Josh Allen Medically DQ'd

[CuseLegacy]

From camp today. Not surprising.

 

[bcubs9497]

From camp today. Not surprising.

Feel for the guy. He CAN"T say anything.

 

[Bayside44]

"Should?" 100%.

Doesn't mean that they will, though.

Everything seems to get reviewed at a university, why should this be any different?

 

[tep624]

just a question, how long does the parent of a former player who transferred to a future opponent, that keeps trashing the program, get to post what he wants with impunity on this board. it's purely a hypothetical on my part I was just wondering if that were to occur, what it might mean.

Oh good grief. You of all people shouldn't be calling out any posters about what they post.

The way that you talk to people on the OT board should have punched your ticket a long time ago.

 

[Ish88888]

Not silly at all. He is a small time family practitioner put in charge of a major P5 level sports program. He has no idea about how a professional sports Med staff should operate. Amateurish fits the description best.

Call it what you want but the kids and coaching staff deserve much better...and recruiting is now suffering from it. Defending Tucker, now that is silly.

Agree, well stated. Small time family practitioner. No place for such a doc in college fb. BS. Sad, that eligibility decisions are in the hands of 70 yo family practitioners and NOT more progressive docs with ortho and/or neuro backgrounds. These aren't physicals for 10 year old kids.

 

[Toga]

Agree, well stated. Small time family practitioner. No place for such a doc in college fb. BS. Sad, that eligibility decisions are in the hands of 70 yo family practitioners and NOT more progressive docs with ortho and/or neuro backgrounds. These aren't physicals for 10 year old kids.

Turn your head and cough. Next.

 

[orangehomer]

Oh good grief. You of all people shouldn't be calling out any posters about what they post.

The way that you talk to people on the OT board should have punched your ticket a long time ago.

it could be that the use of the word "impunity" came across the wrong way. i wasn't saying that the moderators should intervene in any way. i was just trying to ask a question, bcubs status in terms of being a poster will change significantly in the next 12 months or so. he is going from parent of a player, to pissed-off-parent-of-an-ex-player, to pissed-off-parent-of-an-ex-player-that-is-now-an-opponent. it seems to me to be pretty unusual. i don't have anything against the guy. he has been pretty negative on the program for several months now, and it could be totally justified (that isn't for me to decide), but at some point we get to question the motives behind the posts as the program move forward right? i was just posing a hypothetical question as to when to we start defending the program against the ex-parent that is trashing it. nothing personal. and what do you mean "punched my ticket"? you can't wear a skirt to the OT board .

 

[sufandu]

it could be that the use of the word "impunity" came across the wrong way. i wasn't saying that the moderators should intervene in any way. i was just trying to ask a question, bcubs status in terms of being a poster will change significantly in the next 12 months or so. he is going from parent of a player, to pissed-off-parent-of-an-ex-player, to pissed-off-parent-of-an-ex-player-that-is-now-an-opponent. it seems to me to be pretty unusual. i don't have anything against the guy. he has been pretty negative on the program for several months now, and it could be totally justified (that isn't for me to decide), but at some point we get to question the motives behind the posts as the program move forward right? i was just posing a hypothetical question as to when to we start defending the program against the ex-parent that is trashing it. nothing personal. and what do you mean "punched my ticket"? you can't wear a skirt to the OT board .

Has he been negative about the whole program? I don't think so. He's been negative about the med staff. Understandable. He's been negative about the tampa 2. Ok, not uncommon on this board over the last year. He's complimented the S&C staff. He's complimented Dino. He's complimented other coaches past and present. He's given positive and negative opinion about players, mostly positive. Sounds like a pretty normal contributor to me.

 

[bnoro]

Agree, well stated. Small time family practitioner. No place for such a doc in college fb. BS. Sad, that eligibility decisions are in the hands of 70 yo family practitioners and NOT more progressive docs with ortho and/or neuro backgrounds. These aren't physicals for 10 year old kids.

Why don't we just let you do it since you know best.

There are clearly some issues with the process but let's not all act like we know what's best because none of us do.

