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No it doesn’t.
Judah Mintz to test NBA Draft waters
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so you're saying he gone.
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I completely agree! Once again. The microphone screwed up what I'm trying to say. I don't have time to text the traditional way because I'm just not that fast at it and I prefer not to do it so once in a while. More often than I like , that is the result. Putting ?s and periods where they shouldn't be
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Judah at 55 (out of 58) in the latest ESPN mock draft. Seems about right to me.
Is this the best he thinks he can do? Then go.
I think he could be a first rounder with another year.
Is this the best he thinks he can do? Then go.
I think he could be a first rounder with another year.
The dream is the NBA and not extended time in college. So, just the chance of being drafted, even if it's late second round, is more appealing to most than to go back to school for another year to improve your draft stock. There are other factors; kid doesn't like classes, kid didn't keep a respectable GPA because come hell or high water the plan was to never return, and lastly, handlers/yes men not offering sage advice.
If Judah decides to stay in the draft and is a late 2nd rounder or an undrafted player who gets a two way contract, it will be a long hard road to an NBA career. It is really hard for guards to make the league as they are plentiful and are the ball handlers/decision makers. It's so easy to get lost in the shuffle as the NBA is rarely patient and they don't have to be as again, guards are plentiful and each year there are many Judah's leaving college with big holes in their game. Where are guys who were just as talented, had the potential tag and left school earlier than they should have? A few recent examples... Josh Shelby, Trevon Duval, Nico Mannion, Isaiah Briscoe. One more year to these young guys seems like a lifetime and they lack the maturity and insight to be patient and to get it until it's too late.
Some posters tend to say, one more year would not make a difference for certain players, and sometimes that is correct but it's a case by case situation. I feel that Judah is a much better shooter than he displayed freshman year. With better athletic players around him this upcoming season, continued work on his shot, and very important - a much weaker draft next year, he should be a guaranteed first rounder. Timing and positioning yourself to be a first rounder can make a world of difference in a team having no choice but to diligently work and be patient with their investment if the returns aren't good right away.
If Judah decides to stay in the draft and is a late 2nd rounder or an undrafted player who gets a two way contract, it will be a long hard road to an NBA career. It is really hard for guards to make the league as they are plentiful and are the ball handlers/decision makers. It's so easy to get lost in the shuffle as the NBA is rarely patient and they don't have to be as again, guards are plentiful and each year there are many Judah's leaving college with big holes in their game. Where are guys who were just as talented, had the potential tag and left school earlier than they should have? A few recent examples... Josh Shelby, Trevon Duval, Nico Mannion, Isaiah Briscoe. One more year to these young guys seems like a lifetime and they lack the maturity and insight to be patient and to get it until it's too late.
Some posters tend to say, one more year would not make a difference for certain players, and sometimes that is correct but it's a case by case situation. I feel that Judah is a much better shooter than he displayed freshman year. With better athletic players around him this upcoming season, continued work on his shot, and very important - a much weaker draft next year, he should be a guaranteed first rounder. Timing and positioning yourself to be a first rounder can make a world of difference in a team having no choice but to diligently work and be patient with their investment if the returns aren't good right away.
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this is one of the hardest player decisions for me to call that i can think of...I think he's right on the cusp of go or stay...
judah needs to improve on things that (mostly) he might not be able to:
- wingspan
- size
- 3 pt shot
He seems to have gotten better a bit at PG play and setting the table - had some dimes in the combine scrimmage...
IDK - I think he has "it"... the intangibles to play in the NBA - the mentality the drive etc...
but not sure what he should do, really - I think he could be a first rounder next year,,,but it's not certain...
hard call.
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Next years guard class is weak, if he comes back and improves (like most players do freshman to sophomore year) I think he’s a first round pick. There’s obviously a lot of variables but with decisions like this sometimes it’s best to simplify it, as he tweets often “don’t overthink it”
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Let’s be selfish as SU fans for a second…
Regardless of if it’s the right decision or not for Judah, and you can certainly debate that if you wish, there have not been many of these wins for our program in recent years.
With additional support around him, and a different system that might hopefully highlight his skill set even more, Judah should be in the mix for a big year.
Starters
G - Mintz - So.
G - Starling - So.
G - Westry - RFr.
- Williams - Jr.
C - McLeod - Jr.
Second Unit
G - Copeland - So.
G - Taylor -So.
G - Cuffe - RSo.
- Bell/Brown - So./So.
C - Hima/Brown - Jr./So.
Developmental
Patterson - Fr.
Carey - RFr.
