JB is hammering the team in this PC

[SWC75]

What's their big win this year? Samford? Northwestern State? Sorry, they lost to a crap Temple team and a crap Louisiana Layfayette team too.

I'm not going to call a team good just because we played them. Sorry, Carlton isn't an NCAA title contender either, they'd be at the bottom half of the AAC or Big East if they were here. Every time we play somebody and win no matter how garbage the team is there are people coming around here trying to justify how good the team is or use it as reference on how good we are.

They won 29 games last year and have 4 starters back. I felt they played very well and was happy we beat them.

 

[jimsonjunction]

The game was tied with 4 seconds left. How the hell could it not be as close as the final score. A turnover there and we probably lose.

What I mean is that we were in control of the game for most of it.

I believe we were up 10 with 3-4 minutes to go. Was I terrified when they came back and tied it? Of course. They need to get better at extending leads and finishing games. That was my only point.

 

[007]

JB never goes hyperbolic in pressers, does he?

Yeah, he does it all the time.

When the hyperbole lines up reasonably well with what is happening on the court, I tend to take him at his word.

 

[NineOneSeven]

I'm just excited to see how many more call outs we can get from cusehulk before year's end

The little things, people!

 

[triplethrea]

Listened to the PC. It was 50% reality and 50% BS for the sole purpose of motivating the players. No matter how bad we are, we're still taller and longer than most teams we play, and that physical advantage is enough to win us some games. This whole "I don't know if we'll win another game" spiel is classic negative coach speak.

The players need to get the gym and work on everything they are struggling with. Only some players respond to that kind of talk. I know in my personal experience, I always tuned it out because I always felt like it was BS.

 

[Digger]

Listen, I can deal with if this is a Down season (It happens sometimes) We will be back on the UP.

I just don't think our fan base can.

Your comments are making me angry. And you wouldn't like me when...ahhh screw it

 

[STEVEHOLT]

He's talking like this because when the team fails, he'll be able to say, "I told you so."

He's talking like this because he is apparently dealing with some of the least coachable kids he's ever had. And he's frustrated. He's too old to deal with crap like not knowing you catch the ball with two hands.

 

[Jack Hall]

Listened to the PC. It was 50% reality and 50% BS for the sole purpose of motivating the players. No matter how bad we are, we're still taller and longer than most teams we play, and that physical advantage is enough to win us some games. This whole "I don't know if we'll win another game" spiel is classic negative coach speak.

The players need to get the gym and work on everything they are struggling with. Only some players respond to that kind of talk. I know in my personal experience, I always tuned it out because I always felt like it was BS.

I agree there is a lot of reality in what he says and there is some intent for motivation. But i would say there is a third part: when JB keeps saying you cant teach kids how to catch a bball 1-handed vs 2-handed , etc- he is clearly saying none of this is his fault. Classic JB obviously, my team is not that good but its certainly not on my coaching staff. I am getting the point, this team isnt that good and its not his fault. I am getting a little tired of hearing this same point presser after presser. By february nobody will be interested anymore imo

 

[CaptainJ]

Your comments are making me angry. And you wouldn't like me when...ahhh screw it

(addressed to all) Listen(a word one respected poster sometimes likes to start their messages with on here), CuseHulk is living up to his name, and I for one respect that. Picture Mantonio on steroids. I personally think his post may have been more accurate if instead of "our fanbase" it said, "a loud segment of this board", but I got the point he was trying to make. I think you also understood getting angry with someone with the word Hulk in their name and avatar isn't necessarily the wisest way to make one's point and I saw the humor in it. Or I could be wrong, but this thread has been interesting, even if uncomfortable at times.

 

[Flacusian]

I don't really think with G on the bench that JB wanted him in there. Kaleb played because I don't think JB trusts Cooney or Patterson to bring the ball up with pressure.

What??? Who was the player that was tasked with bringing up the ball most of the 2nd half? It was Cooney. Did you not watch the game?

