Kyle McCord to NFL Draft

[orangefog]

5 years to play 4. Yes. A year or eligibility counts as more than 4 games in one year.

The people who have gotten medical redshirts to stay eligible for extended periods of time have played in less than 4 games or no games in a season and had an injury of some sort or had the COVID year which gave all the 2020s 6 to play 4.

So the 5 is flexible, but the 4 is not. Why can't the NCAA explore waivers that pertain to just the 5? That is outside the rule. Theoretically, a player could play forever, so long as they only play 4 games every year. I am not saying McCord will win, I am just saying there is an argument there. And, you can't tell me there isn't. Saying the 5 years in the rule is worthy of a waiver and the 4 is not, is crazy.

 

[orangefog]

McCord was a freshman in 2021, so there's no COVID year fuzziness, and he didn't suffer a catastrophic injury over the course of his career. Those are the special circumstances.

There's likely 100 guys graduating who played 5 games in a season and didn't get hurt. There's really nothing special about that.

What makes it special is that he played in no meaningful snaps. It was garbage time. Very little value was gained from playing in those minutes. As opposed to someone playing while the game is still competitive and getting hurt.

 

[LeMoyneCuse]

So the 5 is flexible, but the 4 is not. Why can't the NCAA explore waivers that pertain to just the 5? That is outside the rule. Theoretically, a player could play forever, so long as they only play 4 games every year. I am not saying McCord will win, I am just saying there is an argument there. And, you can't tell me there isn't. Saying the 5 years in the rule is worthy of a waiver and the 4 is not, is crazy.

There's already precedent from 2024 that this won't work. Taulia Tagovailoa had Nick Saban testifying for him, and it didn't work.

Sources: Tagovailoa 6th year of eligibility denied

Taulia Tagovailoa had entered the transfer portal this month while applying for an additional year of eligibility, which was denied by the NCAA on Tuesday, sources told ESPN's Pete Thamel.

www.espn.com

 

[LeMoyneCuse]

What makes it special is that he played in no meaningful snaps. It was garbage time. Very little value was gained from playing in those minutes. As opposed to someone playing while the game is still competitive and getting hurt.

So you want the NCAA adjudicating what constitutes a meaningful snap?

 

[orangefog]

Generally they are for hardship. Where is Kyle's hardship? Only playing in 5 games does not qualify.

The smart move for Day going into Michigan and thinking that you are going into the playoffs is to get your #2 QB some game reps since they hadn't played since 10-23 previously. This is especially the case given that QB #1 was dealing with some injuries.

The hardship is that is screwed him out of a year on the field that could benefit him millions of dollars. That is hardly the definition of hardship, but waivers have been given for far less. And, this still falls within McCord's blanket of 5 years. He's not trying for an 8th year.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

So the 5 is flexible, but the 4 is not. Why can't the NCAA explore waivers that pertain to just the 5? That is outside the rule. Theoretically, a player could play forever, so long as they only play 4 games every year. I am not saying McCord will win, I am just saying there is an argument there. And, you can't tell me there isn't. Saying the 5 years in the rule is worthy of a waiver and the 4 is not, is crazy.

What is the waiver based on? The NCAA says you can request a waiver for X, Y, Z. And you want them to accept a waiver based solely on good faith. If they approve Kyle they are setting an entirely new precedent and have to approve 100s or other people.

We all want Kyle back. The best bet is for the NCAA to approve 5 to play 5 between now and the start of next semester.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

What makes it special is that he played in no meaningful snaps. It was garbage time. Very little value was gained from playing in those minutes. As opposed to someone playing while the game is still competitive and getting hurt.

That isn't special

 

[HRE Otto IV]

The hardship is that is screwed him out of a year on the field that could benefit him millions of dollars. That is hardly the definition of hardship, but waivers have been given for far less. And, this still falls within McCord's blanket of 5 years. He's not trying for an 8th year.

That isn't a hardship. It is unfortunate and not fair but not a hardship.

 

[orangefog]

There's already precedent from 2024 that this won't work. Taulia Tagovailoa had Nick Saban testifying for him, and it didn't work.

Sources: Tagovailoa 6th year of eligibility denied

Taulia Tagovailoa had entered the transfer portal this month while applying for an additional year of eligibility, which was denied by the NCAA on Tuesday, sources told ESPN's Pete Thamel.

www.espn.com

That's 6th year of eligibility. Kyle is still within 5. It's a little different, but still worth trying. Hell, if Saban thought to fight for it, it must be worth trying, right?

 

[orangefog]

That isn't a hardship. It is unfortunate and not fair but not a hardship.

Honestly, by definition of "hardship", very few of these circumstances qualify.

 

[FasterCuse]

I think we should all stop acting like the NCAA is rationale in any sense of the word, and sets precedent by doing anything they have done in the past. We all know that is not true based on how they have ruled on different programs for doing the same thing.

Do I think Kyle will be back? No, but let's stop pretending the NCAA will make any rationale decision here.

 

[orangefog]

That isn't special

It makes it worth an argument.

 

[orangefog]

I think we should all stop acting like the NCAA is rationale in any sense of the word, and sets precedent by doing anything they have done in the past. We all know that is not true based on how they have ruled on different programs for doing the same thing.

Do I think Kyle will be back? No, but let's stop pretending the NCAA will make any rationale decision here.

