Jordan Tucker Derail Thread

[GooseMutt]

I can't keep up with all these posts. In my mind, he's going to GaTech and just using us. Tobias all over again. Get your claim to fame with an announcement, then go to a school that no one will ever see you play.

Sign me up for men who want to be here. Not those that play kid games, and let parents or handlers pull the strings.

If he comes, then he obviously wants the spotlight. I want a team. Players like HW, OB, MM, Sidibe. Add Nahz, Sid, or whoever wants to be Orange. All of them for all I care. Not an attention seeking family. I want loyalty to the team.

Yes, they have to do what is best for them, but this is a team.

That's exactly the type of player we need to build on. I'm just blown away that he has a choice between being a star at an elite school with history being an NBA springboard for thousands of passionate fans versus being lost in the sauce in Atlanta amongst many other sports programs at a much smaller venue where basketball is not revered like it is in Cuse. It's like a no brainer to me especially if I grew up in Northeast and only in Atlanta for a year. Dad don't do your son a mis- service. It's about him not you

 

[Peacone36]

GaTech hasn't gotten very many guys drafted of late.
Pastner hasn't gotten very many guys drafted at all.

But put them together, and they're the next Kentucky at sending guys to the NBA? :crazy:


Meanwhile, SU has been to 3 Final Fours in Tucker's lifetime, and has had a first rounder drafted for how many consecutive years now?

Well, Paul Hewitt and Brian Gregory were coaching our program as of late so...yeah. Not many displays of offense.

CJP does run a style that exploits offensive strengths (Okogie, Vanilla Godzilla) so at the very least there will be offense and shooting displayed.

If you're an NBA talent they are going to find you. from Arizona St, Weber St, and Davidson are some of the best players in the league right now. Problem is BG probably couldn't recruit refugees from Cuba to come play for him let alone high end College talent ready for the NBA.

 

[Dave]

Of all the reasons in this thread as to why Tucker "must" go to SU, this might hold the least water. IF he is an NBA talent (not so sure that's true, BTW), you're suggesting that not only will NBA scouts be less likely to notice him of he plays for GTech, but he wouldn't even make the league? How can ANY NBA type talent playing in the most exposed league in the nation have his exspoure to NBA scouts drawfed? I think, at best, you are confusing ESPN time with NBA scouting. Or, is it that Pastner is less likely to feature the skill set of an NBA type talent? That makes even less sense.

Wrong. This assumes NBA scouts are some kind of mentally adroit wizards who pierce the shadows of doubt in projecting future performance in a very different setting. Maybe some are. If you don't think MR's run in the tourney didn't affect his draft status, you weren't watching. The run was possible because he played for a program that made it possible. Even for scouts, it is about attention. It is easy to see why this is so. Scouts work for people who have expectations. They compete against other scouts to not get burned. Perception can trump everything in the guessing game which is scouting. Just like recruiting HS kids to college.

 

[Ward]

Yeah, now that's a recipe for success, isn't it?

Yea I don't know why people keep bringing up the fact we added White, Thompson and Gillon late to last year's team as evidence that we're fine. We made the NIT and if we didn't add them probably would've missed the CBI.

We lost at home to SJU by 30, lost on a neutral floor to an awful UConn team, lost at home to a bad Georgetown team, got run out of the gym at BC before we "turned the corner" and developed into a team that was difficult to beat in the dome but still struggled to beat anyone away from it. We beat two teams (neither tournament teams) away from the Dome all year and it took a buzzer beater and Gillon going 9-10 from 3.

Why would I be excited about that being one of the better outcomes if we have some unexpected dominoes fall our way?

 

[justgold315]

I have been creeping the GTECH board for some sort of answers or insider information, and the board is absolutely empty. It is a bunch of guys with hurt feelings about things we post. We have a bunch of passionate fans on here hoping that Cuse can obtain guys to meet expectations of a spoiled fanbase. We have been winners for 40+ years. We do not NEED Tucker to sustain our winning streak, but he will fit perfectly in a winning system. Immediate minutes, immediate impact, etc. GTECH fanbase has an unfounded and unsubstantiated confidence without anything to back them up. Everything is speculation at this point, and Cuse will bounce back and reload even if Tucker does not come here.

 

[GooseMutt]

I have been creeping the GTECH board for some sort of answers or insider information, and the board is absolutely empty. It is a bunch of guys with hurt feelings about things we post. We have a bunch of passionate fans on here hoping that Cuse can obtain guys to meet expectations of a spoiled fanbase. We have been winners for 40+ years. We do not NEED Tucker to sustain our winning streak, but he will fit perfectly in a winning system. Immediate minutes, immediate impact, etc. GTECH fanbase has an unfounded and unsubstantiated confidence without anything to back them up. Everything is speculation at this point, and Cuse will bounce back and reload even if Tucker does not come here.

