Kadary Richmond...

[shandeezy7]

I know it's only one game and it was against one of the smallest teams in D1, but Kadary might be the best finisher at the rim that we've had since Dion. In fact, I'd say Dion is the best comparison for him that I can think of (on the offensive side of the ball, that is...). Really good handle, great finisher and funky form on his jumper. That being said, Kadary seems to have much better PG skills than Dion, including court vision and passing ability.

I don't really see the Jamal Crawford comparison and while I don't think he's the best athlete, I think Kadary's a far superior athlete to Billy Edelin. Hopefully he gets enough playing time this year to truly round into form.

 

[hoopsupstate]

Let's remember that Joe isn't afraid to take and make big shots at end of games. No one else on this team has shown the ability to want to do this. Before everyone writes off Joe Girard, let's see how some of these players perform in a close game down the stretch.
We already know that Joe has a pair and is not afraid of the moment. I thought Kadary was great last night, but why when someone plays well do we have to immediately think he should take over for someone else. Look at the positive and see how the Buddy, Joe and Kadary can exist together to make a great combination together no matter how JB mixes and matches.

 

[shandeezy7]

Let's remember that Joe isn't afraid to take and make big shots at end of games. No one else on this team has shown the ability to want to do this. Before everyone writes off Joe Girard, let's see how some of these players perform in a close game down the stretch.
We already know that Joe has a pair and is not afraid of the moment. I thought Kadary was great last night, but why when someone plays well do we have to immediately think he should take over for someone else. Look at the positive and see how the Buddy, Joe and Kadary can exist together to make a great combination together no matter how JB mixes and matches.

I think it's because of how Boeheim's rotations have worked in the past decade. We talk about the Triche, Scoop, Dion rotation but that was one year eight years ago now. It seems like these days, especially at the guard position, the starters are getting a minimum of 35 minutes per game, so there isn't much room for a reserve to get meaningful playing time. It's literally one guy or the other, as a true guard rotation doesn't exist.

 

[OttoMets]

I know it's only one game and it was against one of the smallest teams in D1, but Kadary might be the best finisher at the rim that we've had since Dion. ...
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Maybe Battle?

I don't know, I'm kind of shell-shocked by the last eight years, which in my memory consisted of Battle (great in the open court and as a finisher) and a couple dozen nameless guys whose % at the rim was like 55%.

 

[shandeezy7]

Maybe Battle?

I don't know, I'm kind of shell-shocked by the last eight years, which in my memory consisted of Battle (great in the open court and as a finisher) and a couple dozen nameless guys whose % at the rim was like 55%.

I will never overcome Brissett's field goal percentage inside 3 feet. It haunts my dreams.

 

[orangefog]

Kadary is just a smooth player. He plays at a great pace. Much like Ennis or Moten, he plays at his own speed and it works. It will be interesting to see if better teams can get him off his pace.

 

[Orangezoo]

Kadary is just a smooth player. He plays at a great pace. Much like Ennis or Moten, he plays at his own speed and it works. It will be interesting to see if better teams can get him off his pace.

I think they will have a hard time doing so. His ballhandling toolbox is extensive. He uses the dribble, his body and makes quick decisions with the pass. All of that is going to make it hard to force him into doing what you want as a defender. Once teams try that they are going to be vulnerable somewhere else. Plus Richmond wants you to come up on him.

 

[DoctahLexus]

I think it's because of how Boeheim's rotations have worked in the past decade. We talk about the Triche, Scoop, Dion rotation but that was one year eight years ago now. It seems like these days, especially at the guard position, the starters are getting a minimum of 35 minutes per game, so there isn't much room for a reserve to get meaningful playing time. It's literally one guy or the other, as a true guard rotation doesn't exist.

For Ennis, Cooney, and Silent G in 2014 (all according to basketball-reference) we had Ennis playing 35 and Cooney playing 32, but Gbinije still managed to average 14.5 a game.

Then in 2016-2017 We had Gillon and Battle playing 30 mins with Sophmore Howard averaging 16.2. And that was with 4 solid guys locked in at the frontcourt much like this year. White, Thompson, Lydon and Roberson vs. Griffin, Dolezaj, Guerrier, and Sidibe.