 

[SUbear]

Agree dasher, I am beginning to think KJ doesn't want to be a pg, pg's want to be under pressure not the opposite. Hope he buys into it.

The bigger question is what exactly did our coaches see in Joseph to be a point. His handle is extremely shaky, he makes many foolish unforced turns, he has shown some selfishness, he is not running the offense very well, and his quickness is not quick.
I fail to see where they saw a point, and that is allowing for him being a frosh.
I believe he is a major reason this team is struggling.

 

[STEVEHOLT]

(addressed to all) Listen(a word one respected poster sometimes likes to start their messages with on here), CuseHulk is living up to his name, and I for one respect that. Picture Mantonio on steroids. I personally think his post may have been more accurate if instead of "our fanbase" it said, "a loud segment of this board", but I got the point he was trying to make. I think you also understood getting angry with someone with the word Hulk in their name and avatar isn't necessarily the wisest way to make one's point and I saw the humor in it. Or I could be wrong, but this thread has been interesting, even if uncomfortable at times.

cooney is ok with the ball . but he does tend to leave the ball out in front when dribbling rather than somewhat off to the side like most true pg's. its sad that he is much more steady with it under pressure than our actual pg.

 

[SaltLakeOrange]

Looks guys. It's still early, we beat a good team yesterday and we are getting better. Joseph is exasperating at times but he's a freshman. Anyone remember Jason Hart's freshman year? He turned out okay and so will Kaleb...

We are going to be be more than competitive in the ACC. And I think we beat Nova Saturday too!

 

[Orangeman]

I know. I was backing his point up vs. the poster he was responding to who said we shouldn't have played the 2-3 zone at Michigan.

Guys, this is not an all-zone or no-zone argument. It's so bizarre that this has become a team that only plays one defense and its fans think that's the only way it should be played, AND won't listen to any arguments about it.

We lost to Lemoyne, what, six years ago? These are all new players, some new coaches, etc. over six years we should be able to teach or re-teach man-to-man, right? Or even another kind of defense...1-3-1? mMatch-up

Our team, starting 5 at least, are all Top-100 recruits who've probably played man all their lives. Different level, to be sure, but that's why you're allowed to practice 2.5 hours a day right?

Playing man D at a glance I would not worry about KJ, XMas or McCullough at the 1, 4, 5. Roberson guarding a 3 maybe on the tougher side, of course that's why you'd practice help defense. Cooney looks solid at D as well, at 6'3" he should be OK. Mike G would definitely be able to having played at Duke, unless he was pushed out because he couldn't play man D, but I doubt that seriously.

When I say we should have escaped from the 2-3 against Michigan, it's not an argument that some team at some point in time (EMU) could never beat Michigan...it's an argument that in THE GAME WE WERE PLAYING, Michigan had absolutely figured out OUR zone and we're getting good shots. People argue that it's not defense when we only gave up 60 or whatever, but not comparable since we force long possessions and shorten the game. You can only score 1-4 points per possession,Mao take away a bunch of possessions and whammo fewer points. Not NECESSARILY indicative of a healthy trend.

Rewatch the Michigan game...they got the shots they wanted from their shooters at the end...and while Albrecht was able to put the ball on the fall and attack creases when he wasn't being defended, I'd argue he wouldn't have been able to do the same against man (he definitely couldn't against AZ the other night.

No worries, but in College Basketball 2014-2015 I don't think you can play zone for 40 mins. ESPECIALLY In the ACC

 

[realorange]

But he did say that we could be good.

 

[two3zone]

What??? Who was the player that was tasked with bringing up the ball most of the 2nd half? It was Cooney. Did you not watch the game?

What I'm saying is he didn't want both Cooney and Patterson on the floor, he wanted at least Kaleb to be on the floor as well, incase Cooney was caught in a trap or something and somebody had to bring it up. Listen, I really don't have any idea why Patterson wasn't in the game and that's the only plausible idea I can come up with, I'm brainstorming here, relax.