Agreed and Syracuse basketball is bigger than Tucker or any recruit for that matter. Those that want to be here will come and that's who we want

 

[NineOneSeven]

GaTech hasn't gotten very many guys drafted of late.
Pastner hasn't gotten very many guys drafted at all.

But put them together, and they're the next Kentucky at sending guys to the NBA? :crazy:


Meanwhile, SU has been to 3 Final Fours in Tucker's lifetime, and has had a first rounder drafted for how many consecutive years now?

Maybe... Just maybe... He hasn't had NBA players

 

[RF2044]

Yea I don't know why people keep bringing up the fact we added White, Thompson and Gillon late to last year's team as evidence that we're fine. We made the NIT and if we didn't add them probably would've missed the CBI.

We lost at home to SJU by 30, lost on a neutral floor to an awful UConn team, lost at home to a bad Georgetown team, got run out of the gym at BC before we "turned the corner" and developed into a team that was difficult to beat in the dome but still struggled to beat anyone away from it. We beat two teams (neither tournament teams) away from the Dome all year and it took a buzzer beater and Gillon going 9-10 from 3.

Why would I be excited about that being one of the better outcomes if we have some unexpected dominoes fall our way?

Spot on. And I'll also add that Gillon / White were atypical 5th year transfers in that they were capable of being impact players / stepping into starting roles / playing at a high level in the ACC. That won't be the case with many [most?] 5th year transfer options. It's a dangerous spot to be in.

 

[NineOneSeven]

Fact: GT doesnt get kids in the NBA

If John Collins and Jon Isaac were on Ga tech last year, would they not be first round picks/NBA draftees?

 

[IthacaMatt]

You'd have preferred we not land AWIII at the last minute? :crazy:

It's just nice to still have a fallback option, if the HS recruiting doesn't go as planned.
We didn't land TT or Uncle Drew until very late last year - we woulda been screwed without either of them.

Do you think maybe our chemistry would have been better as a team if they had committed back in May, and then spent the summer on campus getting to know their teammates?

 

[Bayside44]

Maybe... Just maybe... He hasn't had NBA players

Put Ben Lammers in the Cuse and he's NBA bound yesterday.

 

[721Comstock]

Do you think maybe our chemistry would have been better as a team if they had committed back in May, and then spent the summer on campus getting to know their teammates?

Given that AWIII didn't even declare he was going to x-fer until JUNE, that woulda been really hard to pull off.

 

[HoustonCuse]

If John Collins and Jon Isaac were on Ga tech last year, would they not be first round picks/NBA draftees?

I completely agree with this. I find that the argument is mostly fallacy. It is similar to saying Calipari gets guys to the NBA. All he does is provide housing for future lottery picks. They were lottery picks no matter where they went. Now, that said - Jordan Tucker is of a different class, he is not Anthony Davis. And Syracuse has been amazingly effective at getting that next rung down type player into the NBA. Ennis, Grant, Lydon, Richardson, etc. Those type of players that don't have a flashing NBA Lottery sign over the head from the age of 16. Effectively and consistently getting guys like that drafted in the first round after a year or two of college is something Syracuse has been incredibly good at in the last 6 - 8 years (to the program's detriment on the court). That is the strata that Jordan Tucker is in and that is by far the biggest selling point of going to Syracuse. If a kid or his family can't recognize that fact it is either because they aren't interested in the NBA or they aren't thinking things through (or are entranced by other incredibly relevant shiny objects like a freaking TNT studio tour).

As to our half of this equation: if our coaches are not selling the living heck out of this aspect of our program, they need to be marched to the unemployment office A-double-SAP. Because we have taken a big hit for all those guys leaving early - if we don't turn that into a recruiting benefit on the back end then we are in a lose-lose situation.

 

[EastCoast2]

If John Collins and Jon Isaac were on Ga tech last year, would they not be first round picks/NBA draftees?

Anthony Davis would've been a first round pick if he played at Suny Cortland.

 

[NineOneSeven]

Well, Paul Hewitt and Brian Gregory were coaching our program as of late so...yeah. Not many displays of offense.

CJP does run a style that exploits offensive strengths (Okogie, Vanilla Godzilla) so at the very least there will be offense and shooting displayed.

If you're an NBA talent they are going to find you. from Arizona St, Weber St, and Davidson are some of the best players in the league right now. Problem is BG probably couldn't recruit refugees from Cuba to come play for him let alone high end College talent ready for the NBA.

I'll add San Diego state (leonard), Washington state (thompson), Lehigh (McCollum), Fresno st (George)

 

[AAcuse2005]

Put Ben Lammers in the Cuse and he's NBA bound yesterday.

Lammers was a three star prospect who the Tech coaching staff has done a great job developing into an NBA prospect. And he will have a shot at the NBA once he graduates with his mechanical engineering degree.

But yea, I bet he would have been a OADer at the Cuse.