 

[Yegorange]

Why don't we just let you do it since you know best.

There are clearly some issues with the process but let's not all act like we know what's best because none of us do.

"Some" issues? So what is best for a sports program in your opinion? An old time family practiotiner - seemingly questioned for awhile now - or a state of the art medical staff? Apparently it's so nuanced nobody can tell a difference.

 

[bcubs9497]

it could be that the use of the word "impunity" came across the wrong way. i wasn't saying that the moderators should intervene in any way. i was just trying to ask a question, bcubs status in terms of being a poster will change significantly in the next 12 months or so. he is going from parent of a player, to pissed-off-parent-of-an-ex-player, to pissed-off-parent-of-an-ex-player-that-is-now-an-opponent. it seems to me to be pretty unusual. i don't have anything against the guy. he has been pretty negative on the program for several months now, and it could be totally justified (that isn't for me to decide), but at some point we get to question the motives behind the posts as the program move forward right? i was just posing a hypothetical question as to when to we start defending the program against the ex-parent that is trashing it. nothing personal. and what do you mean "punched my ticket"? you can't wear a skirt to the OT board .

Don't see you up here much...

 

[AZOrange]

Why don't we just let you do it since you know best.

There are clearly some issues with the process but let's not all act like we know what's best because none of us do.

Agreed. And the hard part here, that many seem to be discounting, is the seriousness of these issues. These aren't ankle sprains. We are talking blood clots, heart issues and concussions. These are tough issues.

 

[sufandu]

Agreed. And the hard part here, that many seem to be discounting, is the seriousness of these issues. These aren't ankle sprains. We are talking blood clots, heart issues and concussions. These are tough issues.

I don't think anyone is discounting the seriousness of anything. On the contrary, the primary reason for the uproar is that a person that is not an expert in these conditions is 1. sometimes not consulting specialists (see Kyle Knapp) and 2. contradicting the expertise of specialists (see Steven Clark).

I certainly understand the seriousness of these conditions. In doing home health, I've sent people to the hospital for some of them.

 

[dasher]

Why don't we just let you do it since you know best.

There are clearly some issues with the process but let's not all act like we know what's best because none of us do.

Thank you. Exactly. Suddenly we have a lot of medical experts here. I will just say this, if we ever had a kid die after he was cleared, that would be a neutron bomb on not just the football program but the University as well. Not to mention the tragedy of the young man and his family. I will however admit, that I have no idea what kind of job Dr Tucker does. And I would bet, no one else here does either.

 

[Alsacs]

Thank you. Exactly. Suddenly we have a lot of medical experts here. I will just say this, if we ever had a kid die after he was cleared, that would be a neutron bomb on not just the football program but the University as well. Not to mention the tragedy of the young man and his family. I will however admit, that I have no idea what kind of job Dr Tucker does. And I would bet, no one else here does either.

Tragedies happen all the time in college football. Kent State and Ohio U lost a player each this past spring during workouts. Syracuse doesn't want to lose a football player obviously but it wouldn't be unprecedented if one passed away.
Nobody in this thread is a medical expert but using logic it's obvious our medical experts are lot a more conservative than most other
schools.
People disagreeing with the people who are wanting change are just as obnoxious as the people they are disagreeing with.Both sides have legitimate arguments and I'm not saying you're not saying that but I'm making the point. The poster you're responding to admonishes anyone who has an opinion he disagrees with well his opinion could be right but could also be wrong and there's no need for the lecturing posts from him that he makes consistently on people who feel strongly one way that he happens to disagree with.

 

[Killdozer]

Agreed. And the hard part here, that many seem to be discounting, is the seriousness of these issues. These aren't ankle sprains. We are talking blood clots, heart issues and concussions. These are tough issues.

Too funny!! Tucker and staff are directly responsible for Steven's blood clot issue with the small brace. I don't care how much some of you want to defend Tucker but, "These tough issues" don't seem to be as tough with Dr's that are specialist. Bottom line is that the SU Med staff is a joke and that is all that matters!!

Next subject........