For a three-guard system, and one that presses and expends energy on defense, this is a very good roster construct. Impressively quick transformation from last year to this year.
No pure shooters in the starting lineup but all four of the non centers can make them. Not GMac/Girard level but not Josh Pace either. The bench has two shooters that can play if we are zoned against. A couple of interchangeable parts and bigger guards who can play a wing, and Brown who can probably play the 5 if we are facing a smaller team.
One thing that stands out is no seniors, but in the new college basketball world, that’s not abnormal. Also, our schedule looks like it could be a gauntlet this year.
But I would be shocked if this team with normal health isn’t a tournament team.
Regardless of if it’s the right decision or not for Judah, and you can certainly debate that if you wish, there have not been many of these wins for our program in recent years.
With additional support around him, and a different system that might hopefully highlight his skill set even more, Judah should be in the mix for a big year.
Starters
G - Mintz - So.
G - Starling - So.
G - Westry - RFr.
- Williams - Jr.
C - McLeod - Jr.
Second Unit
G - Copeland - So.
G - Taylor -So.
G - Cuffe - RSo.
- Bell/Brown - So./So.
C - Hima/Brown - Jr./So.
Developmental
Patterson - Fr.
Carey - RFr.
For a three-guard system, and one that presses and expends energy on defense, this is a very good roster construct. Impressively quick transformation from last year to this year.
No pure shooters in the starting lineup but all four of the non centers can make them. Not GMac/Girard level but not Josh Pace either. The bench has two shooters that can play if we are zoned against. A couple of interchangeable parts and bigger guards who can play a wing, and Brown who can probably play the 5 if we are facing a smaller team.
One thing that stands out is no seniors, but in the new college basketball world, that’s not abnormal. Also, our schedule looks like it could be a gauntlet this year.
But I would be shocked if this team with normal health isn’t a tournament team.
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Does anyone know if Maliq is working on shooting, or is he just focusing on getting better at what he did last year? I saw a video of him as a recruit making open threes in practice, which all guys try in practice, but it makes me wonder if that's something he regularly practices and whether he'll develop a jump shot. He had a horrible FT percentage last year. If he can shoot well enough to draw a defender, our small ball lineup with him at center could be effective to open things up for our slashers, and would make him more playable at the 4. I suspect that might be a few years away, if ever, but I'm curious if anyone knows anything about it. We need ways to open lanes for this group of guards.
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I would certainly think so. Brown being able to hit a jumper consistently could make him dangerous and a huge asset to the team. I said it during the season... I doubt he's as far away from that happening as we think. Last year he was very disciplined and did what the team needed. Many players fight this but he did not.
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After a Month in the Philippines in 1990 this post hurts.
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this starting 5 is absolutely tournament worthy.
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Agreed but there are two things I would prefer to see Brown doing these next 5 months. First hit the gym and increase size and strength. Another 12 to 15 pounds of good weight would be a plus. Second I want him watching tape of how DC rebounded years ago and quickly hit the outlet man 15 feet down court to start fast breaks.
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He could certainly improve his strength by putting on 10-15 good pounds in the weight room, and maybe he would finish better through traffic instead of getting bounced on the floor all the time.
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Not only is that starting five a tournament team but there is the upside for a protected seed. Obviously a number of things would have to break right - Benny taking a jump, Chance at full health, chemistry across Judah/JJ/Chance in terms of roles - but there is a reality where that team could be really good. Plus the roster would have stronger depth than years past with legit players like JT and Q coming off the bench.
With so many unknowns it could also totally be a dumpster fire, but would be nice to have the talent to dream big again.
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Yep, 100% agree. At least we're swinging for the fences. I think most of us are good with coming up short provided that we're doing this. The last few years have been painful in that regard.
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Plus we immediately get buzz as a preseason top 25 team with Judah a pre season all American. Real buzz but with real talent that can go with.
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Kind of right in the middle.
Judah Mintz | Syracuse | PG/SG | Age: 19.8
most of the projected picks are between 18.7 and 20.9. Two are over 23.
I tried to create a normal curve, but gave up.
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More on the data - of the 58 *projected* draft picks, 8 are under 19, and 16 are over 21.
So that means that 34 are right in the middle (between 19 and 20.9). And the average age of those players is...
19.8 years old.
So that means that 34 are right in the middle (between 19 and 20.9). And the average age of those players is...
19.8 years old.
More than age, what is affecting Judah is his lack of experience playing point guard. He was always a 2 guard before SU and I would think most scouts are intrigued by him, but feel that he would benefit from at least another year learning the position in college.
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