JB is hammering the team in this PC

[Full_Rebar]

It's not about effort. This team is playing hard, but doing a lot of dumb things- hence the frustration. They are forcing shots, making unforced turnovers and consistently losing guys on defense. They aren't good enough to outscore many teams, so you can't keep wasting easy lay-ups by not catching passes.

One thing I noticed today is that one at least two occasions, guys had an easy kick out to Cooney for a 3 in rhythm and instead forced tough shots at the basket. Those are things that can be corrected by the staff. Guys just need to play within themselves, and forget about hero ball.

 

[CuseHulk]

JB is clearly disappointed in the play of some of his players.

McCullough played tonight like he did when I saw him. He's a freshman. Gonna happen, but he's not an elite freshman.

Joseph will be a good player in another year.

Our sophomores haven't lived up to expectations, but it was good to see Roberson play well today. Encouraging.

I actually agree with this.

Joseph was never supposed to be the guy this year. and McCullough is not a Jahlil Okafor, or a Stanley Johnson.

But you were overly critical of him.

 

[ORANGEsPHK]

I have to agree that some of the poor execution/fundamentals have to be placed on the coaches, especially if they see these limitations in games as they should be looking to correct it during practice. BUT, I don't go to the practices, maybe they do and the players just don't get it - he alluded to his regarding Appleby and the lob pass which they practiced for all week.

As solid as Rak may have been, it really does baffle me that he gets himself into foul trouble. He has played in a lot of DI games and he should have learned by now. His first foul was the "What" variety, completely unnecessary and a Senior Leader should know this. So in this regard, I have to agree with JB that if the players don't learn we're not going to go very far.

Taken as a whole, I would have to agree that the PC was more to call out the lack of improvement from the players. We are making an inordinate amount of errors and he is absolutely correct that such errors precludes executing/practicing any sets.

I have no problem with this PC, and it was fairly mild overall given his PCs of year's past.

 

[cuseguy]

I actually agree with this. Joseph was never supposed to be the guy this year. and McCullough is not a Jahlil Okafor, or a Stanley Johnson. But you were overly critical of him.

Only critical because JB called McCullough out best recruit since Melo.

I have high expectations.

 

[KCJax03]

McCullough is not a Jahlil Okafor, or a Stanley Johnson.
.

...and yet he will be going to the NBA next year. The dreaded "potential" label for these kids keeps them from sticking around long enough to actually be good college players. We get to see the flawed, raw player that drives you nuts and then they are gone. As a fan, I feel justified in criticizing them. If they are only going to be around for a year, they better be darn good.

 

[orangefan13]

I think Joseph is the most tentative pg I have seen in a long time. He doesn't invite or enjoy pressure ever. He wants to run away from his defender, and doesn't have the speed yet to be doing that.

I think back to scoop in 09-10 imo, he couldn't run a no high post offense, and drive much to late in the season,but he didn't mind alittle pressure. In comparison Joseph could be faster then scoop that year as a confidence builder and that team pretty much led the ncaa in assists.

He is just very tentative, plays scared, doesnt want the defender near him, and is reacting on the court instead of enforcing. Hes more of a sg with some handle until to this happens. IMO it doesn't help he doesn't have a isolation forward or guard to help him either.
He biggest issue is confidence right now. I rarely believe confidence is a big issue(these guys go through to many repititions to avoid that). He doesn't know what he is yet, hes lacking identity, and I think that can take a toll on his confidence. Either that or hes a pg who wants to play SG in his mind right now. The defenition of pg is pressure here I am come and get me, go ahead and get extra physical with me.

 

[Jake]

I've seen jb rip players in a press conference to motivate them, but I don't think I've ever seen him do it out of exasperation.

He is seriously concerned that this team won't be "competitive" in the acc. Like bottom third of the league bad.

I know he's prone to exaggeration, but I don't think he's kidding. That was a very sobering press conference.

Damn. 1968-69. 9-16...not a losing record since.

 

[orangefan13]

I got to believe he wouldn't be ripping them like this if he didn't see room for improvment, he wouldn't bother. And we aren't talking 100% about things like shooting woes, and lack of ability like past years, things like turnovers, stupid fouls, and not finishing plays instead makes up 65% of it, and I really HOPE JB thinks they can fix it with watching footage and some sacrifice.