I think a slight tweak on the minutes in these two fairly recent years is what people are looking for in the Buddy, JGIII, Kadary rotation right? I think it wouldn't be too out of character for Boeheim to do (AT LEAST) close to what we had in 2016-17 with Buddy and Girard averaging 30 and Kadary averaging 16. Wouldn't be surprised if it ended up being more even than that year was, as Battle/Gillon is a lot more formidable a guard duo than Buddy/Girard.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Kadary is just a smooth player. He plays at a great pace. Much like Ennis or Moten, he plays at his own speed and it works. It will be interesting to see if better teams can get him off his pace.

If he is like Ennis and Moten, college teams won't have the athletes to get him off his pace.

That won't happen until the NBA.

 

[Cusefan0307]

Kadary is just a smooth player. He plays at a great pace. Much like Ennis or Moten, he plays at his own speed and it works. It will be interesting to see if better teams can get him off his pace.

Exactly the players I was thinking of last night. More in control than any player we have had since Ennis. Our guards since Ennis have mostly been black holes.

 

[Melancer46]

I know it's only one game and it was against one of the smallest teams in D1, but Kadary might be the best finisher at the rim that we've had since Dion. In fact, I'd say Dion is the best comparison for him that I can think of (on the offensive side of the ball, that is...). Really good handle, great finisher and funky form on his jumper. That being said, Kadary seems to have much better PG skills than Dion, including court vision and passing ability.

I don't really see the Jamal Crawford comparison and while I don't think he's the best athlete, I think Kadary's a far superior athlete to Billy Edelin. Hopefully he gets enough playing time this year to truly round into form.

I think it's tough to come up with a good comparison for Kadary. He's a pretty unique player. The one that I ultimately came up with based on his high school film was Tyreke Evans.

 

[shandeezy7]

For Ennis, Cooney, and Silent G in 2014 (all according to basketball-reference) we had Ennis playing 35 and Cooney playing 32, but Gbinije still managed to average 14.5 a game.

Then in 2016-2017 We had Gillon and Battle playing 30 mins with Sophmore Howard averaging 16.2. And that was with 4 solid guys locked in at the frontcourt much like this year. White, Thompson, Lydon and Roberson vs. Griffin, Dolezaj, Guerrier, and Sidibe.

I think a slight tweak on the minutes in these two fairly recent years is what people are looking for in the Buddy, JGIII, Kadary rotation right? I think it wouldn't be too out of character for Boeheim to do (AT LEAST) close to what we had in 2016-17 with Buddy and Girard averaging 30 and Kadary averaging 16. Wouldn't be surprised if it ended up being more even than that year was, as Battle/Gillon is a lot more formidable a guard duo than Buddy/Girard.

I assume Gbinije played a lot of those minutes at the 3 as well, though.

 

[Mareiniss]

I said it after Game 1 - I see a lot of Billy Edelin in his game. Not super athletic but gets in the lane almost at will. Looks like he is moving in slow motion but no one can really stop him from getting to his spot. Great feel. Not much of a jumper. Seems to be a far better defensive presence that Edelin ever was though, and he seems a lot longer than Billy as well

I know he got called for a double dribble on this play, but that one hesitation move he pulled was purely filthy. He also had another hesitation move that led to a layup and boy did that windmill spin layup look sweet. Very smooth player with an offensive game similar to Billy Edelin.

I like the Edelin observation. He wasn't blazing fast, just under control and had a shrewd knack for moving in exactly the right direction.

Although he may not be a great leaper, he did have 3 blocks and 7 rebounds last night against Niagara. It may be partly due to Niagara's lack of size, but none of our other guards came close to that.

 

[DoctahLexus]

I assume Gbinije played a lot of those minutes at the 3 as well, though.

I believe that's true yeah. Fair and Grant were the only forwards averaging over 30 mins. 16-17 is a cleaner example, especially since Ennis was without question worthy of the 35 mins he played. He played like someone about 6 years older.

 

[Ggaenzle]

I know he got called for a double dribble on this play, but that one hesitation move he pulled was purely filthy. He also had another hesitation move that led to a layup and boy did that windmill spin layup look sweet. Very smooth player with an offensive game similar to Billy Edelin.