 

[Alsacs]

They won 29 games last year and have 4 starters back. I felt they played very well and was happy we beat them.

I respect your opinion, but La. Tech is not an NCAA tournament team. It was a win to stop the bleeding, but nothing more. If we won more convincingly maybe it would be perceived differently. La. Tech is a middle of the pack CUSA team in a league that has been 1 bid for the few past years. Loooking at their schedule they haven't beaten anyone of consequence and lost @Temple and at home to a bad Louisiana-Lafayette team.

 

[TBCuse11]

Michigan State overrated? Their "bad loss" this year is to ND.

You having Syracuse mentioned with NC, ND, or Miami right now is a little crazy. 2 straight losses, and a last second win against crap. They needed unreal games from Cooney and Roberson to pull this out.

agreed. Some fans are homes til the very end. And thats ok...

 

[SaltLakeOrange]

Guys, this is not an all-zone or no-zone argument. It's so bizarre that this has become a team that only plays one defense and its fans think that's the only way it should be played, AND won't listen to any arguments about it.

We lost to Lemoyne, what, six years ago? These are all new players, some new coaches, etc. over six years we should be able to teach or re-teach man-to-man, right? Or even another kind of defense...1-3-1? mMatch-up

Our team, starting 5 at least, are all Top-100 recruits who've probably played man all their lives. Different level, to be sure, but that's why you're allowed to practice 2.5 hours a day right?

Playing man D at a glance I would not worry about KJ, XMas or McCullough at the 1, 4, 5. Roberson guarding a 3 maybe on the tougher side, of course that's why you'd practice help defense. Cooney looks solid at D as well, at 6'3" he should be OK. Mike G would definitely be able to having played at Duke, unless he was pushed out because he couldn't play man D, but I doubt that seriously.

When I say we should have escaped from the 2-3 against Michigan, it's not an argument that some team at some point in time (EMU) could never beat Michigan...it's an argument that in THE GAME WE WERE PLAYING, Michigan had absolutely figured out OUR zone and we're getting good shots. People argue that it's not defense when we only gave up 60 or whatever, but not comparable since we force long possessions and shorten the game. You can only score 1-4 points per possession,Mao take away a bunch of possessions and whammo fewer points. Not NECESSARILY indicative of a healthy trend.

Rewatch the Michigan game...they got the shots they wanted from their shooters at the end...and while Albrecht was able to put the ball on the fall and attack creases when he wasn't being defended, I'd argue he wouldn't have been able to do the same against man (he definitely couldn't against AZ the other night.

No worries, but in College Basketball 2014-2015 I don't think you can play zone for 40 mins. ESPECIALLY In the ACC

We did last year and it turned out okay...Let's see how this year goes!

 

[DoctorBombay]

Listened to the presser and didn't see/hear anything other than a frustrated HC ready to tear his team a new A-hole for playing mediocre ball.
Its not the best of JB's classic riffs, but its certainly not the worst. Also, its a little amusing to read the excessive and premature negativity that emanates from this board.
The SU fanbase has been entitled & spoiled for years and this may be the time for our comeuppance.
In other words, a win is a win versus ANY team this year especially since we're young and will struggle. Why is that so surprising to the "Captain Obvious" contingent on this board? :blah:

 

[pearl31]

we beat a good team yesterday

You're not supposed to say that.

 

[SaltLakeOrange]

You're not supposed to say that.

I understand...but I like stirring up the pot a little...

 

[Cusefan0307]

Did someone really bring up the zone vs man argument in this thread:bang:.

 

[RoysRunts]

I don't pay any attention to Boeheim's accolades or philosphy/ethics on Life but when he talks about his team He is HONEST

 

[CuseHulk]

and yet it's clear same HOF coach told Welch (someone he probably wouldn't feed any BS) within the past few days that he's confident they'll grow into something pretty good.
JB never goes hyperbolic in pressers, does he?

That's a good Nugget.