Judah Mintz to test NBA Draft waters

[capeorange]

Judah’s camp or our staff?

Yes

 

[RF2044]

great to see Red and the staff supporting Judah. If Red is half as good at in game coaching as he is at recruiting and player relations we are going to be in great shape.

That's the million dollar question.

Hopkins got off to a great start recruiting at UW, too. We need Red to be a substantially better game coach that Hop ultimately proved to be.

 

[Orangezoo]

That's the million dollar question.

Hopkins got off to a great start recruiting at UW, too. We need Red to be a substantially better game coach that Hop ultimately proved to be.

Hops teams are very representative of how he played the game. The carryover of the zone was curious to me and for the most part hasn't served him well. That said the scrappy, make the game ugly player he was is exactly who UW is. Without the right amount of offensive talent that paired with the zone just hasn't produced results.

You could argue seeing how Hop approached things is a help to Red as well in terms of things not to do. If the team is in the mold of how Red, Gerry and Griff played the game, given what I expect will be more of a group effort that would trend much more positively the way I see it.

 

[Nicknack]

Judah’s camp or our staff?

I was wondering the same but I believe AZ was referring to our staff.

 

[AZOrange]

I was wondering the same but I believe AZ was referring to our staff.

Yes

 

[Nicknack]

Back to the comment made by an nba scout... it's all about how he shoots it. Haven't they seen how Judah shoots it? He has a lot of "tape" out there from last year.

I understand the combine looks at a LOT of things not factored in necessarily how well a player performed the previous year in college. However, could Judah really come into the combine and shoot at a high percentage and what he did all last year in college is forgotten? Seems strange to me if that's the case.

I completely get needing to see how well he performs against other players at his caliber - that makes sense. However, the shooting seems known (at this point), even though obviously that can improve and hopefully it will.

 

[Newhouser]

I’m hearing they are considerably more confident

They as in the staff or as in Judah's team?

 

[OrangeFoo]

Back to the comment made by an nba scout... it's all about how he shoots it. Haven't they seen how Judah shoots it? He has a lot of "tape" out there from last year.

I understand the combine looks at a LOT of things not factored in necessarily how well a player performed the previous year in college. However, could Judah really come into the combine and shoot at a high percentage and what he did all last year in college is forgotten? Seems strange to me if that's the case.

I completely get needing to see how well he performs against other players at his caliber - that makes sense. However, the shooting seems known (at this point), even though obviously that can improve and hopefully it will.

But isn't there late season Mintz vs early season Mintz... early season Mintz focused more on driving to get his shot. Only in the last few games did Mintz start looking for his three.

I'm not a basketball scout (but I did sleep at a holiday inn last night)... I see two concerns with his three point shooting - to me he takes too long to get three off and it's a set shot that he can't get too off the bounce. However I do think he has a potentially nasty mid range jumper that he can get when ever he wants. Outside of his shooting, I'm curious if he can run an offense or not... it seemed very much like the offense last year was Joe and Judah taking turns to get theirs with an occasional dumping to Jesse or Benny.

Will be fascinating to see how he develops either at Syracuse or in the pros.

 

[Melancer46]

Back to the comment made by an nba scout... it's all about how he shoots it. Haven't they seen how Judah shoots it? He has a lot of "tape" out there from last year.

I understand the combine looks at a LOT of things not factored in necessarily how well a player performed the previous year in college. However, could Judah really come into the combine and shoot at a high percentage and what he did all last year in college is forgotten? Seems strange to me if that's the case.

I completely get needing to see how well he performs against other players at his caliber - that makes sense. However, the shooting seems known (at this point), even though obviously that can improve and hopefully it will.

I don't think it's really an "all will be forgotten" thing. Moreso a "Okay, he looks like he has pretty good touch" or "looks like he has mechanics that we can work with" kinda thing to give them hope that he'll become a serviceable shooter.

It's also entirely possible if not probable that in a workout environment, they'll see him get more threes up than he took the entire season in college.

