Kyle McCord to NFL Draft

[HRE Otto IV]

Clearly a bunch of people speculating on a message board know more than the well paid attorneys who have a ton of experience with the NCAA. Those guys must be morons or just grifters taking SU's money if they're wasting time when it's SO OBVIOUS Kyle wont be granted a waiver.

Why would attorneys be involved?

 

[HRE Otto IV]

It amazes me that there are fans on here that are arguing that Kyle shouldn't get another year, we are our own worst enemy.

Has there been a single post saying that?

 

[GoSU96]

Well, Syracuse has appealed it. Why if it is so cut and dry? Does the University compliance not understand it as well as you? Now, I don't get it either but the University actually have Ohio St sign off on it. And they actually think they are going to win. I don't know why. But that is what I heard.

This. If there was 0.0 chance I doubt they are spending the resources. Maybe it’s all of them hedging, but there’s no harm in trying and having options.

 

[LeMoyneCuse]

Well, Syracuse has appealed it. Why if it is so cut and dry? Does the University compliance not understand it as well as you? Now, I don't get it either but the University actually have Ohio St sign off on it. And they actually think they are going to win. I don't know why. But that is what I heard.

Cuse is appealing for the sake of appealing and because lawyers will never turn down billable hours from a millionaire client.

If Cuse wins, great. But McCord suffered no catastrophic injury, suffered no hardships, and enrolled after COVID messed up eligibility.

Perhaps they’re going to try a different argument off of lessons gleaned from the Tagivaloa case. But there’s nothing obvious here that fits the framework for a successful appeal.

If feels like a few of you are banking on “LOL NCAA.” If that’s your only hope, wouldn’t be too confident.

 

[David321]

Has there been a single post saying that?

Um yeah, a lot. Some from you!

 

[HRE Otto IV]

Um yeah, a lot. Some from you!

I think you need to reread the posts then

 

[GoSU96]

Why would attorneys be involved?

You must be kidding.

One of the biggest firms in Syracuse has a Collegiate Sports Practice Group. I’m sure they advised on this.

 

[LeMoyneCuse]

Um yeah, a lot. Some from you!

I’m saying there’s no reason to think he will. There’s, surprisingly, a big difference there.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

Cuse is appealing for the sake of appealing and because lawyers will never turn down billable hours from a millionaire client.

If Cuse wins, great. But McCord suffered no catastrophic injury, suffered no hardships, and enrolled after COVID messed up eligibility.

Perhaps they’re going to try a different argument off of lessons gleaned from the Tagivaloa case. But there’s nothing obvious here that fits the framework for a successful appeal.

If feels like a few of you are banking on “LOL NCAA.” If that’s your only hope, wouldn’t be too confident.

I think both Rhino and Bleich had better cases than Kyle, yet both were denied.

 

[LeMoyneCuse]

This. If there was 0.0 chance I doubt they are spending the resources. Maybe it’s all of them hedging, but there’s no harm in trying and having options.

They would absolutely spend the resources, even if it’s 0.0. Making sure he is or isn’t eligible means he’s not eligible for someone else.

 

[David321]

I’m saying there’s no reason to think he will. There’s, surprisingly, a big difference there.

Until you are presented with a compelling reason that it should be granted, and then start arguing against that compelling reason (NIL damages).

There is a thin line between the NCAA won't, and the NCAA shouldn't.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

You must be kidding.

One of the biggest firms in Syracuse has a Collegiate Sports Practice Group. I’m sure they advised on this.

There is no actual law involved. I am sure they can draft up an argument better than a lay person, but at the same time there is no real expertise in the matter. If anything having someone who used to work at the NCAA would be a better person to hire than a lawyer.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

I mean you've got a decent personality.

Plus, I really rock the senior dad bod.

 

[David321]

Cuse is appealing for the sake of appealing and because lawyers will never turn down billable hours from a millionaire client.