 

[Flintstones]

Joseph's biggest issue right now is picking the ball up 35 feet from the hoop. Like JB said, these are things you learn in middle school. I didn't see any positives from him today. He hit an open three and a shot in the lane. Those are not things that should bring optimism. We know he got thrown into the ring but after 9 games I haven't seen one "wow" moment, not one. He said Ennis's decision played a factor in his own decision so id love to know what he worked on during the summer. Yes, I think he'll be good in a year or two but I guess the moral of the story is I need to stop watching mixtapes.

 

[CuseHulk]

I've seen jb rip players in a press conference to motivate them, but I don't think I've ever seen him do it out of exasperation.

He is seriously concerned that this team won't be "competitive" in the acc. Like bottom third of the league bad.

I know he's prone to exaggeration, but I don't think he's kidding. That was a very sobering press conference.

Damn. 1968-69. 9-16...not a losing record since.

This team is not going 9-16 or they equalitive to that, I am sure you were around to see that team . I know you have been down on this years team (which you are entitled to your opinions)

I don't think they will have a losing record.

 

[hoopsupstate]

Kaleb just has to get lower with the ball. He plays way to upright. It's a very nonathletic position. He hasn't figured out how to drive deep into the lane and reverse pivot and kick it out to Cooney. He missed him about three times today for wide open threes.

 

[dasher]

I've seen jb rip players in a press conference to motivate them, but I don't think I've ever seen him do it out of exasperation.

He is seriously concerned that this team won't be "competitive" in the acc. Like bottom third of the league bad.

I know he's prone to exaggeration, but I don't think he's kidding. That was a very sobering press conference.

Damn. 1968-69. 9-16...not a losing record since.

you are exactly correct. we aren't good.

 

[LAOrange]

Maybe the Patterson decision is based on the end of the semester. I have no knowledge, but is there a possibility of a transfer?

Stop that! Just because you'd quit under the circumstances doesn't mean Bus will. He isn't a point guard and Cooney was too important to take out. Look on the bench and Red was talking to him constantly.

 

[Eagles20]

This team just isn't good. Which honestly after 6 straight seasons as a top 4 seed in the NCAAT isn't a problem. Just hope the players improve and JB doesn't get so frustrated he wants to hang them up. JB clearly doesn't like how they have played at 6-3 we have 3 more wins in the OOC games and hope we can win some ACC games and get better.

The NCAAT is a bonus for us fans if the team gets better.

i got about 2 minutes into the press conference and was like this could be his last year. The frustration level is crazy high right now. When he is going on about simple fundamentals that these players aren't picking up you can just see the i can't believe this crap. I don't think i ever seen that type of anger from him in a presser then when he yelled about getting out there.

Also what he has said in the presser, the players have all heard this to their faces. What he said about Roberson was also very true, yes he had his best game, but the last 5 minutes he went back to making dumb mistakes. If you don't win does it really matter like he said.

 

[007]

I've seen jb rip players in a press conference to motivate them, but I don't think I've ever seen him do it out of exasperation.

He is seriously concerned that this team won't be "competitive" in the acc. Like bottom third of the league bad.

I know he's prone to exaggeration, but I don't think he's kidding. That was a very sobering press conference.

Damn. 1968-69. 9-16...not a losing record since.

Dead on, Jake.

Whe JB tells you things like - we played way above our heads offensively and only scored 71 against a team that just have up 96; or the bottom half of the ACC might not "good" but they are more than good enough to beat us unless we get a lot better - and we are not even close to that; no where good enough to win in the ACC. People need to listen.

This is not JB's attempt at psychology, motivation, sending a message, whatever. He is trying to tell you, as only JB can, what he already knows.

 

[Eagles20]

I think Joseph is the most tentative pg I have seen in a long time. He doesn't invite or enjoy pressure ever. He wants to run away from his defender, and doesn't have the speed yet to be doing that.

I think back to scoop in 09-10 imo, he couldn't run a no high post offense, and drive much to late in the season,but he didn't mind alittle pressure. In comparison Joseph could be faster then scoop that year as a confidence builder and that team pretty much led the ncaa in assists.

He is just very tentative, plays scared, doesnt want the defender near him, and is reacting on the court instead of enforcing. Hes more of a sg with some handle until to this happens. IMO it doesn't help he doesn't have a isolation forward or guard to help him either.
He biggest issue is confidence right now. I rarely believe confidence is a big issue(these guys go through to many repititions to avoid that). He doesn't know what he is yet, hes lacking identity, and I think that can take a toll on his confidence. Either that or hes a pg who wants to play SG in his mind right now. The defenition of pg is pressure here I am come and get me, go ahead and get extra physical with me.

i think its way more than just a confidence issue, its a point guard skill set issue. He is not comfortable at all being a point guard against good competition. I have never seen a pg at syracuse make the careless turnover so many times consistently. How many times is he going to try to throw over top and get the ball stolen before he realizes not to do that. His handle against pressure is also so loose.