 

[orangefog]

Lammers was a three star prospect who the Tech coaching staff has done a great job developing into an NBA prospect. And he will have a shot at the NBA once he graduates with his mechanical engineering degree.

But yea, I bet he would have been a OADer at the Cuse.

Sounds like Lydon.

 

[Day2]

Yea I don't know why people keep bringing up the fact we added White, Thompson and Gillon late to last year's team as evidence that we're fine. We made the NIT and if we didn't add them probably would've missed the CBI.

We lost at home to SJU by 30, lost on a neutral floor to an awful UConn team, lost at home to a bad Georgetown team, got run out of the gym at BC before we "turned the corner" and developed into a team that was difficult to beat in the dome but still struggled to beat anyone away from it. We beat two teams (neither tournament teams) away from the Dome all year and it took a buzzer beater and Gillon going 9-10 from 3.

Why would I be excited about that being one of the better outcomes if we have some unexpected dominoes fall our way?

Because you can't possibly expect the exact same outcome from different players. Maybe we'll be worse, maybe we'll be better, but the point is that it is possible to add quality players over the summer. That's it. The well hasn't run dry.

 

[TinyManInside]

Yea I don't know why people keep bringing up the fact we added White, Thompson and Gillon late to last year's team as evidence that we're fine. We made the NIT and if we didn't add them probably would've missed the CBI.

We lost at home to SJU by 30, lost on a neutral floor to an awful UConn team, lost at home to a bad Georgetown team, got run out of the gym at BC before we "turned the corner" and developed into a team that was difficult to beat in the dome but still struggled to beat anyone away from it. We beat two teams (neither tournament teams) away from the Dome all year and it took a buzzer beater and Gillon going 9-10 from 3.

Why would I be excited about that being one of the better outcomes if we have some unexpected dominoes fall our way?

This should be pinned at the top of the recruiting board. 100% agree, great points all around.

We're Syracuse, not Providence...

 

[Ward]

Because you can't possibly expect the exact same outcome from different players. Maybe we'll be worse, maybe we'll be better, but the point is that it is possible to add quality players over the summer. That's it. The well hasn't run dry.

I don't think scrambling to add whatever player shakes loose in the May-August window is really the recipe for success.

Does it concern you at all that we were in the position we were in in the first place a year ago, then were armed with ample playing time, scholarships and the momentum off an improbable and exciting F4 run going into the 2017 recruiting cycle and more or less find ourselves in the same situation a year later?

 

[RF2044]

I don't think scrambling to add whatever player shakes loose in the May-August window is really the recipe for success.

Does it concern you at all that we were in the position we were in in the first place a year ago, then were armed with ample playing time, scholarships and the momentum off an improbable and exciting F4 run going into the 2017 recruiting cycle and more or less find ourselves in the same situation a year later?

Your last sentence provides a much needed dose of reality for the board.

We have a HOF coach, the biggest venue in college basketball, the 5th winningest program of all time, and play in the best conference in college basketball. We're have clear holes in our starting lineup, and thus can offer nearly unlimited PT / shots / starting roles, and we're coming off of a recent final four run, and yet haven't been able to capitalize on the recruiting trail -- why is that?

Was it JB being disengaged due to the Olympics last year? Effort of the staff not being what it should be? Slippage? Other factors?

 

[Melancer46]

I'll add San Diego state (leonard), Washington state (thompson), Lehigh (McCollum), Fresno st (George)

Also, Giannis from the University of Really Small Barely Professional Greek League (URSBPGL)

 

[jr4750]

Your last sentence provides a much needed dose of reality for the board.

We have a HOF coach, the biggest venue in college basketball, the 5th winningest program of all time, and play in the best conference in college basketball. We're have clear holes in our starting lineup, and thus can offer nearly unlimited PT / shots / starting roles, and we're coming off of a recent final four run, and yet haven't been able to capitalize on the recruiting trail -- why is that?

Was it JB being disengaged due to the Olympics last year? Effort of the staff not being what it should be? Slippage? Other factors?

All valid questions. Another valid question, does JB see problems in current process, and does he have the energy or desire to make the changes to correct them? Here's more, are we seeing changes in 2018 that have not happened in 2017? Was as you described the Olympics, JB's pending retirement, Hops fear that JB didn't want to retire, NCAA sanctions, etc., all the perfect storm to get us to this point? Does Griff, Gmac, and Autry have the ability to get us the top kids and move the train past this time?

 

[Fly Rodder]

I am curious as to what the plan was before the staff went all-in on Jordan Tucker after a 6-month layoff. A 5th year?

 

[Day2]

I don't think scrambling to add whatever player shakes loose in the May-August window is really the recipe for success.

Does it concern you at all that we were in the position we were in in the first place a year ago, then were armed with ample playing time, scholarships and the momentum off an improbable and exciting F4 run going into the 2017 recruiting cycle and more or less find ourselves in the same situation a year later?

It's May, so no, I'm not concerned. Let's talk again in August.