Josh Allen Medically DQ'd

[Newhouser]

I can't speak to Allen's issue, other than to say that his claim of being unaware that he'd been DQ'd is completely plausible given my personal experience with med staff, and it is congruent with what has been related to me by others in their dealings with Tucker.

I CAN, however, state, yet again, that 5 of 7 specialists cleared Steven during their initial consultations; DiFino reversed his decision after speaking with Kouides. A grand total of 6 specialists for, a GP against. Parenthetically, Allen does NOT have Factor 5 Leiden (stated in Bailey's article). Goes to show you that tragedies can occur, without warning, on or off the field. Each one of those specialists stressed to us that the risk to Steven is minimal; only slightly more than you sitting on your couch.

Question that you may have already answered and if so I apologize. If the original knee brace that was given to your son his clotting issue would have never existed or you wouldn't have known that it existed at this time? Don't have to share on a public forum obviously. More curious than anything.

 

[dasher]

Yeah it's knee jerk. Congrats for not paying attention as we have been told Coyle was in the process of getting rid of Tucker and making a change in the medical situation.
Have all the faith you want in Wildhack you want. Thus far he has not done much at all to show he will be good at the job. Boeheim is the one with the most juice in the athletic department.

What exactly could Wildhack have done so far that you would find his job satisfactory. I mean, I have to say, none of us have any idea what he does in any given day. And I am not considering underlings who probably think they should have the job and nothing the boss can do would be good enough for them.

 

[RandomGuy]

That's exactly it Dash. I don't know how many times it has to be said that Tucker may not be the right guy for us but these folks make these pronouncements in a bubble and exclaim the guy is an amateur etc. it's ridiculous.

The amateur at best statement is from coyle, who has intimate knowledge of the situation. It's a looking glass, not a bubble.

 

[AZOrange]

The amateur at best statement is from coyle, who has intimate knowledge of the situation. It's from the inside.

It's an absurd comment coming from anyone. But given his tenure here not surprising. He should've dealt with it.

 

[Alsacs]

What exactly could Wildhack have done so far that you would find his job satisfactory. I mean, I have to say, none of us have any idea what he does in any given day. And I am not considering underlings who probably think they should have the job and nothing the boss can do would be good enough for them.

Fundraise. I have it on good authority fundraising is down this past year. That was one of the best things Dr. Gross did. He spent like a drunken sailor but he did bring in more funds than before him.

Also you know the stuff about Boeheim-Hopkins that doesn't happen if we had a strong AD.

Wildhack gets all this hype because he has TV experience. He is clearly learning on the job. We don't have his Tom Jurich or Jeremy Foley AD.

We have a guy who people like because of ESPN. I just want facilities being upgraded, raise funds, keep coaches etc.

Wildhack has an incomplete. He hasn't been this great AD or been a failure. I am pumping the breaks on the he has good mindset.

 

[bcubs9497]

Question that you may have already answered and if so I apologize. If the original knee brace that was given to your son his clotting issue would have never existed or you wouldn't have known that it existed at this time? Don't have to share on a public forum obviously. More curious than anything.

Steven had the exact same injury as a high school sophomore (2012 season). Pretty sure it was even the same knee. At the time of the injury, just before the end of the first half of the game against Geraldine, the team trainer iced it down and applied an ACE wrap. Next day, took Steven down to Huntsville and he was fitted with a knee brace at SportsMed (Our Locations :: Huntsville :: SportsMED). Never had a problem. He was out for 2 games and finished out the rest of the season.

So, to make a long story short, no, we probably wouldn't have known that Steven has heterozygous Factor 5 Leiden.

 

[UnknownOrange]

Fundraise. I have it on good authority fundraising is down this past year. That was one of the best things Dr. Gross did. He spent like a drunken sailor but he did bring in more funds than before him.

Also you know the stuff about Boeheim-Hopkins that doesn't happen if we had a strong AD.

Wildhack gets all this hype because he has TV experience. He is clearly learning on the job. We don't have his Tom Jurich or Jeremy Foley AD.

We have a guy who people like because of ESPN. I just want facilities being upgraded, raise funds, keep coaches etc.

Wildhack has an incomplete. He hasn't been this great AD or been a failure. I am pumping the breaks on the he has good mindset.

Maybe on a grand scale once or twice but if that was one of his best things he did... yikes

 

[RandomGuy]

It's an absurd comment coming from anyone. But given his tenure here not surprising. He should've dealt with it.

I agree. It's an absurd statement, for anyone doing their job properly. With parental info, and the former guy in charge? It's absurd that anyone has to say it. But it doesn't change the facts, that there is some absurd stuff happening, that none of us would accept from our personal MD.

It's absurd that the football staff. And players avoid the med staff, whenever possible. It's absurd to have a doc not trusted, by all those in his care. Many of us consider this absurd. Fine if you don't, but it's a bad situation, that needs to be rectified.

