Kyle McCord to NFL Draft

[hoopsupstate]

I caught the end of ACC PM with Mel Kiper and I think he said Kyle will go in the second round and Allen and Gadsgen will go in the third. He raved about all three of them.

 

[sufandu]

Did you watch the national championship? He basically dominated the no 1 or 2 d in CFB…he throws it well, runs it well and is big. He’s like a better version of Trevor Lawrence imo

He looked good. I hadn't watched any Ohio St prior to the NC game, part of my SEC/B1G TV boycott. He was more mobile than I realized.

 

[OttosShoes]

I still don't get the Fullback/H-Back thing. It's all Tight Ends. But then there's also a Tight Ends top 10 list with all different tight ends.

Yeah I guess they fit the definition of an H-back. It's the fullback part that's throwing me for a loop.

Problem is that 'Tight End' became so popular it means so many different things these days, and 'Full back' became so unpopular it's tough to list, even though TE basically absorbed the role.

I think the point was that guys like OG can run a deep corner route now and then, but a more blocking-oriented TE isn't going to do that. Might've been better to list 'HB/FB' as 'Flex TE' and then list 'TE' as 'True TE' or something like that, but then you run into a separate set of problems because even the huge dudes are still catching a lot, just on shorter routes.

 

[CbusCuse]

Did you watch the national championship? He basically dominated the no 1 or 2 d in CFB…he throws it well, runs it well and is big. He’s like a better version of Trevor Lawrence imo

He looked good. I hadn't watched any Ohio St prior to the NC game, part of my SEC/B1G TV boycott. He was more mobile than I realized.

Howard is good but not quite as good as you think. He is mobile but he didn't really run it much all year with just over 100 yds rushing in the regular season. He also tripped over his own feet and tackled himself in the open field going for a TD the game before. I think he had done that earlier in the year as well. I think he is good but he does miss some easier passes some times. But his completion % was very good, in part because he did have a solid OL and great weapons. He certainly misses more open throws than Kyle did this year. The ones Kyle misses are because he didn't have anyone close to open to throw to. But Howard does have good upside if he can keep getting more and more consistent. He has been improving his accuracy. 59.8% in 2022, 61.3% in 2023 and 73.1% in 2024. He has mobility over McCord for sure but McCord is more accurate and has impecable accuracy on timing throws and back shoulder throws.

 

[MamesJungro]

I caught the end of ACC PM with Mel Kiper and I think he said Kyle will go in the second round and Allen and Gadsgen will go in the third. He raved about all three of them.

sounds like he hadn't watched us, got some game type, and realized what a cool offense we had this year.

 

[sufandu]

Howard is good but not quite as good as you think.

How do you know how good I think he is? All I said was that he looked good in that game.

It seems like people think any post that doesn't insult Howard is a slight to McCord. Why is that?

 

[FRANKIEFAN]

Interesting list but I’d have Will Howard No 1. And I don’t think there is a close second. Maybe Ward

Why because he played for the best team? Howard won't be good in the NFL.

These guys behind Kyle aren't worthy of a roster spot. He's going in the third unless someone wants him to start this year. Which is likely.

He would have been crazy to not join this draft.

 

[Bulldog04]

If Darnold leaves Minnesota I think that's an interesting landing spot. Seattle as well.

They will go all in on JJ McCarthy is darnold is gone

 

[CbusCuse]

How do you know how good I think he is? All I said was that he looked good in that game.

It seems like people think any post that doesn't insult Howard is a slight to McCord. Why is that?

Ha. That part of it was meant more for AZOrange who said he is a better version of a current NFL 4 year starter at QB.
The stuff about his mobility was directed more to you. I quoted you both in my post so i get the confusion.

 

[cusefan88]

They will go all in on JJ McCarthy is darnold is gone

I don't disagree. I'm just saying it's a great franchise to develop as a QB. Really good staff and gives him flexibility.

 

[sufandu]

Ha. That part of it was meant more for AZOrange who said he is a better version of a current NFL 4 year starter at QB.
The stuff about his mobility was directed more to you. I quoted you both in my post so i get the confusion.

Again, all I said was that I was surprised by the mobility he had in that game. As I said in the first post, that is the only OSU game I watched all year. My comments were not about how good I think he is, only how he looked in that game. Just one game. I never said he was Josh Allen or Lamar Jackson. I wouldn't draw concrete conclusions about how good he is based on that one game anymore than I would about McCord by watching only the Pitt game.

 

[CbusCuse]

Again, all I said was that I was surprised by the mobility he had in that game. As I said in the first post, that is the only OSU game I watched all year. My comments were not about how good I think he is, only how he looked in that game. Just one game. I never said he was Josh Allen or Lamar Jackson. I wouldn't draw concrete conclusions about how good he is based on that one game anymore than I would about McCord by watching only the Pitt game.

OK. You seem to be getting defensive and I think you are misinterpreting my response and tone. I obviously shouldn't have lumped two quotes into one post. I agree with what you are saying. His rushing looked impressive especially considering the competition. I was just trying to point out, that was by far his best rushing production of the season. Although it was on 57 yds on 16 carries (including 2 sacks).

