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Johntay Cook in the portal

If one reads this site frequently it's not too difficult to determine which posters are plugged into the athletic department and provide solid, insightful info. It's also not hard to determine which posters are know-nothing idiots (raises hand, see: profile pic).

I find college sports strange because the media that covers it is generally toothless and doesn't report on a slew of things that pro sports beat writers would publish without thinking twice. For example, if my Pats told a player to take a walk and cut him, those details would be reported within an hour of that occurring. For college it's shrouded in secrecy. But it is what it is.

Identify the know-somethings and listen to them. Then retain that info so we don't have the same circular debates as we tend to have.
 
XC Cuse said:
Why, it shows Fran holds kids accountable to standards.
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But like, shouldn’t starters be people who are accountable already? Isn’t that how he should be recruiting? I just question whether he can read players before he brings them in, that risks the locker room and donator/booster funds
 
Blanko97 said:
But like, shouldn’t starters be people who are accountable already? Isn’t that how he should be recruiting? I just question whether he can read players before he brings them in, that risks the locker room and donator/booster funds
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Do NFL GM’s spend millions to hire coaches and draft players that don’t pan out for the same reason? Do companies hire and invest $ in employees to find out those employees aren’t who they expected?

But yes, Fran should be far better at this with 18 - 20 yr old kids.
 
Blanko97 said:
But like, shouldn’t starters be people who are accountable already? Isn’t that how he should be recruiting? I just question whether he can read players before he brings them in, that risks the locker room and donator/booster funds
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Stuff happens you can recruit with the best of intentions, but the player has to hold his end of the bargain. Every team will experience this.
 
Blanko97 said:
But like, shouldn’t starters be people who are accountable already? Isn’t that how he should be recruiting? I just question whether he can read players before he brings them in, that risks the locker room and donator/booster funds
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Boy do I have a fun story about JaMarcus Russell and his time with the Raiders...
 
Blanko97 said:
But like, shouldn’t starters be people who are accountable already? Isn’t that how he should be recruiting? I just question whether he can read players before he brings them in, that risks the locker room and donator/booster funds
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Valid point. If he's successful here, maybe he'll get better at this over time.
 
Blanko97 said:
But like, shouldn’t starters be people who are accountable already? Isn’t that how he should be recruiting? I just question whether he can read players before he brings them in, that risks the locker room and donator/booster funds
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You can't really quiz a HS or college kid on his former playbook knowledge prior to his arrival. HS kids maybe but most elite players at skill positions have 5-10 plays they ran repeatedly successfully. College coaches won't have the prior teams playbook to ask about. Off the field stuff is often unreported also. You don't know a kid loves to party and never studied anything in their life until you see them try and do so first hand.

Lots of people are extremely good at wearing masks until they can no longer hide it.
 
qdawgg said:
Do NFL GM’s spend millions to hire coaches and draft players that don’t pan out for the same reason? Do companies hire and invest $ in employees to find out those employees aren’t who they expected?

But yes, Fran should be far better at this with 18 - 20 yr old kids.
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When it is a core tenant to your leadership and you are willing to boot good players because they don't fit the culture? Yeah, he should be able to do that. When you have one or two bad apples who are starters, that makes sense sometimes you just read them wrong. But when you lose like 8 players before the portal even opens due to "accountability" then i question how well you can judge character. I am sure red is a great guy and smart guy, but if he has a bad b.s. meter then he needs to bring on someone who has a good one. Syracuse isn't in a position to offload talent every year.

also, comparing this to the NFL is ridiculous. Those GMs dont know if they won't pan out on the field but they are well aware of their personal situations. No one drafts OBJ or Antonio Brown because they thought they were getting choir boys. They are paid what they are to identify the best risk reward and then manage the personalities.
 
Scooch said:
If one reads this site frequently it's not too difficult to determine which posters are plugged into the athletic department and provide solid, insightful info. It's also not hard to determine which posters are know-nothing idiots (raises hand, see: profile pic).

I find college sports strange because the media that covers it is generally toothless and doesn't report on a slew of things that pro sports beat writers would publish without thinking twice. For example, if my Pats told a player to take a walk and cut him, those details would be reported within an hour of that occurring. For college it's shrouded in secrecy. But it is what it is.

Identify the know-somethings and listen to them. Then retain that info so we don't have the same circular debates as we tend to have.
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Maybe we need a checkmark verification badge like Facebook uses to identify the people who really know what they're talking about and not just spouting shite. :rolleyes:
 
ImperialOrange said:
You can't really quiz a HS or college kid on his former playbook knowledge prior to his arrival. HS kids maybe but most elite players at skill positions have 5-10 plays they ran repeatedly successfully. College coaches won't have the prior teams playbook to ask about. Off the field stuff is often unreported also. You don't know a kid loves to party and never studied anything in their life until you see them try and do so first hand.

