JB and MY blind loyalty

[Goin' Deep]

Fans are just RESPONDING.
We use to be a top 25 team. Now are hardly ranked.
We use to be a 5 seed or better. Now it's white knuckle on selection Sunday.
We use to be athletic...we could run and press//block alot of shots. Not the case now.
JB will run down players in his pressers... not a good look.

We had that season about 7 years back where we started the season 25-0.
Since then, CUSE has won 58% of its games. Persistent mediocrity won't bring 25k to the dome.
It won't grow the fanbase. Now there is talk(only) of the Boeheims coming back.

Please sir may we have another.....

 

[SBU72]

Just a reminder, JB used a threat of taking a job as UofR head coach to get the SU job. Yes he stayed for decades out of love/loyalty spurning other coaching jobs including the NBA. He built the program. However IMHO, if he truly loved the school/ program, he would turn the reins over to someone else. Let him pick his successor, let that be part of his legacy. Not a growing reputation of stubbornness and failures.

 

[jncuse]

I may be in the minority, but I will let JB coach until he wants and do what he wants for as long as he wants. I have watched this team with passion and pride as long as i can remember and this coach is and has been the heartbeat. If this was a closely held business (and not a sports team for our entertainment) we would have no opinion and likely look at this as a great thing for the boss to do for his family.

You think the head of the family owned business hanging on longer then he should and decreasing the business value and brand in the process (a brand that they worked so hard to successfully build) is a great thing to do to their family? You think that head having no interest in a succession plan is a great thing to do for the family business? You think the head of the business blaming key employees / driving out key employees / not hiring qualified employees in order to give bigger roles to lesser qualified family members is a great thing for the family business?

I don't.

And I am still giving full credit to the father / mother for successfully managing and building a business that will have some value for future generations.

 

[Irt4su]

You think the head of the family owned business hanging on longer then he should and decreasing the business value and brand in the process (a brand that they worked so hard to successfully build) is a great thing to do to their family? You think that head having no interest in a succession plan is a great thing to do for the family business? You think the head of the business blaming key employees / driving out key employees / not hiring qualified employees in order to give bigger roles to lesser qualified family members is a great thing for the family business?

I don't.

And I am giving full credit to the father / mother for successfully managing and building a business that will have some value for future generations. But it matters greatly to the family what that person does at the end.

It doesnt matter what i think about that situation. Im saying that if it was a closely held business it would only matter to that family and wouldnt be in the public eye.

 

[dollarbill44]

The only real loyalty is blind loyalty. Anything else is lip service.

Are you claiming conditional loyalty doesn't exist? What if JAB ran off with your wife? You still loyal?

 

[dollarbill44]

You think the head of the family owned business hanging on longer then he should and decreasing the business value and brand in the process (a brand that they worked so hard to successfully build) is a great thing to do to their family? You think that head having no interest in a succession plan is a great thing to do for the family business? You think the head of the business blaming key employees / driving out key employees / not hiring qualified employees in order to give bigger roles to lesser qualified family members is a great thing for the family business?

I don't.

And I am still giving full credit to the father / mother for successfully managing and building a business that will have some value for future generations.

This is a fair line of questioning.

 

[Irt4su]

Are you claiming conditional loyalty doesn't exist? What if JAB ran off with your wife? You still loyal?

Take my wife...please...better yet...coach i am totally open to a trade!

 

[two3zone]

Have you thrown in the towel on this years team? This team is not that far off from being a very good team. I guess you're just turning your back on the guys. And those accomplishments I listed aren't pretty good or acceptable, they are off the charts, one of a kind, not to be found anywhere else success.

We’ve won 1 out of our last 4 games, did the undermanned poorly coached Pitt game change your opinion?

 

[orangecuse]

Alright, I'll play.

For me, it's a complete disconnect relative to the OP, elimunelson's recent takes regarding the "family business" as well as other's "as long as he wants to" "he deserves to" type rhetoric, etc.

JB doesn't own this company, he's an employee, period! He had nothing to do with the building of the Carrier Dome, the advent of ESPN, the birth of the Big East Conference that took this program from a local stronghold into a national one. He contributed to its heightened successes, no doubt, but the later, first and foremost, is what launched this program into the stratosphere.

These "family business" etc. references, IMO, are foolish. Such as elimunelson's, 'it all may be an elaborate plan for either Buddy or Jimmy to take over the family business some day too." What! Is this for real?!

