t want him fired but let’s be fair

 

[dasher]

A) it was 5-6
B) prior to that 5-6 he had 3 consecutive winning seasons


I’d say apples and oranges but it’s more like apples and lawnmowers

Again...I don’t want him fired but let’s be fair

The schedule was far different in those days. Take a close look on who we played to go 6-5

 

[JeffCuse]

The schedule was far different in those days. Take a close look on who we played to go 6-5

That’s also when we had higher standards as a program. I’ll concede that point.

 

[dasher]

That’s also when we had higher standards as a program. I’ll concede that point.

What fun is that?

 

[WoadBlue]

I seem to have a tendency to come over here for a look when something interesting is going on.

Last year, before the season opened, I started a thread here saying that I believed that the losing HC of the UNC-Syracuse game would get fired. I was 100% confident of assertion because I had already concluded that Fedora had wasted most of the momentum from the 11-win 2015 team (which was less than it should have been because of decisions he'd made in 2013 and 2014).

The OP is stating that he thinks that this year is proof that Babers has wasted most of the momentum that should have come with a 10-win team last year.

I certainly don't know enough about the program to stake a case either way. But I am confident that you will know next year. That does not mean that all fans will accept it if Babers has another losing season in 2020. Any fans who have gotten emotionally invested in Babers may need to see 2 more losing teams after this one to admit that perhaps Babers is not the guy.

Babers notched a big win each of his first 2 years. I thought that was a good sign. Then 10 wins surely looked good. But this is back to losing, and lacking a hope-inducing big upset.

A week or so ago, either SI or ESPN had an article wondering if Nebraska had been down too long to evert get back to what it once was. If you allow yourself to stay down too long, just maybe you cannot ever get back to where you once were. Even if you are Nebraska.

 

[Forza Azzurri]

So does Jordan. Jackson

Tell that to Churchill.

Do some basic research. We dominated the sea, the skies and had far more troops, and tanks, on the ground.

 

[Forza Azzurri]

I seem to have a tendency to come over here for a look when something interesting is going on.

Last year, before the season opened, I started a thread here saying that I believed that the losing HC of the UNC-Syracuse game would get fired. I was 100% confident of assertion because I had already concluded that Fedora had wasted most of the momentum from the 11-win 2015 team (which was less than it should have been because of decisions he'd made in 2013 and 2014).

The OP is stating that he thinks that this year is proof that Babers has wasted most of the momentum that should have come with a 10-win team last year.

I certainly don't know enough about the program to stake a case either way. But I am confident that you will know next year. That does not mean that all fans will accept it if Babers has another losing season in 2020. Any fans who have gotten emotionally invested in Babers may need to see 2 more losing teams after this one to admit that perhaps Babers is not the guy.

Babers notched a big win each of his first 2 years. I thought that was a good sign. Then 10 wins surely looked good. But this is back to losing, and lacking a hope-inducing big upset.

A week or so ago, either SI or ESPN had an article wondering if Nebraska had been down too long to evert get back to what it once was. If you allow yourself to stay down too long, just maybe you cannot ever get back to where you once were. Even if you are Nebraska.

If Barbers is not the guy, then there is no guy.

And yes, I read the Nebraska article, and wonder the same thing about our program.

They have some of the same issues we do.

 

[JeffCuse]

I seem to have a tendency to come over here for a look when something interesting is going on.

Last year, before the season opened, I started a thread here saying that I believed that the losing HC of the UNC-Syracuse game would get fired. I was 100% confident of assertion because I had already concluded that Fedora had wasted most of the momentum from the 11-win 2015 team (which was less than it should have been because of decisions he'd made in 2013 and 2014).

The OP is stating that he thinks that this year is proof that Babers has wasted most of the momentum that should have come with a 10-win team last year.

I certainly don't know enough about the program to stake a case either way. But I am confident that you will know next year. That does not mean that all fans will accept it if Babers has another losing season in 2020. Any fans who have gotten emotionally invested in Babers may need to see 2 more losing teams after this one to admit that perhaps Babers is not the guy.

Babers notched a big win each of his first 2 years. I thought that was a good sign. Then 10 wins surely looked good. But this is back to losing, and lacking a hope-inducing big upset.

A week or so ago, either SI or ESPN had an article wondering if Nebraska had been down too long to evert get back to what it once was. If you allow yourself to stay down too long, just maybe you cannot ever get back to where you once were. Even if you are Nebraska.

This is a long discussion for a different thread, but I feel like we went from being a regular top 25 entrant with a fringe chance at a top 5-10 type season to a middling team in the early 2000s. The coaching style of that regime became stale and the admin was too slow to respond. Then when they did they panicked and made wrong hire and effectively poured gasoline over the smoldering burning our our program.

