Kenterius Womack...going forward

[RoofBeam]

The situation is dire. The one player the program could probably least afford to lose, regardless of his limitations, has been lost for the season. Dungey seems to have a great deal of potential but that is a freshman body out there and I am not sure how much punishment the kid can take. Who knows what Austin Wilson could do behind a functional O-line but he is immobile and may not be able to get it done under game or d-line pressure. Right now Womack is far more valuable as a playmaking, option qb than as a special teamer and 2nd or 3rd string wideout. I think the team would be best served if Lester put in a couple of special packages for KW, letting him attack the edges out of the qb position with the option to throw and making the qb draw a real weapon. Not ideal, perhaps, but these are not the best of times and a fast, elusive qb with the capacity to throw might create the kind of havoc for opposing defenses that this offense will need to be competitive in some games.

 

[Fjoinkay]

The situation is dire. The one player the program could probably least afford to lose, regardless of his limitations, has been lost for the season. Dungey seems to have a great deal of potential but that is a freshman body out there and I am not sure how much punishment the kid can take. Who knows what Austin Wilson could do behind a functional O-line but he is immobile and may not be able to get it done under game or d-line pressure. Right now Womack is far more valuable as a playmaking, option qb than as a special teamer and 2nd or 3rd string wideout. I think the team would be best served if Lester put in a couple of special packages for the kid, letting him attack the edges out of the qb position with the option to throw and making the qb draw a real weapon. Not ideal, perhaps, but these are not the best of times and a fast, elusive qb with the capacity to throw might create the kind of havoc for opposing defenses that this offense will need to be competitive in some games.

Something to consider for sure.

 

[JrodCuse]

Can do alot with him...have him lineup at WR and swap with Dungey...or direct snap as he's going in motion while Dungey is yelling at a guard. Fun times. Throw an option wrinkle in on almost every play with him out there...running passing whatever.

 

[Shark58]

agreed. if AJ isn't going to play this year, he is much more valuable on the QB depth chart. he can still see time elsewhere, but sliding him back to QB makes tons of sense

 

[Fjoinkay]

AJ missing camp this year is so bizarre. If AJ had been at camp I think Dungey may have won the competition, but the reps would may have been reduced. Either way, the 2nd string QB going into the opener would have had fewer reps. On the flip side, it would have been really nice for AJ to compete at camp and get reps.

Last year coming out of camp HCSS said nice things about Wilson and Long, but then he said I hope we never have to use them. Both were young and neither had game experience. We all know what happened. This season is different obviously. Wilson and Long have experience. Dungey makes it look easy against Rhody (albeit Rhody). Lester has his offense installed. They are able to use more than a single cadence and so forth.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Yeah, they had their reasons, but it sure seemed like they pulled the plug on Womack as a QB really, really quickly. Maybe that gets revisited since we've only got two healthy scholarship bodies back there.

 

[RoatanCuse]

Draws, sweeps, the scissors play, option wrinkles...Lester has to open his bag of tricks now that Hunt is down. Womack can be useful, as the OP states. I remember when we used to pass 15 times a game, and we usually won.

 

[anomander]

If anyone watched the S. Carolina - UNC game on Thursday I wouldn't mind seeing Womack used as Pharoh Cooper was used by Spurrier. Now by no means am I saying Womack is the player Cooper is because that kid is on a whole other level. But I really liked the way Spurrier was able to use Cooper without disrupting the flow of their young QB Connor Mitch. Not only did the packages Cooper have get the ball in the hands of an elite playmaker, but it helped take some of the pressure of their young QB. While Cooper is a 6 foot WR, they didn't just run straight Wildcat between the tackle. They had extended packages for him. Spurrier was running zone reads, and even had Cooper throwing a bomb. With Womack's background as a QB I think it would be a waste not to utilize some of his athleticism at the position. Now i'd be very smart how and when I used it, but as a true Freshman Dungey is bound to go through some tough patches. If Lester is smart about it he could throw a whole new wrinkle into our attack. They say the NFL is a copycat league so why shouldn't this be an option for us? We have the perfect player for it, and if you're going to burn his redshirt so he can cover kick offs and get mop up reps as a WR you might as well get your money's worth out of his year. I just keep seeing him run the zone read in his highlight film and see exactly what Spurrier had Cooper doing to UNC on Thursday. It was very successful, and think it helped take some of the pressure off of Mitch.