Lots of people are extremely good at wearing masks until they can no longer hide it.
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Coaches have/find insiders across the country who stay ingrained in the community to get information like this. I dont think thats an excuse. Especially on the partying side with social media
 
Blanko97 said:
When it is a core tenant to your leadership and you are willing to boot good players because they don't fit the culture? Yeah, he should be able to do that. When you have one or two bad apples who are starters, that makes sense sometimes you just read them wrong. But when you lose like 8 players before the portal even opens due to "accountability" then i question how well you can judge character. I am sure red is a great guy and smart guy, but if he has a bad b.s. meter then he needs to bring on someone who has a good one. Syracuse isn't in a position to offload talent every year.

also, comparing this to the NFL is ridiculous. Those GMs dont know if they won't pan out on the field but they are well aware of their personal situations. No one drafts OBJ or Antonio Brown because they thought they were getting choir boys. They are paid what they are to identify the best risk reward and then manage the personalities.
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OBJ had no issues in college
Ray Rice had no issues in college
Lot's of NFL players/stars have no issues in college and then it's a trainwreck
Yes the NFL has ALOT more resources and time to weed out the "bad" ones and the hope
High School coaches tend to cover up players negatives to make sure they get to college and colleges can't spend the time and money the NFL does

I believe what everyone is trying to say is we are dealing with humans, younger ones, and we are prone to do stupid things
So yes even our starters that are captains can do stupid things
 
Blanko97 said:
Coaches have/find insiders across the country who stay ingrained in the community to get information like this. I dont think thats an excuse. Especially on the partying side with social media
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Why would a college coach wanting a kid to transfer say anything negative while they were in process of leaving? They want them gone.

Why would a high school coach say anything negative about their top players being recruited? They want to say they got players on scholarship.

Why would an LSU insider say their transfer portal QB throws more to defenders than receivers? They won't, they want the scholarship free.

These insiders you think exist and share this information have no reason to do so but do have reasons not to. Fair amount even get financial kick backs to not share said information. Ask my high school coach who told recruiters our best player was in the weight room all the time when I saw him there exactly 0. Guy got found out real quick in college that 4.4 with no strength equals no playing time BUT hey, he got his scholarship. Don't imagine that school recruits that HS anymore though and that coach is long gone. Gets even worse when HSs doctor grades to get kids eligible and in college they are lost. For every kid that makes it, there are 10 equally as gifted that don't for lots of these reasons and more.
 
ImperialOrange said:
Why would a college coach wanting a kid to transfer say anything negative while they were in process of leaving? They want them gone.

Why would a high school coach say anything negative about their top players being recruited? They want to say they got players on scholarship.

Why would an LSU insider say their transfer portal QB throws more to defenders than receivers? They won't, they want the scholarship free.

These insiders you think exist and share this information have no reason to do so but do have reasons not to. Fair amount even get financial kick backs to not share said information. Ask my high school coach who told recruiters our best player was in the weight room all the time when I saw him there exactly 0. Guy got found out real quick in college that 4.4 with no strength equals no playing time BUT hey, he got his scholarship. Don't imagine that school recruits that HS anymore though and that coach is long gone. Gets even worse when HSs doctor grades to get kids eligible and in college they are lost. For every kid that makes it, there are 10 equally as gifted that don't for lots of these reasons and more.
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You think the insiders are with the team, they’re not. These are people who are a part of the community, they don’t have isolated loyalties. The network is much more important to help understand the high school landscape though
 
Blanko97 said:
When it is a core tenant to your leadership and you are willing to boot good players because they don't fit the culture? Yeah, he should be able to do that. When you have one or two bad apples who are starters, that makes sense sometimes you just read them wrong. But when you lose like 8 players before the portal even opens due to "accountability" then i question how well you can judge character. I am sure red is a great guy and smart guy, but if he has a bad b.s. meter then he needs to bring on someone who has a good one. Syracuse isn't in a position to offload talent every year.

also, comparing this to the NFL is ridiculous. Those GMs dont know if they won't pan out on the field but they are well aware of their personal situations. No one drafts OBJ or Antonio Brown because they thought they were getting choir boys. They are paid what they are to identify the best risk reward and then manage the personalities.
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It is not 8 players due to accountability. Your whole point has evaporated.
 
SuFTW said:
No. Not realistic when you are trying to build a culture and are dealing with 18-23 year olds.
Also please name them.
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Belamy, Cruz, Pena, Willis, Gill, and James. Each gets some sort of accountability issue assigned to them after they've played significant snaps. perhaps its just handwaving to dismiss major losses or it could be sign of a bigger issue. We will see next year.

As for the 7th i was thinking about hatcher but his story is more complicated.
 

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