I need to see that clip again

 

[Giants1973]

I believe that's true yeah. Fair and Grant were the only forwards averaging over 30 mins. 16-17 is a cleaner example, especially since Ennis was without question worthy of the 35 mins he played. He played like someone about 6 years older.

There is enough minutes for three guards

 

[Eric15]

I just have this feeling that in our next game Kadary will play like a freshman and Joe will have a much overdue great shooting performance and then we'll all re-caliberate a bit.

That said, I am very excited about Kadary's future here.

 

[OrangeFoo]

Am I way off on this or was Kadary the lead guard for a good chunk of the game last night? When the game tipped I honestly didn't even realize that Kadary was on the floor because he was hanging around on the perimeter and not really coming to the ball. By the second half, after Kadary got some confidence, it seemed to me that Kadary was the one bringing the ball up the floor and initiating the offense. Also the team was looking for Kadary to transition them from defense to offense.

What's interesting is last year against UVA the first thing I noticed about JG3 was that whenever he was on the floor he was the dude the team looked for to bring the ball up and get the offense set up. It didn't matter whether either Carey or Goodine was on the floor with him. It was pretty obvious from game one that JG3 was the best lead guard on the team and it was a matter of when not if he would take that role on.

I don't see that same level of separation between Kadary and JG3 yet... also I would love to see the Kadary hit a jumper or two. Has he hit a 3 yet? I also think that while Kadary's pet behind the back dribble move can work against the Niagara's of the world, he's begging to be pick-pocketed against ACC guards.

JG3 has earned the right to lose the lead guard spot over multiple games... I saw more flashes from him yesterday than I did in game 1. But I do agree he looks sluggish and what little lift he had on his J seems to be completely gone. He seemed to be shooting a set shot in the 2nd half so I'm guessing his legs aren't there.

 

[ThePoint]

Not whatsoever. Crawford is a great shooter and scorer, and less of a PG. For style, I go way back...Clyde. Big for his position, goes to the hole whenever he wants, great orchestrator and disher, and extremely disruptive with his hands on defense. Very good mid ranger shooter who seems to move with an efficiency and purpose.

Glad you mentioned Walt Frazier - he was my favorite player growing up.

Clyde was such an in-control, pass-first guard.

When the Knicks needed him in the famous "Willis Reed game" - his stat line was 36 points, 19 assists, seven rebounds, and four steals!!

Clyde was the best defensive guard of his era - I hope Kadary has that quality too.

Its funny that we thought 6"4"" was tall for a guard then.

 

[GooseMutt]

He reminds me of Oladipo without his wingspan

 

[Oakland]

Given KR's performance and what JB has said in the past about players getting tired, this is a surprising thing for him to say. But JB says a lot of nonsense. Its almost as if he is pre-conditioning everyone for him to continue playing JG 35 min a game.

Sign me up for playing a 'tired' KR if he is performing this well.

[Boeheim: "Kadary gets tired pretty quickly, but he has tremendous skills. He has to get himself in better shape, but he showed the tools (he has)."
[/QUOTE]

 

[shandeezy7]

Given KR's performance and what JB has said in the past about players getting tired, this is a surprising thing for him to say. But JB says a lot of nonsense. Its almost as if he is pre-conditioning everyone for him to continue playing JG 35 min a game.

Sign me up for playing a 'tired' KR if he is performing this well.

[Boeheim: "Kadary gets tired pretty quickly, but he has tremendous skills. He has to get himself in better shape, but he showed the tools (he has)."

[/QUOTE]

That's exactly what I texted my friends earlier today. It gives JB an out 5 games from now when Kadary plays 9 minutes again. "He's not in shape. We can't play him big minutes."

 

[GooseMutt]

Did buddy lose minutes last night?

 

[Trueblue25]

Its nice to be excited about the future instead of skeptical

 

[Killdozer]

I am more so impressed by his defense. It is outstanding and something that Buddy/JGIII could learn from. KR always has his hands up and comes up on the ball handler. This is something Buddy/JGIII NEVER do. It's like they are very lazy in their defense. It's annoying to no end and very noticeable.