 

[Toga]

If anyone watched the S. Carolina - UNC game on Thursday I wouldn't mind seeing Womack used as Pharoh Cooper was used by Spurrier. Now by no means am I saying Womack is the player Cooper is because that kid is on a whole other level. But I really liked the way Spurrier was able to use Cooper without disrupting the flow of their young QB Connor Mitch. Not only did the packages Cooper have get the ball in the hands of an elite playmaker, but it helped take some of the pressure of their young QB. While Cooper is a 6 foot WR, they didn't just run straight Wildcat between the tackle. They had extended packages for him. Spurrier was running zone reads, and even had Cooper throwing a bomb. With Womack's background as a QB I think it would be a waste not to utilize some of his athleticism at the position. Now i'd be very smart how and when I used it, but as a true Freshman Dungey is bound to go through some tough patches. If Lester is smart about it he could throw a whole new wrinkle into our attack. They say the NFL is a copycat league so why shouldn't this be an option for us? We have the perfect player for it, and if you're going to burn his redshirt so he can cover kick offs and get mop up reps as a WR you might as well get your money's worth out of his year. I just keep seeing him run the zone read in his highlight film and see exactly what Spurrier had Cooper doing to UNC on Thursday. It was very successful, and think it helped take some of the pressure off of Mitch.

Yes

 

[RoofBeam]

For me this will be a real measure of the character and quality of the offensive minds in this program. Last year options were extremely limited with a patchwork and injured O-line and limited answers at the skill positions. This year you have an intact O-line with some depth and some D1 football players at the skill positions even if many of them are young. I am not going to condemn the staff if they don't use KW as I have suggested but they have to do something more than duck and cover if they want respect from much of the fan base. The offensive leader of the team has gone down and you need to be creative and resourceful as a coaching staff to address this major loss and horrible luck.

PS It would be really nice if the O coordinator rediscovered the tight end as a pass catcher.

If anyone watched the S. Carolina - UNC game on Thursday I wouldn't mind seeing Womack used as Pharoh Cooper was used by Spurrier. Now by no means am I saying Womack is the player Cooper is because that kid is on a whole other level. But I really liked the way Spurrier was able to use Cooper without disrupting the flow of their young QB Connor Mitch. Not only did the packages Cooper have get the ball in the hands of an elite playmaker, but it helped take some of the pressure of their young QB. While Cooper is a 6 foot WR, they didn't just run straight Wildcat between the tackle. They had extended packages for him. Spurrier was running zone reads, and even had Cooper throwing a bomb. With Womack's background as a QB I think it would be a waste not to utilize some of his athleticism at the position. Now i'd be very smart how and when I used it, but as a true Freshman Dungey is bound to go through some tough patches. If Lester is smart about it he could throw a whole new wrinkle into our attack. They say the NFL is a copycat league so why shouldn't this be an option for us? We have the perfect player for it, and if you're going to burn his redshirt so he can cover kick offs and get mop up reps as a WR you might as well get your money's worth out of his year. I just keep seeing him run the zone read in his highlight film and see exactly what Spurrier had Cooper doing to UNC on Thursday. It was very successful, and think it helped take some of the pressure off of Mitch.

 

[Orangeman]

Can someone remind those of us who don't follow recruiting as closely what the story is here with Womack? Thanks

 

[Dmcnabbrules]

I was on the fence about Womack moving until a few things changed my mind. Womack is nowhere near the size he was listed at as a recruit. He is 6'0 and very very thin. Also after seeing the guys behind Bris and Ishmael I can see why they moved him.