Had they made a move a couple years earlier they could have saved it. Had they made a better choice when they finally did they Maybe could have saved it. But those two errors in combination set us so far back and we have never fully recovered IMO.

 

[DoctorBombay]

I seem to have a tendency to come over here for a look when something interesting is going on.

Last year, before the season opened, I started a thread here saying that I believed that the losing HC of the UNC-Syracuse game would get fired. I was 100% confident of assertion because I had already concluded that Fedora had wasted most of the momentum from the 11-win 2015 team (which was less than it should have been because of decisions he'd made in 2013 and 2014).

The OP is stating that he thinks that this year is proof that Babers has wasted most of the momentum that should have come with a 10-win team last year.

I certainly don't know enough about the program to stake a case either way. But I am confident that you will know next year. That does not mean that all fans will accept it if Babers has another losing season in 2020. Any fans who have gotten emotionally invested in Babers may need to see 2 more losing teams after this one to admit that perhaps Babers is not the guy.

Babers notched a big win each of his first 2 years. I thought that was a good sign. Then 10 wins surely looked good. But this is back to losing, and lacking a hope-inducing big upset.

A week or so ago, either SI or ESPN had an article wondering if Nebraska had been down too long to evert get back to what it once was. If you allow yourself to stay down too long, just maybe you cannot ever get back to where you once were. Even if you are Nebraska.

All fair points, and no, there is no one formula to let you know what you're supposed to do as a program. Personally, I don't do "next year we'll be so-and-so" projections, I largely see it as a waste of time, as CFB is far too fluid an entity unless you're a perennial top 20 team. What I do look for are trends and cultures, and the biggest one by far for SU being depth and recruiting. Both of those are sub-par, IMO- however, they can be largely offset if you have a good development program, and that's what I'm hanging my hat on w/ Dino.
If his kids end up as duds in 2 years, then by all means, we can change direction. Its just too soon to tell, IMO.

 

[CuseOnly]

No question US production won the war.

 

[rrlbees]

There were a lot of people that thought so back then.

Sack Mac Pack

 

[kcsu]

Indiana stinks and Nebraska is mediocre.

You can do better than that. Your argument about the 200 mile rule doesn't hold water.

 

[kcsu]

Bees is right, a lot of their kids would have a hard time getting into community college...

99% of the athletes admitted to Louisville would be admitted to Syracuse.

 

[dasher]

99% of the athletes admitted to Louisville would be admitted to Syracuse.

How the in the world do you know that?

 

[orlandoorange]

Do some basic research. We dominated the sea, the skies and had far more troops, and tanks, on the ground.

and someone decided that that was the right strategy, things dont just happen

 

[Killdozer]

People can spin this travesty of a season however you want, but if you look back at all the predictions for this team nobody and i mean NOBODY thought it could be this bad. Should Dino be fired, of course not. I should say of course not YET, one more stinker like this and I say its time to move on. It can not be acceptable to come off a 10 win season and then crash and burn like this. Next years schedule is about as easy as it gets, if he cant win 6 games with that schedule in year 5 he needs to be fired as soon as the last whistle blows. During this off season though he needs to clean house. I have no belief without evidence anymore.

Vegas knew, that is why their win total was set at 5.5

 

[skurey]

I can't believe there are people saying Syracuse passes on superior recruits because of their grades like it's something to be proud of.

 

[Bayside44]

You can do better than that. Your argument about the 200 mile rule doesn't hold water.

Again, if you believe that not much to say. Florida has 7 schools playing D1 football for a reason.

 

[TheCusian]

Syracuse coaches with a win over a top 2 team in the nation and a 10 win season in their careers:

Dino Babers
Coach Mac

That’s it. That’s the list. (P had a bunch of 9 and 10 win seasons and deserves more than a shout out).

 

[JeremyCuse]

If Barbers is not the guy, then there is no guy.

And yes, I read the Nebraska article, and wonder the same thing about our program.

They have some of the same issues we do.

Sorry but that's absolutely ridiculous. So If Babers goes 4-8 next year we just what give up? Plenty of coaches won here before Dino and they will after him. Theres plenty of other coaches who could come in if Babers doesn't work out. Eddie O was begging for the job when we hired Babers. If he can't do it I certainly want to to give someone else a shot

 

[CuseOnly]

I can't believe there are people saying Syracuse passes on superior recruits because of their grades like it's something to be proud of.

That isn't what anyone said. If the kids don't qualify and can't get into Syracuse, they can't attend.

There are a ton of schools that relax their admission standards for athletes and there a some that don't (Stanford, Notre Dame, etc.). There are also schools that have ridiculously low admission standards to begin with. Louisville is one of those schools along with West Virginia, Michigan State, etc. I think there are some schools where the only qualifications are that you have to have skin and at least one tooth.

Just a fact.