Kyle McCord to NFL Draft

[Lukeyloo]

As was mentioned here earlier, hopefully there's a case here that - while appearing in 5 games as a freshman - the actual game time played and # of snap counts was far less than 4 games worth. Maybe as little as 1 game worth. Why should he be penalized for that given that it's something he had little control over given the likely consequences from saying no?

That coupled with his potential financial losses and, maybe more importantly to the NCAA, their benefit from having the #1 passer this year returning to college for one more year that's going to be full of big-time matchups (eyeballs and $$$$) we might just have a shot at getting this waiver approved. I think the best way to get this approved is making a case how this benefits the NCAA as much as it does Kyle/us.

 

[hoopsupstate]

The only reason he MIGHT be coming back is there is crickets on portal quarterbacks.

 

[RF2044]

I get that there are examples of guys improving their draft position, but aside from, say, having a similar year to this year while also earning Syracuse a playoff spot, I'm not sure how high that improvement ceiling is for McCord. Like I said, the guy just led FBS in passing.

Junior year Joe Burrow wasn't in the same stratosphere from a statistical perspective as McCord this year (almost 1,500 less passing yards and 13 less passing TDs). Heck, we already saw McCord take a huge leap from junior to senior year, and as of now, it doesn't seem to have done too much for his draft stock.

What you're outlining sounds [to me] more like how prospects approach the NBA draft, not the NFL draft.

 

[oldpinepoint]

Haven't heard an update on this in a while so will defer to what others have heard. But last I had heard in early November was he was pretty dead set on the draft.

I also think for this to be a real possibility, he has to have his waiver in hand pretty much now...because otherwise the coaching staff doesn't have much time for the main portal window. I know there's a spring one and there's more that shakes out there. But that approach only works if you're very confident in Jakari and OK not taking a guy now in hopes that Kyle is able to come back. It's also not easy to get a guy to commit now and then say OOPS, Kyle's staying...it affects NIl budget and a whole slew of other things.

I'm still betting firmly that he's gone.

I tend to think this is the most likely outcome.

 

[kcsu]

I tend to think this is the most likely outcome.

Maybe the mystery QB is Waiting as well...

 

[HRE Otto IV]

As was mentioned here earlier, hopefully there's a case here that - while appearing in 5 games as a freshman - the actual game time played and # of snap counts was far less than 4 games worth. Maybe as little as 1 game worth. Why should he be penalized for that given that it's something he had little control over given the likely consequences from saying no?

That coupled with his potential financial losses and, maybe more importantly to the NCAA, their benefit from having the #1 passer this year returning to college for one more year that's going to be full of big-time matchups (eyeballs and $$$$) we might just have a shot at getting this waiver approved. I think the best way to get this approved is making a case how this benefits the NCAA as much as it does Kyle/us.

So should Meeks get another year too? I bet his total snap counts were less than Kyle’s.

 

[JRHEETER]

As was mentioned here earlier, hopefully there's a case here that - while appearing in 5 games as a freshman - the actual game time played and # of snap counts was far less than 4 games worth. Maybe as little as 1 game worth. Why should he be penalized for that given that it's something he had little control over given the likely consequences from saying no?

That coupled with his potential financial losses and, maybe more importantly to the NCAA, their benefit from having the #1 passer this year returning to college for one more year that's going to be full of big-time matchups (eyeballs and $$$$) we might just have a shot at getting this waiver approved. I think the best way to get this approved is making a case how this benefits the NCAA as much as it does Kyle/us.

Snap counts mean absolutely nothing to the NCAA.

 

[Lukeyloo]

So should Meeks get another year too? I bet his total snap counts were less than Kyle’s.

Hell yes! RUN. IT. BACK.

 

[JRHEETER]

The age thing is not a factor. McCord would be 23 years old at the start of the 2026 NFL season. Jayden Daniels was just drafted at 23. Michael Penix at 24. Bo Nix at 24. All these guys were top 15 selections. Imagine if they decided to jump the gun and not use their last season of CFB. None of those guys would’ve even been day 2 picks most likely. Point is so much can change in a year, and age is not a concern in the NFL for QB prospects as they are protected by the rules of the game. There is a chance he might go undrafted already as it is. Now obviously the year has to be granted first, but IMO he’d be silly NOT to take it if given to him.

Right but McCord is out of eligibility, like Nix and Daniel’s and Penix

 

[721Comstock]

So should Meeks get another year too? I bet his total snap counts were less than Kyle’s.

Sadly, he actually got a ton of run at UGA - on ST's.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

Sadly, he actually got a ton of run at UGA - on ST's.

Wasn’t he just KO coverage his first couple of years? That is like 6 plays a game. And he only played in 9 games as a FR. So about what 50 snaps?

But my point was where does it stop? Can’t claim one thing and not apply it to others.

 

[Orangefizz]

If I'm Kyle and I get a waiver 100% I stay. Pull in 1.5m get an insurance policy. Worst case I get drafted next year at the same level. No brainer

What’s crazy about NIL is that an incoming freshman QB at Michigan is reportedly getting $10 million.

 

[orangefog]

Wasn’t he just KO coverage his first couple of years? That is like 6 plays a game. And he only played in 9 games as a FR. So about what 50 snaps?

But my point was where does it stop? Can’t claim one thing and not apply it to others.