 

[Toga]

Thank you. Exactly. Suddenly we have a lot of medical experts here. I will just say this, if we ever had a kid die after he was cleared, that would be a neutron bomb on not just the football program but the University as well. Not to mention the tragedy of the young man and his family. I will however admit, that I have no idea what kind of job Dr Tucker does. And I would bet, no one else here does either.

One doesn't need to have medical expertise to figure out there something wrong with the process when a 71 year old primary care physician can disregard the views of a handful of specialists and the kid is playing D1 ball elsewhere.

 

[AZOrange]

Maybe on a grand scale once or twice but if that was one of his best things he did... yikes

At least he was good enough to spend every penny he raised (and more). On what I'm not sure

 

[Cuse'91]

One doesn't need to have medical expertise to figure out there something wrong with the process when a 71 year old primary care physician can disregard the views of a handful of specialists and the kid is playing D1 ball elsewhere.

Unless?

 

[bcubs9497]

One doesn't need to have medical expertise to figure out there something wrong with the process when a 71 year old primary care physician can disregard the views of a handful of specialists and the kid is playing D1 ball elsewhere.

Or somehow botch it up in telling Josh Allen he's been DQed.

 

[AZOrange]

I agree. It's an absurd statement, for anyone doing their job properly. With parental info, and the former guy in charge? It's absurd that anyone has to say it. But it doesn't change the facts, that there is some absurd stuff happening, that none of us would accept from our personal MD.

It's absurd that the football staff. And players avoid the med staff, whenever possible. It's absurd to have a doc not trusted, by all those in his care. Many of us consider this absurd. Fine if you don't, but it's a bad situation, that needs to be rectified.

I didn't say I didn't think it was. I've been pretty clear about that. The guy may or may not be the right doc for us. But calling a doctor, an amateur is just facially absurd.

I will let the powers that be make the end determination. They have all the facts and more. Fans think they do. If Dino and crew are so anti-med staff then a bunch of fans yelping from the gallery is almost meaningless. The powers are NOT going to make this decision on the backs of fan reactions.

 

[chakka3421]

One doesn't need to have medical expertise to figure out there something wrong with the process when a 71 year old primary care physician can disregard the views of a handful of specialists and the kid is playing D1 ball elsewhere.

Sorry but logic doesn't apply here it seems...

Don't know how many times I've stated the obvious from the outside looking in! Regardless those on the inside confirm it's much worse.

The med program is not set up well or designed to work like other P5 programs let alone ACC programs. It's becoming a competitive disadvantage on many different levels from treatment to recruiting. Above all else the kids and coaches deserve much much better than the current shite show!

Hopefully the current admin will conduct a thorough investigation, do a complete benchmark analysis and the replace the amateur Tucker...for those of you not following along - I'm sure Tucker is a good small practice family practitioner but he's unqualified and lacks experience to head up and properly structure a major P5 med program with competent sports med procedures. Nuff said on my part don't like repeating myself over and over and over and over and over again.

 

[Killdozer]

I didn't say I didn't think it was. I've been pretty clear about that. The guy may or may not be the right doc for us. But calling a doctor, an amateur is just facially absurd.

I will let the powers that be make the end determination. They have all the facts and more. Fans think they do. If Dino and crew are so anti-med staff then a bunch of fans yelping from the gallery is almost meaningless. The powers are NOT going to make this decision on the backs of fan reactions.

Well good for you...("I will let the powers that be make the end determination.") !! I will not allow myself to put blinders on and in fact do blame Tucker and his lame a$$ medical degree from the 1800's. Maybe he can sprinkle some of that magic elixir that he obtained from the traveling medicine shows.

 

[Alsacs]

Sorry but logic doesn't apply here it seems...

Don't know how many times I've stated the obvious from the outside looking in! Regardless those on the inside confirm it's much worse.

The med program is not set up well or designed to work like other P5 programs let alone ACC programs. It's becoming a competitive disadvantage on many different levels from treatment to recruiting. Above all else the kids and coaches deserve much much better than the current shite show!

Hopefully the current admin will conduct a thorough investigation, do a complete benchmark analysis and the replace the amateur Tucker...for those of you not following along - I'm sure Tucker is a good small practice family practitioner but he's unqualified and lacks experience to head up and properly structure a major P5 med program with competent sports med procedures. Nuff said on my part don't like repeating myself over and over and over and over and over again.

Has Wildhack followed thru on what Coyle was in the process of doing?
Did Wildhack know about these problems before the Clark situation put spotlight on it.

 

[Chip]

Has Wildhack followed thru on what Coyle was in the process of doing?
Did Wildhack know about these problems before the Clark situation put spotlight on it.

This whole thing can be summarized with one question. Are Wildhack and Dino on the same page on this issue?

If yes, then everyone should clam up and let them do what they need to do, the way they want to do it.

If not, then houston there's a problem.

I guess part B to that would be if they are on the same page but both powerless to fix it because it's being rejected above them. Also a houston issue.