 

[007]

i think its way more than just a confidence issue, its a point guard skill set issue. He is not comfortable at all being a point guard against good competition. I have never seen a pg at syracuse make the careless turnover so many times consistently. How many times is he going to try to throw over top and get the ball stolen before he realizes not to do that. His handle against pressure is also so loose.

Agreed, eagles.

Too bad Joseph didn't have a season of learning PG while playing behind, and learning from, Ennis.

I think we are going to see more and more of TC at the point, and not just during crunch time. I do not mean this a criticism of KJ, because I believe he will get much better with time. Just not sure this team can afford to have learn in the fire.

 

[Eagles20]

Agreed, eagles.

Too bad Joseph didn't have a season of learning PG while playing behind, and learning from, Ennis.

I think we are going to see more and more of TC at the point, and not just during crunch time. I do not mean this a criticism of KJ, because I believe he will get much better with time. Just not sure this team can afford to have learn in the fire.

exactly he definitely needed year to learn behind someone. Also, even practicing everyday against Ennis would have made him so much better faster. I really think he's not just yelling in these presser to motivate, but to teach accountability. How can you not be frustrated after 8 days of practice and then have the guys come out and make the mistakes your preached against for 8 days. He pretty much hit every player in that press conference and didn't just point out on or two players mistakes. Everyone was held accountable for what they were doing wrong and that seemed pretty fair to me.

 

[anomander]

I bet you none of the players even listen to his presser (which is probably good for their ego in this case).

JB knows this just isn't a good team. After the first couple games you could tell this is going to be a down year. This is probably the worst team in the Boeheim era.

 

[pearl31]

Dasher, funny you say that. I had the exact same thought midway thru the second half.."now I know what it's like to be a providence fan".

good grief you're uber negative on this team. post after post. geesh.

 

[pearl31]

a last second win against crap.

if you watched that La Tech and say they're crap, well you're just wrong.

 

[Dave85]

No. He said we are asking people to do things that they have not done before. Joseph is a pt guard who in high school played all over the place. Rak always played down low but was never asked to be a scorer. That type of thing

Rak is showing some great post moves this year. KJ2 seems like a PG to me. Playing PG in division I for Syracuse University has it's own knowledge base! I think KJ2 is doing great and will continue to improve as the year goes on.

 

[Dave85]

if you watched that La Tech and say they're crap, well you're just wrong.

I agree, Tech played a great game. It reminds me of the Albany game last year. I don't think today's win is the same thing as beating Duke but for this team every victory is a victory.

 

[orangefan13]

dissagree completely. I think this team has potential to be very good as time goes on.
Turnovers, and less fumbling of the ball, a pg who wants to play point, and continued jumpshooting is the key.

We beat a tournament quality team without Gbinije tonight our 3rd or 4th best player leadership and expereience, and with mccullough in a daze not aware of the court all game, and we are worse then the shumpert deshaun team really?
And all that with a pg who still is tentative but doesn't necessarilly want to play pg yet(hopefully the former), and 17 turnovers to boot.

Not to be happy with today but I just can't stand people saying this is a bad team, worst of the jb era, worse then 07-08. Not even close, imo. Frankly we can't even put a ceiling on them right now.

I think all that winning in november/dec has gotten to our heads, and some of us are folding. Remember when the 06-07 dnic senior team loss 3-4 in nov and probably should have made the tournament still with a senior lead team who were maxing out on their potential. For crying out loud.

Dare I say yes the team probably needs a wake up call, but any giving up whether it be by the fans or coaches needs to be abandoned.

 

[two3zone]

if you watched that La Tech and say they're crap, well you're just wrong.

What's their big win this year? Samford? Northwestern State? Sorry, they lost to a crap Temple team and a crap Louisiana Layfayette team too.

I'm not going to call a team good just because we played them. Sorry, Carlton isn't an NCAA title contender either, they'd be at the bottom half of the AAC or Big East if they were here. Every time we play somebody and win no matter how garbage the team is there are people coming around here trying to justify how good the team is or use it as reference on how good we are.