Kyle McCord to NFL Draft

[orangefog]

This thread has somehow turned into some NCAA panty pull. To be clear there are some saying without any room for alternatives he is not coming back no matter what. We have other board insiders who are passing along that they did hear that there is an effort happening behind the scenes that was seemingly suggested by Fran himself in his bowl presser.
Why are the people who are saying there is no chance getting upset by the fact that others (not some Joe blow but board insiders) saying they are hearing that behind the scenes efforts are being made to get another year? It's not like people are saying anything is automatic here. I certainly appreciate those who had heard he is definitely moving on. I also appreciate those insiders who said they heard some attempts are being made.
Where's the beef here people?

You're right, I apologize for my part in this mess. I just feel there is a gray area worth exploring, that is all.

 

[721Comstock]

While something like that would be a financial W for Kyle, it does nothing for SU FB.

Also wouldn't Ohio State/Day be the defendants and not the NCAA? It wasn't the NCAA that wronged him.

Well, to your point - according to "people who know things":
apparently we've gotten tOSU / Day to sign off on their being OK with this waiver being granted to Kyle.

So there's that.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

This thread has somehow turned into some NCAA panty pull. To be clear there are some saying without any room for alternatives he is not coming back no matter what. We have other board insiders who are passing along that they did hear that there is an effort happening behind the scenes that was seemingly suggested by Fran himself in his bowl presser.
Why are the people who are saying there is no chance getting upset by the fact that others (not some Joe blow but board insiders) saying they are hearing that behind the scenes efforts are being made to get another year? It's not like people are saying anything is automatic here. I certainly appreciate those who had heard he is definitely moving on. I also appreciate those insiders who said they heard some attempts are being made.
Where's the beef here people?

The insiders, the AD, HCFB would only have incite that an appeal was made. No one is questioning that. Those people would have zero incite as to whether or not it will be approved. Only people at the NCAA would.

Supposedly this appeal was made before the season. The fact that it hasn't been approved yet is not a good thing.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

Well, to your point - according to "people who know things":
apparently we've gotten tOSU / Day to sign off on their being OK with this waiver being granted to Kyle.

So there's that.

Which seems like an admission to guilt and makes tOSU liable.

 

[pokercuse08]

It doesn't have anything to do with getting "better" -- and everything to do with "bettering" his draft position.

If he's a 6th round pick, 7th round pick, or an UFA, then there is a chance that he might not even make a team or earn a professional contract. If he returns and has another big year, then he'll elevate his stock and go much higher in the draft. The difference in $$$ would be immense.

Personally I think he's going to be an NFL starter, but I'm pretty sure if you asked experts who haven't seen him as much and aren't at all biased, the most likely outcome in their opinion would be late round pickup, maybe out of the league after the rookie deal, maybe a career backup.

A late round rookie deal is worth a little over $1M/he for four years, non-guaranteed. The minimum salary after that is $800K, top backups make more.

So there's definitely a case to be made that a fifth year here making $1.5M or so in NIL is likely to be his highest paying year of football left, and if he ends up being a one contract guy, that $1.5M could constitute more than a quarter of his potential remaining football earnings.

Again, personally I think he's a bargain as a late round pick and likely to be a starter or at least high end backup (they make a couple million a year), but that's a gamble to an extent.

I'm not sure how high that improvement ceiling is for McCord. Like I said, the guy just led FBS in passing.

Doing it against better defenses could go a long way.

Snap counts mean absolutely nothing to the NCAA.

The best argument for the NCAA is something like, "The plan/expectation when he went to Ohio State was that he'd redshirt, and Day messed up. Protect McCord's earning potential and send a message to other kids that if a coach makes a silly mistake with their redshirt and they didn't gain material experience as a result, they will be protected too."

Still not super likely to work, but I think that's the best argument from the NCAA's perspective.

 

[DBCooper]

Which seems like an admission to guilt and makes tOSU liable.

What was the substance of the waiver OSU signed off on?

 

[gocraz4dasu]

If I'm Kyle and I get a waiver 100% I stay. Pull in 1.5m get an insurance policy. Worst case I get drafted next year at the same level. No brainer

The down side to that is this is a weak quarterback class so Kyle could test well and really move himself up draft boards. The top of the draft is basically Shedeur Sanders and a bunch of question marks from Allar to Beck to Ewers (if he leaves) to Ward to McCord. Nobody really has it locked and there are at least 6 teams who need immediate QB help.

Next year it may not be the same QB market and the draft class could be better. I think he'd be better off going to the draft this year unless he gets a REAL nice payday for next year (like Ewers may be getting).