What percentage of the team's KOs did he participate in? I think that is the valid comparison. Or, at least that is the difference that can be argued. It isn't difficult to differentiate that Kyle played in a very small part of the 5 games where the game was all but decided and a small percentage of the offensive plays that the team averaged per game. It is also easy to argue that 5 games is 5 games. But, let's not pretend it is that cut and dry and that a waiver would open a flood gate. This is a rare case.

 

[Cheriehoop]

He will take the argument that he wanted his #2 QB to get reps for the last 20 mins of that game in case he needed to be called upon vs Michigan and/or the playoffs. Like UGA is dealing with now. McCord did have to start a game that year to allow Stroud to recover from injury.

He entered the game when the score was 49-0 against Michigan St in that 5th game. He lost a year of eligibility to protect Stroud’s season from getting hurt in a total blowout not even to prepare him for more meaningful playing time the next season. He played even less but in more games his very next season averaging less than 3 attempts in 7 games (20 attempts his sophomore season).

 

[orangefog]

He entered the game when the score was 49-0 against Michigan St in that 5th game. He lost a year of eligibility to protect Stroud’s season from getting hurt in a total blowout not even to prepare him for more meaningful playing time the next season. He played even less but in more games his very next season averaging less than 3 attempts in 7 games (20 attempts his sophomore season).

It's a fairly easy argument to make, it all comes down to how the NCAA feels that particular day. They have granted waivers far crazier than this one.

 

[JRHEETER]

What percentage of the team's KOs did he participate in? I think that is the valid comparison. Or, at least that is the difference that can be argued. It isn't difficult to differentiate that Kyle played in a very small part of the 5 games where the game was all but decided and a small percentage of the offensive plays that the team averaged per game. It is also easy to argue that 5 games is 5 games. But, let's not pretend it is that cut and dry and that a waiver would open a flood gate. This is a rare case.

Right but then you start looking at snap counts etc


It’s not like he came into that 5th game at the very end to kneel it.

He came in, middle of the 3Q and played the rest of the game.

Unfortunately, that counts as a 5th game.

There really is absolutely no case for him to get an extra year of eligibility back besides that we all would like him too and want him to have another year.

 

[orangefog]

Right but then you start looking at snap counts etc


It’s not like he came into that 5th game at the very end to kneel it.

He came in, middle of the 3Q and played the rest of the game.

Unfortunately, that counts as a 5th game.

There really is absolutely no case for him to get an extra year of eligibility back besides that we all would like him too and want him to have another year.

The rule is you have 5 years to play 4, right? So, in one year, if you play 4 games or less you get one more. That's the rule. Guys are playing 8 or 9. We had a guy that played here catch a pass in 8 different seasons. That is impossible, per rule. But, it happened. Waivers happen for special circumstances. This is a special circumstance, no?

 

[JRHEETER]

The rule is you have 5 years to play 4, right? So, in one year, if you play 4 games or less you get one more. That's the rule. Guys are playing 8 or 9. We had a guy that played here catch a pass in 8 different seasons. That is impossible, per rule. But, it happened. Waivers happen for special circumstances. This is a special circumstance, no?

What’s the special circumstance?

 

[bigmike]

I heard Justin Lawson is in the portal with a Stanford degree, and he’s ready to return.

 

[orangefog]

What’s the special circumstance?

He's a quarterback, he played in meaningless minutes. It was mismanagement by the coach. OSU has signed off on it. What were the 4 different special circumstances where a guy gets to play 8 years?

 

[JRHEETER]

The rule is you have 5 years to play 4, right? So, in one year, if you play 4 games or less you get one more. That's the rule. Guys are playing 8 or 9. We had a guy that played here catch a pass in 8 different seasons. That is impossible, per rule. But, it happened. Waivers happen for special circumstances. This is a special circumstance, no?

Also most of those players if not all of them, that played 8 seasons or whatever in 4 out of the 8 seasons only played in less than 4 games….

 

[orangefog]

Also most of those players if not all of them, that played 8 seasons or whatever in 4 out of the 8 seasons only played in less than 4 games….

So? The rule is 5 to play 4, no? So, the 5 is flexible, but the 4 is not?

 

[JRHEETER]

So? The rule is 5 to play 4, no?

5 years to play 4. Yes. A year or eligibility counts as more than 4 games in one year.

The people who have gotten medical redshirts to stay eligible for extended periods of time have played in less than 4 games or no games in a season and had an injury of some sort or had the COVID year which gave all the 2020s 6 to play 4.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

The rule is you have 5 years to play 4, right? So, in one year, if you play 4 games or less you get one more. That's the rule. Guys are playing 8 or 9. We had a guy that played here catch a pass in 8 different seasons. That is impossible, per rule. But, it happened. Waivers happen for special circumstances. This is a special circumstance, no?

Generally they are for hardship. Where is Kyle's hardship? Only playing in 5 games does not qualify.

The smart move for Day going into Michigan and thinking that you are going into the playoffs is to get your #2 QB some game reps since they hadn't played since 10-23 previously. This is especially the case given that QB #1 was dealing with some injuries.

 

[LeMoyneCuse]

The rule is you have 5 years to play 4, right? So, in one year, if you play 4 games or less you get one more. That's the rule. Guys are playing 8 or 9. We had a guy that played here catch a pass in 8 different seasons. That is impossible, per rule. But, it happened. Waivers happen for special circumstances. This is a special circumstance, no?

McCord was a freshman in 2021, so there's no COVID year fuzziness, and he didn't suffer a catastrophic injury over the course of his career. Those are the special circumstances.

There's likely 100 guys graduating who played 5 games in a season and didn't get hurt. There's really nothing special about that.