If you were the actual owner of a company (you know real world stuff and actually dealing with all of the costs, overhead, PA conflicts, etc. unlike JB here) and you had a once very productive $$$ making employee, principal figure, etc. in your organization whom was no longer producing anywhere near that high level, let alone likely negatively effecting profits, market share, etc., you wouldn't hold on to him/her. You would find another more suited position within the organization if possible, or simply have to let the person go.

Otherwise, it's such bad business keeping an individual with diminished skills etc. whom is no longer producing at the specific levels your business has operated and been accustomed to, let alone one that has had an adverse/negative impact to your bottom line and in direct opposition to growth.

 

[samspann1]

Take my wife...please...better yet...coach i am totally open to a trade!

Best post ever.

 

[FRANKIEFAN]

Next year should be it and theres no upside in JB staying longer or being part of the hire for the next coach.

 

[CuseFaninVT]

Wait a second. Did your son play more minutes than he should have, though?

By talent alone, he should have played all night. But we run gentleman’s rules. Run two then you sit. Team coming off will shoot to be part of the team coming on if they don’t have 5.

And I’ve finally learned that his knowledge and ability has exceeded mine, so I don’t coach him on the floor anymore.

 

[NineOneSeven]

I guess the question is to what extent? Clearly this won’t happen (or will it?), but what if he coaches until he’s 85 and at age 84 we go 5-25? Does that change your opinion? There has to be some point, right?

 

[HOFCeluck]

Syracuse fan vs Jim Boeheim fan.

 

[Irt4su]

By talent alone, he should have played all night. But we run gentleman’s rules. Run two then you sit. Team coming off will shoot to be part of the team coming on if they don’t have 5.

And I’ve finally learned that his knowledge and ability has exceeded mine, so I don’t coach him on the floor anymore.

Dont let him know that yet!!!!

 

[Irt4su]

I guess the question is to what extent? Clearly this won’t happen (or will it?), but what if he coaches until he’s 85 and at age 84 we go 5-25? Does that change your opinion? There has to be some point, right?

Yes that is correct. I am running under the assumption that he is not coaching until he is 84. I have no problem with him retiring this year or continuing but once he physically and/or mentally cannot handle what is required then he needs to be shown the door if he is hanging on like that. Though hes closer to 80 than 70, i would be extremely surprised to see him coaching into his 80s. JimBa instead of JoePa isnt as cute an lovable. I will leave eery longtime assistant coach similarities out...

 

[ar inj]

Jim played on the first SU team To make the NCAAT and made it to the elite 8, I'm sure he was a player coach on the floor guy that drove that team. I believe he played 3 three years and none of those teams had a losing record. He left the program for a while and was brought back as the assistant coach and stayed the tourney and made it to the final 4 and no losing seasons while he was helping run that team. He then became head coach and has had 45 winning seasons with many deep tourney runs and a NC while being targeted twice by the NCAA for violations that amounted to jaywalking, while many other programs have been flat out paying for talent. That's 55 years of being a part of SU basketball teams and no losing seasons. And now people want

The guy who drove that team you are referencing was someone named Dave Bing; and to set the record straight, the 1957 Orange made the NCAA tournament and the elite eight before Coach Boheim arrived at SU

 

[grepal]

Are you claiming conditional loyalty doesn't exist? What if JAB ran off with your wife? You still loyal?

Loyal to him, her or both? He's my coach right or wrong. He's not perfect but he us a great coach who built a national power in a destination with just about the worse weather in the country. Yes, the program has slipped the last decade, but he is my coach an my wife of over 41 years isn't leaving me and she never will.

 

[baggerbob]

The guy who drove that team you are referencing was someone named Dave Bing; and to set the record straight, the 1957 Orange made the NCAA tournament and the elite eight before Coach Boheim arrived at SU

And Manny Breland always believed if Jim Brown had played they could have won a national championship. He considered Jim unguardable when he wanted to drive to the hoop.

 

[dollarbill44]

Loyal to him, her or both? He's my coach right or wrong. He's not perfect but he us a great coach who built a national power in a destination with just about the worse weather in the country. Yes, the program has slipped the last decade, but he is my coach an my wife of over 41 years isn't leaving me and she never will.

I posed a hypothetical question to challenge your belief that there is only blind loyalty and lip service and no room in between. You dodged the question by dismissing the hypothetical as never going to happen.
If you want to question where the line of conditionality falls, that's a different argument entirely.

 

[grepal]

IMO the question falls along the line of absurd, apples and oranges. BTW as lovely as Julie is, my wife is hotter.

 

[two3zone]

IMO the question falls along the line of absurd, apples and oranges. BTW as lovely as Julie is, my wife is hotter.