 

[Fjoinkay]

The one thing I am clear about with Womack is that the coaching staff would like to get the ball in his hands one way or another. Before T-Hunt's injury it made a lot of sense to move Womack. That may still be the case, but maybe the coaches will decide to expand Womack's role now to include some things at the QB position as well. That would be a process that would take some time to develop even in a narrow capacity because Womack is a true freshman, and the coaches will want to make sure that Womack is truly prepared to run whatever they give him.

 

[TheCusian]

The situation is dire. The one player the program could probably least afford to lose, regardless of his limitations, has been lost for the season. Dungey seems to have a great deal of potential but that is a freshman body out there and I am not sure how much punishment the kid can take. Who knows what Austin Wilson could do behind a functional O-line but he is immobile and may not be able to get it done under game or d-line pressure. Right now Womack is far more valuable as a playmaking, option qb than as a special teamer and 2nd or 3rd string wideout. I think the team would be best served if Lester put in a couple of special packages for KW, letting him attack the edges out of the qb position with the option to throw and making the qb draw a real weapon. Not ideal, perhaps, but these are not the best of times and a fast, elusive qb with the capacity to throw might create the kind of havoc for opposing defenses that this offense will need to be competitive in some games.

Could not disagree more. Womack is smaller and more fragile at this point than either of the other guys. The offense that just got installed is built for Dungey/Wilson/Long. I don't think we need more "juice"or special packages at this point. Dungey is a pretty good athlete himself.

We've seen base packages of the new O and that's it. I'll take a smart QB who might grow into a 3-4 year starter throwing to Womack. I would give him more reps as the 3rd string guy until AJ is up to it.

 

[TheCusian]

For me this will be a real measure of the character and quality of the offensive minds in this program. Last year options were extremely limited with a patchwork and injured O-line and limited answers at the skill positions. This year you have an intact O-line with some depth and some D1 football players at the skill positions even if many of them are young. I am not going to condemn the staff if they don't use KW as I have suggested but they have to do something more than duck and cover if they want respect from much of the fan base. The offensive leader of the team has gone down and you need to be creative and resourceful as a coaching staff to address this major loss and horrible luck. PS It would be really nice if the O coordinator rediscovered the tight end as a pass catcher.

I don't think we'll miss much with Hunt down. Shafer said Dungey can run everything (though Lester said he'd have to scale back a bit). They are resourceful and creative. We've seen base packages vs an overmatched foe.

Patience.

 

[A Clockwork Orange]

I think it's interesting how we see things. I always thought that they pulled him quickly because they knew immediately "this dude is not a D-1 quarterback." Everyone on here thinks there was some ulterior motive, and I'm not really sure why.

Maybe they don't have him running option packages, etc... because they really don't think he'd do well with it? We all watch recruiting tapes, and think "man this guy is the next _____________." Recruiting tapes pick the best plays and show the absolute best of that player. Womack's video looked great, and I was excited too. But maybe there was a reason teams didn't come around for him as a quarterback until after signing day? I think a lot had to do with where he was playing, and I still think he's an exceptional athlete. I just wonder if the guys who do this for a living looked at him and said "not a D-1 QB."

 

[texascpa]

Can someone remind those of us who don't follow recruiting as closely what the story is here with Womack? Thanks

Came from a very, very small school. HS coach did nothing to promote him to colleges. Didn't even have a highlight tape for him until a few days after (IIRC) NOI day. His coach used to coach Alabama! Go figure. Coach Adams came across his tape, Shafer asked him to visit, offered, he accepted...all in the matter of 3 days. Word had gotten out, and the interest level exploded during that time. He had offers from UConn and some other non-P5 schools, but Michigan and Arizona were very interested.

Here's more of the story.

 

[texascpa]

I think it's interesting how we see things. I always thought that they pulled him quickly because they knew immediately "this dude is not a D-1 quarterback." Everyone on here thinks there was some ulterior motive, and I'm not really sure why.