That's all I am saying, it's worth trying for. To say it is cut and dry is ludicrous.

 

[LeMoyneCuse]

That's 6th year of eligibility. Kyle is still within 5. It's a little different, but still worth trying. Hell, if Saban thought to fight for it, it must be worth trying, right?

Because 2020 didn't count for anyone. That's the only reason he had a 5th season in the first place. He played 5 games his freshman year in 2019. Try reading the article.

And do you not understand anything about the idea of "precedent"?

 

[LeMoyneCuse]

That's all I am saying, it's worth trying for. To say it is cut and dry is ludicrous.

It's extremely cut and dry. You're just talking and haven't actually made an effort to actually understand anything you think you understand.

 

[orangefog]

Because 2020 didn't count for anyone. That's the only reason he had a 5th season in the first place. He played 5 games his freshman year in 2019. Try reading the article.

And do you not understand anything about the idea of "precedent"?

I do, does the NCAA? And, I looked up his stats. The dude STARTED 4 games his second year, he played meaningful minutes.

 

[orangefog]

It's extremely cut and dry. You're just talking and haven't actually made an effort to actually understand anything you think you understand.

I'm quite certain I understand my argument thoroughly. Perhaps I don't articulate my argument to your understanding. But, I am okay with that.

 

[LeMoyneCuse]

I do, does the NCAA? And, I looked up his stats. The dude STARTED 4 games his second year, he played meaningful minutes.

His second year was 2020, which was the COVID year and didn't count against anyone's eligibility counter. Should have looked that up too.

 

[BomberOrange]

Just enjoy the bowl game everyone. It was a helluva year.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

I do, does the NCAA? And, I looked up his stats. The dude STARTED 4 games his second year, he played meaningful minutes.

Meaningful minutes has NOTHING to do with the waiver. You keep using arguments that are not valid reasons that the NCAA uses.

No one is saying we shouldn't try. But there is no valid reason for the NCAA to approve this. The reasons that you keep brining up won't even be considered by the NCAA.

 

[LeMoyneCuse]

I'm quite certain I understand my argument thoroughly. Perhaps I don't articulate my argument to your understanding. But, I am okay with that.

And yet you don't understand that a lot of extra eligibility is coming from 2020, when no one's eligibility counted, ignoring that McCord didn't play til 2021.

You're also trying to make the argument that his snaps didn't matter. Good luck getting any coach on Planet Earth to argue that garbage time snaps are meaningless.

 

[AcAndAc]

He entered the game when the score was 49-0 against Michigan St in that 5th game. He lost a year of eligibility to protect Stroud’s season from getting hurt in a total blowout not even to prepare him for more meaningful playing time the next season. He played even less but in more games his very next season averaging less than 3 attempts in 7 games (20 attempts his sophomore season).

He entered the game when the score was 49-0 against Michigan St in that 5th game. He lost a year of eligibility to protect Stroud’s season from getting hurt in a total blowout not even to prepare him for more meaningful playing time the next season. He played even less but in more games his very next season averaging less than 3 attempts in 7 games (20 attempts his sophomore season).

I think it is tough to ask a player to tell his coach NOT to put him in a 5th game just because he wants to protect a redshirt. In the old days, a school could honor the scholarship for a 5th or 6th year to make the player whole.

Now a lost year of eligibility means lost money. So... if McCord applies and is denied... he sets himself up with a lawsuit against the NCAA for the NIL money he lost in depriving him of a year in compensation. If he gets an NFL/CFL job, that would reduce his damages. If his NIL was $100,000... it could be offset. But if his NIL was $1M... much less likely to recoup what has been lost. Very interesting legal scenario.

 

[Nick44]

So? The rule is 5 to play 4, no? So, the 5 is flexible, but the 4 is not?

The 4 is also flexible depending on the program. Which is why he should transfer back to OSU, get the waiver and then say “gotcha” and transfer back to Cuse. Brilliant.

 

[Cusefan69]

This thread has somehow turned into some NCAA panty pull. To be clear there are some saying without any room for alternatives he is not coming back no matter what. We have other board insiders who are passing along that they did hear that there is an effort happening behind the scenes that was seemingly suggested by Fran himself in his bowl presser.
Why are the people who are saying there is no chance getting upset by the fact that others (not some Joe blow but board insiders) saying they are hearing that behind the scenes efforts are being made to get another year? It's not like people are saying anything is automatic here. I certainly appreciate those who had heard he is definitely moving on. I also appreciate those insiders who said they heard some attempts are being made.
Where's the beef here people?

 

[HRE Otto IV]

I think it is tough to ask a player to tell his coach NOT to put him in a 5th game just because he wants to protect a redshirt. In the old days, a school could honor the scholarship for a 5th or 6th year to make the player whole.

Now a lost year of eligibility means lost money. So... if McCord applies and is denied... he sets himself up with a lawsuit against the NCAA for the NIL money he lost in depriving him of a year in compensation. If he gets an NFL/CFL job, that would reduce his damages. If his NIL was $100,000... it could be offset. But if his NIL was $1M... much less likely to recoup what has been lost. Very interesting legal scenario.

While something like that would be a financial W for Kyle, it does nothing for SU FB.

Also wouldn't Ohio State/Day be the defendants and not the NCAA? It wasn't the NCAA that wronged him.