 

[bcubs9497]

This whole thing can be summarized with one question. Are Wildhack and Dino on the same page on this issue?

If yes, then everyone should clam up and let them do what they need to do, the way they want to do it.

If not, then houston there's a problem.

I guess part B to that would be if they are on the same page but both powerless to fix it because it's being rejected above them. Also a houston issue.

BoT...

 

[chakka3421]

Has Wildhack followed thru on what Coyle was in the process of doing?
Did Wildhack know about these problems before the Clark situation put spotlight on it.

I don't know much about Wildhack only met him once in passing at a function - can't say much but was told he has started to benchmark with other ACC/P5 programs regarding the med program here.

Day to day operations falls under Herm Frazier. I don't know if Wildhack gets his hands dirty by getting into the nitty gritty or leaves all this daily operational shite up to Frazier. I do know that Wildhack is looking to negotiate contractual relationships (aka Nike, ACC TV channel) and develop better relationships with the coaching staffs so he seems to be working on a much higher level to build long term stability at SUAD.

Regarding day to day - probably still OJT for him - have to give Wildhack the benefit of the doubt for now but time will tell.

 

[RandomGuy]

I didn't say I didn't think it was. I've been pretty clear about that. The guy may or may not be the right doc for us. But calling a doctor, an amateur is just facially absurd.

I will let the powers that be make the end determination. They have all the facts and more. Fans think they do. If Dino and crew are so anti-med staff then a bunch of fans yelping from the gallery is almost meaningless. The powers are NOT going to make this decision on the backs of fan reactions.

I think the amateur part, is that he's a gen MD, in a field where you might expect a sports med doctor.. (or at least you'd hope for an expert, for the job he is charged with). Obviously, the players, and previous have noticed it. Not good.

Fans yelling, may be meaningless. But if it spills over into a pr problem, and could potentially affect possible recruits? $$$ I think it's possible to affect change, or at least move along the conversation, to make some improvements.

Players and staff not trusting their doc, is never a good thing

 

[AZOrange]

I think the amateur part, is that he's a gen MD, in a field where you might expect a sports med doctor.. (or at least you'd hope for an expert, for the job he is charged with). Obviously, the players, and previous have noticed it. Not good.

Fans yelling, may be meaningless. But if it spills over into a pr problem, and could potentially affect possible recruits? $$$ I think it's possible to affect change, or at least move along the conversation, to make some improvements.

Players and staff not trusting their doc, is never a good thing

I guess that's in part, my point. If the players and staff know it's a problem the Wildhack does. If Wildhack does the Syverud does. And as Bcubs said (correctly) this is ultimately a BOT issue.

EDIT: and to be clear (again), I truly appreciate the insider perspective that Bcubs and others (Bam and others) provide. This is tough stuff on both sides.

 

[Cheriehoop]

You mean if you further hurt the program and undermine Dino's continued attempts to bring us to that next level, you think it will be worth it. I imagine that the coaches, athletic dept (and impact boosters) etc are more than 'on' this issue. They are big boys who know the facts, the entire story, the repercussions (including with the NCAA) and are the ones whose actual jobs and livelihood are affected by these decisions.

 

[sufandu]

You mean if you further hurt the program and undermine Dino's continued attempts to bring us to that next level, you think it will be worth it. I imagine that the coaches, athletic dept (and impact boosters) etc are more than 'on' this issue. They are big boys who know the facts, the entire story, the repercussions (including with the NCAA) and are the ones whose actual jobs and livelihood are affected by these decisions.

Except somtimes things don't get done until the public perception takes a hit. If they weren't on it before, and from what players parents are saying, it sounds like they weren't, hopefully they are now. It wouldn't surprise me if there are people that have wanted change that are quietly smiling in the hopes that the uproar of the Clark situation pushes it forward.

 

[bcubs9497]

You mean if you further hurt the program and undermine Dino's continued attempts to bring us to that next level, you think it will be worth it. I imagine that the coaches, athletic dept (and impact boosters) etc are more than 'on' this issue. They are big boys who know the facts, the entire story, the repercussions (including with the NCAA) and are the ones whose actual jobs and livelihood are affected by these decisions.

What do you mean by "further hurt the program"?

 

[dasher]

Fundraise. I have it on good authority fundraising is down this past year. That was one of the best things Dr. Gross did. He spent like a drunken sailor but he did bring in more funds than before him.

Also you know the stuff about Boeheim-Hopkins that doesn't happen if we had a strong AD.

Wildhack gets all this hype because he has TV experience. He is clearly learning on the job. We don't have his Tom Jurich or Jeremy Foley AD.

We have a guy who people like because of ESPN. I just want facilities being upgraded, raise funds, keep coaches etc.

Wildhack has an incomplete. He hasn't been this great AD or been a failure. I am pumping the breaks on the he has good mindset.

Right about now, I'll pass on Tom Jurich.