 

[Alsacs]

Too funny!! Tucker and staff are directly responsible for Steven's blood clot issue with the small brace. I don't care how much some of you want to defend Tucker but, "These tough issues" don't seem to be as tough with Dr's that are specialist. Bottom line is that the SU Med staff is a joke and that is all that matters!!

Next subject.....

You're just going to get obnoxious well you don't know that for a fact posts. Even though you're probably factually correct the other side wants to play that well you can't prove it so it can't be 100% true game.

 

[Killdozer]

You're just going to get obnoxious well you don't know that for a fact posts. Even though you're probably factually correct the other side wants to play that well you can't prove it so it can't be 100% true game.

Yeah, I'm aware of all the "It's nobodies fault and just happened" group of posters. For me, I believe that the blame falls fully onto the medical staff. I'm not worried about hurting anyone's feelings, face-to-face or posting on this board.

 

[AZOrange]

Thank you. Exactly. Suddenly we have a lot of medical experts here. I will just say this, if we ever had a kid die after he was cleared, that would be a neutron bomb on not just the football program but the University as well. Not to mention the tragedy of the young man and his family. I will however admit, that I have no idea what kind of job Dr Tucker does. And I would bet, no one else here does either.

That's exactly it Dash. I don't know how many times it has to be said that Tucker may not be the right guy for us but these folks make these pronouncements in a bubble and exclaim the guy is an amateur etc. it's ridiculous.

 

[Chip]

Too funny!! Tucker and staff are directly responsible for Steven's blood clot issue with the small brace. I don't care how much some of you want to defend Tucker but, "These tough issues" don't seem to be as tough with Dr's that are specialist. Bottom line is that the SU Med staff is a joke and that is all that matters!!

Next subject.....

You should stop donating to the program. That will send a message.

 

[AZOrange]

Too funny!! Tucker and staff are directly responsible for Steven's blood clot issue with the small brace. I don't care how much some of you want to defend Tucker but, "These tough issues" don't seem to be as tough with Dr's that are specialist. Bottom line is that the SU Med staff is a joke and that is all that matters!!

Next subject.....

I put my faith in guys like Wildhack to analyze the situation's facts and come to a reasonable conclusion. Not rely on the knee jerk peanut gallery here.

 

[AZOrange]

You should stop donating to the program. That will send a message.

Or send another email...

 

[javadoc]

Thank you. Exactly. Suddenly we have a lot of medical experts here. I will just say this, if we ever had a kid die after he was cleared, that would be a neutron bomb on not just the football program but the University as well. Not to mention the tragedy of the young man and his family. I will however admit, that I have no idea what kind of job Dr Tucker does. And I would bet, no one else here does either.

Straw man.

 

[bcubs9497]

Thank you. Exactly. Suddenly we have a lot of medical experts here. I will just say this, if we ever had a kid die after he was cleared, that would be a neutron bomb on not just the football program but the University as well. Not to mention the tragedy of the young man and his family. I will however admit, that I have no idea what kind of job Dr Tucker does. And I would bet, no one else here does either.

I can't speak to Allen's issue, other than to say that his claim of being unaware that he'd been DQ'd is completely plausible given my personal experience with med staff, and it is congruent with what has been related to me by others in their dealings with Tucker.

I CAN, however, state, yet again, that 5 of 7 specialists cleared Steven during their initial consultations; DiFino reversed his decision after speaking with Kouides. A grand total of 6 specialists for, a GP against. Parenthetically, Allen does NOT have Factor 5 Leiden (stated in Bailey's article). Goes to show you that tragedies can occur, without warning, on or off the field. Each one of those specialists stressed to us that the risk to Steven is minimal; only slightly more than you sitting on your couch.

 

[Alsacs]

I put my faith in guys like Wildhack to analyze the situation's facts and come to a reasonable conclusion. Not rely on the knee jerk peanut gallery here.

Yeah it's knee jerk. Congrats for not paying attention as we have been told Coyle was in the process of getting rid of Tucker and making a change in the medical situation.
Have all the faith you want in Wildhack you want. Thus far he has not done much at all to show he will be good at the job. Boeheim is the one with the most juice in the athletic department.