 

[rrlbees]

 

[rrlbees]

2-6pm ESPN2 and ESPN+.

 

[PauliePeppas]

They as in the staff or as in Judah's team?

Staff

 

[GoCuse14]

A Syracuse alumnus made Crocs cool to wear FWIW.

Re: How well Judah shoots the ball. Hasn't this board said that all year? If he could consistently shoot it well, he'd be a late first/early second lock instead of a late second/undrafted type.

False...no one ever in this world has been able to accomplish that feat...

 

[NYCCuse826]

Judging by the roster, Mintz is going to be asked to facilitate. Bates on that team is going to be the thing to watch for everyone else not SU affiliated. He needs this showing more than anyone else.

 

[NYCCuse826]

False...no one ever in this world has been able to accomplish that feat...

I don't wear them because they're ugly and remind me a house slipper and a geriatric shoe, but his specific design has helped change the perception of the brand.

 

[RF2044]

I don't think it's really an "all will be forgotten" thing. Moreso a "Okay, he looks like he has pretty good touch" or "looks like he has mechanics that we can work with" kinda thing to give them hope that he'll become a serviceable shooter.

It's also entirely possible if not probable that in a workout environment, they'll see him get more threes up than he took the entire season in college.

There are also some indicators that Judah has upside as a shooter, that are often used to project shooting skill. Stuff like his high free throw percentage, consistently shooting a high percentage on his mid-range jump shots, good looking form on shooting mechanics, etc.

That doesn't mean "all will be forgotten," because performance matters, too -- just that teams aren't ONLY going to look at the stats and determine that he can't shoot, or won't improve.

A team might factor those things into determining whether he has developmental potential as a shooter.

 

[Orangezoo]

Judging by the roster, Mintz is going to be asked to facilitate. Bates on that team is going to be the thing to watch for everyone else not SU affiliated. He needs this showing more than anyone else.

Maybe. Flagler is a PG as well

 

[netman99]

His father Cameron is far from stupid. He also is a successful man of means. That’s why I have been confused that it seems like Judah is so dead set on going pro. I can’t fathom that he will stay in the draft without a promise. And I can’t understand why they would be satisfied with him going late second round or maybe going undrafted when he could come back and have a significant chance of being a first round pick.

I do wonder if academics could be a problem.

In the big picture, nobody has really talked about this but the worst case scenario has been avoided. I was significantly concerned that Judah would pull a Duce Chestnut and transfer for Nil or for a bigger name program. Obviously, the portal has closed so the good news is either he will be in the NBA and we will have sent him there, which we desperately need or even better he will be back.

So the way it stands now, he probably wont risk staying in the draft since he is currently late 2nd at best. The risk of not getting drafted is way to high. The G league does not make sense financially. If not returning to college, he still has the option of playing overseas. Unless his draft status changes, I think he comes back to school!

 

[jdubs30]

So we gotta root for him to suck right?

 

[rrlbees]

Judah at 4:15

 

[Jake]

I’m hearing they are considerably more confident

I got the sense the 50-50 was trending back from a more dire outcome.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Plenty of kids make decisions that in hindsight turned out to be the wrong one. In the moment, sure, they think they’re making the best choice, but you can’t declare that it’s guaranteed to be the right one for him unless you’re a psychic.

Right.

Like wearing Crocs.

 

[Timonen]

So the way it stands now, he probably wont risk staying in the draft since he is currently late 2nd at best. The risk of not getting drafted is way to high. The G league does not make sense financially. If not returning to college, he still has the option of playing overseas. Unless his draft status changes, I think he comes back to school!

There’s a business logic rationale for guessing what he’ll do but that’s not how humans typically operate. He might really like the idea of not having any academic responsibilities and like being able to play basketball all day every day to make himself better. That’s a perfectly reasonable trade off if it makes him happier day to day.

 

[Orangezoo]

Wong looking very solid in first scrimmage. Same for Andre Jackson

 

[Highbanks]

How many scrimmages are there?