 

[Irt4su]

Imagine Kyle gets the waiver and transfers out...not going to happen...but would this cause the biggest meltdown this board has ever seen?

 

[CooperCuse]

Are we sure Kyle would want to stay? I’m sure his ultimate goal is to get into the league and waiting a year probably won’t help his chances.

If given the opportunity, Kyle should stay, play, and get paid. He's a first rounder after another year at Syracuse.

 

[CNYnVa]

Geez, give it up already. He’s not getting a waiver but if he did some school not SU is going to give him $10 million plus in NIL money and he’s gone.

 

[Cuse House]

Not likely he is back but posters saying he would transfer out if it were to be granted are insane. No way Kyle would play anywhere but at SU for Fran if he was granted another year. He proved he can lead the NCAA in passing and be competitive here.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

If snap counts and playing time were really a thing, Chance Westry could be a 12th year doctoral student.

 

[dasher]

It's extremely cut and dry. You're just talking and haven't actually made an effort to actually understand anything you think you understand.

Well, Syracuse has appealed it. Why if it is so cut and dry? Does the University compliance not understand it as well as you? Now, I don't get it either but the University actually have Ohio St sign off on it. And they actually think they are going to win. I don't know why. But that is what I heard.

 

[NJneer12]

Imagine Kyle gets the waiver and transfers out...not going to happen...but would this cause the biggest meltdown this board has ever seen?

I would burn down my local target. /s

 

[dasher]

Geez, give it up already. He’s not getting a waiver but if he did some school not SU is going to give him $10 million plus in NIL money and he’s gone.

No school is giving him 10 million bucks. Are you nuts? And while I doubt he would get a waiver, if he did get another year, it would be played at Syracuse. There is a reason that he is playing in a somewhat meaningless bowl game. And that reason is Fran Brown.

 

[Doc5120]

Geez, give it up already. He’s not getting a waiver but if he did some school not SU is going to give him $10 million plus in NIL money and he’s gone.

That's literally less likely than him getting next season and the following one.

 

[Chip]

If Syracuse were to win this appeal, is everyone going to be happy, or very upset that the NCAA isn't being consistent.

Or both.

I'll just be happy. Promise.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

Played in a golf tournament with KKDD years ago.

I told him that I send Mitch Berger a Christmas card every year, and he couldn't stop laughing.

Kirby is one of the funniest people I have ever met. Not jokes, but just the way he tells stories. Hilarious.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

If Syracuse were to win this appeal, is everyone going to be happy, or very upset that the NCAA isn't being consistent.

Or both.

I'll just be happy. Promise.

Is there an appeal at all?

 

[Cuse House]

If Syracuse were to win this appeal, is everyone going to be happy, or very upset that the NCAA isn't being consistent.

Or both.

I'll just be happy. Promise.

I would automatically buy tickets for Tennessee and Notre Dame.

 

[orangefog]

Is there an appeal at all?

I mean you've got a decent personality.

 

[GoSU96]

Geez, give it up already. He’s not getting a waiver but if he did some school not SU is going to give him $10 million plus in NIL money and he’s gone.

Good lord, newbie with the nonsense from the top rope.

 

[NKR1978]

What is the waiver based on? The NCAA says you can request a waiver for X, Y, Z. And you want them to accept a waiver based solely on good faith. If they approve Kyle they are setting an entirely new precedent and have to approve 100s or other people.

We all want Kyle back. The best bet is for the NCAA to approve 5 to play 5 between now and the start of next semester.

It seems nonsensical when some guys are getting 9 years that Kyle should have no chance to get a 5th year when he was screwed over by his coach.

 

[NKR1978]

Well, Syracuse has appealed it. Why if it is so cut and dry? Does the University compliance not understand it as well as you? Now, I don't get it either but the University actually have Ohio St sign off on it. And they actually think they are going to win. I don't know why. But that is what I heard.

Clearly a bunch of people speculating on a message board know more than the well paid attorneys who have a ton of experience with the NCAA. Those guys must be morons or just grifters taking SU's money if they're wasting time when it's SO OBVIOUS Kyle wont be granted a waiver.

(And this isn't to say I think it's going to happen, probably more likely than not we're going to lose, but the confidence people have to say there's no way he'll get a waiver. The same misplaced confidence from people who said there's no way Kyle was going to play in the Holiday Bowl. I bet if I found the thread when Kyle was first rumored to be coming here, there would be a lot of people saying there's no way he'd ever come here.)

 

[David321]

It amazes me that there are fans on here that are arguing that Kyle shouldn't get another year, we are our own worst enemy.