Maybe they don't have him running option packages, etc... because they really don't think he'd do well with it? We all watch recruiting tapes, and think "man this guy is the next _____________." Recruiting tapes pick the best plays and show the absolute best of that player. Womack's video looked great, and I was excited too. But maybe there was a reason teams didn't come around for him as a quarterback until after signing day? I think a lot had to do with where he was playing, and I still think he's an exceptional athlete. I just wonder if the guys who do this for a living looked at him and said "not a D-1 QB."

Shafer and Lester both played QB in college. I've never played QB. I'm taking their word due to their years of experience that Womack does not have what they believe is necessary to be a QB, and whatever he lacks is not easily fixable at the moment.

 

[SWC75]

We need guys who go forward.

 

[Full_Rebar]

I doubt Womack is smaller than Long, despite the listed numbers. I haven't had the opportunity to stand next to Womack, but I have with Long, and he's not 6'0.

 

[SYR2RDU]

The situation is dire. The one player the program could probably least afford to lose, regardless of his limitations, has been lost for the season. Dungey seems to have a great deal of potential but that is a freshman body out there and I am not sure how much punishment the kid can take. Who knows what Austin Wilson could do behind a functional O-line but he is immobile and may not be able to get it done under game or d-line pressure. Right now Womack is far more valuable as a playmaking, option qb than as a special teamer and 2nd or 3rd string wideout. I think the team would be best served if Lester put in a couple of special packages for KW, letting him attack the edges out of the qb position with the option to throw and making the qb draw a real weapon. Not ideal, perhaps, but these are not the best of times and a fast, elusive qb with the capacity to throw might create the kind of havoc for opposing defenses that this offense will need to be competitive in some games.

I understand KW became a fan favorite since he committed. But if you are talking about dungey having a freshman body you haven't really looked at KW. He is skinny... At this pint too skinny and weak.. Even at wide receiver he is having a really big problem getting off the ball.. And I know from what has come out of camp from the coaches his arm is just not strong enough yet to throw all the routes. I am sure the kid is a freak athlete but he is NOT a D1 QB right now or maybe ever. Dungey is miles ahead and honestly AJ is too and I'm not even a AJ fan. KW needs at least a year maybe 2 on campus before we will be able to tell what the kid is. He's not Kordell Stewart right now. He is a project. And the coaches have seen this and this is why they have moved him

 

[orange79]

Could not disagree more. Womack is smaller and more fragile at this point than either of the other guys. The offense that just got installed is built for Dungey/Wilson/Long. I don't think we need more "juice"or special packages at this point. Dungey is a pretty good athlete himself.

We've seen base packages of the new O and that's it. I'll take a smart QB who might grow into a 3-4 year starter throwing to Womack. I would give him more reps as the 3rd string guy until AJ is up to it.

And yet, we need depth at QB. If we don't move Womack back, we're two freak plays (or with SU, not-so-freak plays) from having to play Zach Mahoney. Think about that. Zach. Mahoney.

 

[RF2044]

Does anyone have an idea of how long Long will continue to be unavailable? Because that's the primary factor in my mind for what happens to KW.

They might need to shift him back to taking reps at QB for a few weeks until Long begins to practice, for emergency depth. That stinks for his development, though.

 

[texascpa]

Does anyone have an idea of how long Long will continue to be unavailable? Because that's the primary factor in my mind for what happens to KW.

They might need to shift him back to taking reps at QB for a few weeks until Long begins to practice, for emergency depth. That stinks for his development, though.

I thought the word, and even an interview with Long during Spring, was the staff's intention was to red-shirt him.

 

[RF2044]

I thought the word, and even an interview with Long during Spring, was the staff's intention was to red-shirt him.

Right--that was the plan. But now that Hunt is injured / missing the year, the equation has changed. Long could still be the #2 [or emergency #3, behind Wilson] and still redshirt. With a true freshman at the helm, I doubt we're going to be in too many situations where we'll be able to comfortably get the second string QB work [barring injury].

But I'd rather have Long available to play than resort to walk ons, if needed.