If Cuse wins, great. But McCord suffered no catastrophic injury, suffered no hardships, and enrolled after COVID messed up eligibility.

Perhaps they’re going to try a different argument off of lessons gleaned from the Tagivaloa case. But there’s nothing obvious here that fits the framework for a successful appeal.

If feels like a few of you are banking on “LOL NCAA.” If that’s your only hope, wouldn’t be too confident.

He would lose out on seven figures next year. That is monetary damages.

 

[LeMoyneCuse]

Until you are presented with a compelling reason that it should be granted, and then start arguing against that compelling reason (NIL damages).

There is a thin line between the NCAA won't, and the NCAA shouldn't.

What’s the compelling reason it should be granted beyond “people here want it to be?”

 

[David321]

What’s the compelling reason it should be granted beyond “people here want it to be?”

I've already stated it several times.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

Until you are presented with a compelling reason that it should be granted, and then start arguing against that compelling reason (NIL damages).

There is a thin line between the NCAA won't, and the NCAA shouldn't.

How is that a compelling reason for the NCAA? If there are damages it is Ohio State that is to blame not the NCAA.

 

[dasher]

Cuse is appealing for the sake of appealing and because lawyers will never turn down billable hours from a millionaire client.

If Cuse wins, great. But McCord suffered no catastrophic injury, suffered no hardships, and enrolled after COVID messed up eligibility.

Perhaps they’re going to try a different argument off of lessons gleaned from the Tagivaloa case. But there’s nothing obvious here that fits the framework for a successful appeal.

If feels like a few of you are banking on “LOL NCAA.” If that’s your only hope, wouldn’t be too confident.

Don't tell me what I am counting on. I have made it clear that I don't think he will win the appeal. I just haven't been a jerk about telling people what they should believe, And I know that someone in the athletic dept believes that they will win. Thats it.

 

[GoSU96]

There is no actual law involved. I am sure they can draft up an argument better than a lay person, but at the same time there is no real expertise in the matter. If anything having someone who used to work at the NCAA would be a better person to hire than a lawyer.

Wow

 

[David321]

How is that a compelling reason for the NCAA? If there are damages it is Ohio State that is to blame not the NCAA.

They are supposedly the arbiter for such issues, are they not? Does the petition go to the NCAA or Ohio State?

See what I mean, you are now arguing jurisdiction. You are arguing against. Not playing devil's advocate.

 

[NKR1978]

Why would attorneys be involved?

Appeals to the NCAA are typically handled by attorneys. They're treated like legal proceedings. Bond Schoeneck & King in Syracuse is one of the more prominent firms in the country that deals with NCAA issues.

There's also a court element. Some athletes have sued the NCAA in court for an extra year. The NCAA has had its hands tied by local judges issuing injunctions. A friendly Onondaga County judge might be the best way to go. Diego Pavia is suing the NCAA right now over eligibility.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

Wow

Would you rather have a former person who actually worked at the NCAA as part of the appeal process than a lawyer from the Syracuse area who has no expertise in the matter? The ex employee would have intimate knowledge of what they look for and prior successful appeals.

SU has been unsuccessful with their eligibility appeals have they not?

 

[HRE Otto IV]

Appeals to the NCAA are typically handled by attorneys. They're treated like legal proceedings. Bond Schoeneck & King in Syracuse is one of the more prominent firms in the country that deals with NCAA issues.

That is good to know.


Why do we lose everything NCAA related then?

 

[LeMoyneCuse]

Don't tell me what I am counting on. I have made it clear that I don't think he will win the appeal. I just haven't been a jerk about telling people what they should believe, And I know that someone in the athletic dept believes that they will win. Thats it.

And I’m just trying to get all of the reasons it might work early to nip the “the NCAA screwed us” narrative in the bud. It’s not personal.

 

[NKR1978]

That is good to know.


Why do we lose everything NCAA related then?

Because sometimes even great lawyers lose.