Will Howard 2024 Stats per Game - NCAAF - ESPN

 

[sufandu]

OK. You seem to be getting defensive and I think you are misinterpreting my response and tone. I obviously shouldn't have lumped two quotes into one post. I agree with what you are saying. His rushing looked impressive especially considering the competition. I was just trying to point out, that was by far his best rushing production of the season. Although it was on 57 yds on 16 carries (including 2 sacks).

Will Howard 2024 Stats per Game - NCAAF - ESPN

I'm not defensive. It's just weird when people respond to a post completely outside of its context.

 

[NortheastOHSUfan]

I watched the 1st half. The best O line in CFB will make a lot of QBs look good.

Best O Line in CFB ?? Not even close, they were missing an All-American LT who got injured in the first Oregon game and the 2024 Rimington Trophy winner who was lost in the Indiana game. They have had a patchwork O-line for the entire CFP run. Only the G turned LT was even considered a top tier player.

That said McCord is definitely the better passer, but Howard is much more mobile. Both are proven winners though.

 

[sufan59]

Best O Line in CFB ?? Not even close, they were missing an All-American LT who got injured in the first Oregon game and the 2024 Rimington Trophy winner who was lost in the Indiana game. They have had a patchwork O-line for the entire CFP run. Only the G turned LT was even considered a top tier player.

That said McCord is definitely the better passer, but Howard is much more mobile. Both are proven winners though.

Reflecting back on what McCord was in 2024 and Howard was in 2024. At the end of the season, McCord was an Elite passer, average runner. Howard was a very good passer and very good runner. Also, Howard may very well be a much better passer than what he showed. He showed more in the playoffs and he was super accurate, but it’s kind of tough to judge when your receiver were constantly 1 to 2 steps ahead. McCord threw into a ton of tight windows throughout the season.

 

[FRANKIEFAN]

If the playoffs weren't expanded this year Howard goes undrafted.

 

[bnoro]

Reflecting back on what McCord was in 2024 and Howard was in 2024. At the end of the season, McCord was an Elite passer, average runner. Howard was a very good passer and very good runner. Also, Howard may very well be a much better passer than what he showed. He showed more in the playoffs and he was super accurate, but it’s kind of tough to judge when your receiver were constantly 1 to 2 steps ahead. McCord threw into a ton of tight windows throughout the season.

McCord was not an average runner. He's below average at best if you compare him to most QBs in 2024. I'm extremely high on the guy but any time he had to run I was holding my breath

 

[FrancoPizza]

McCord was not an average runner. He's below average at best if you compare him to most QBs in 2024. I'm extremely high on the guy but any time he had to run I was holding my breath

On this we agree. Gino Toretta comes to mind.

 

[sufan59]

McCord was not an average runner. He's below average at best if you compare him to most QBs in 2024. I'm extremely high on the guy but any time he had to run I was holding my breath

I think I give the average runner rating because he exceeded my very low expectations in his running game going into last season.

 

[orangepassion]

McCord was not an average runner. He's below average at best if you compare him to most QBs in 2024. I'm extremely high on the guy but any time he had to run I was holding my breath

Devito was a faster runner, but an underrated part of what made McCord good is his pocket presence. He was usually able to feel and escape trouble and avoid negative plays (Pitt game being the exception).

 

[upperdeck]

If the playoffs weren't expanded this year Howard goes undrafted.

and Day gets fired

 

[bnoro]

If the playoffs weren't expanded this year Howard goes undrafted.

If "ifs & buts" were cherries and nuts every day would be christmas

 

[orangefog]

If "ifs & buts" were cherries and nuts every day would be christmas

Cherries and nuts lol

 

[David321]

I thought Kyle was surprisingly quick, certainly quick enough for when he would run.

 

[CbusCuse]

I thought Kyle was surprisingly quick, certainly quick enough for when he would run.

I’m going to have to question that. Just yesterday I was looking at the HS scouting report of Kyle McCord from our board favorite recruiting analyst, Brian Dohn. It is amazingly pretty friggin accurate. Thought it was interesting how even back then his QB play was pegged to a T and is exactly the same now. Also on there was his 40 time of 5.07 seconds from the opening regional.

https://247sports.com/player/kyle-mccord-46047962/high-school-203139/

Scouting Report​

EVALUATED 02/15/2020​

Brian DohnNATIONAL RECRUITING ANALYST

PROJECTION​

Second Round

REMINDS US OF​

Matthew StaffordLOS ANGELES RAMS


Wide-shouldered frame with good height and size. Strong arm and accurate. Spins ball well. Poised under pressure. Great leadership qualities. Plays with high IQ. Can throw 15-yard out on line. Touch to throw over linebackers on intermediate routes. Has quick release with good arm angle. Fits balls into tight windows. Accurate throwing on run. Moves in pocket. Extends plays. Needs to continue to develop escapability. More consistency needed on deep balls. Multi-year starter at top 15 program. Projects to be an early round NFL draft pick.

H.S. Athletic Background​

Philadelphia Catholic League MVP
Pennsylvania 6A State Champion
School record passing yards (2,883) yards as sophomore

Skills​

• -Intangibles. 8
• -Pocket Presence. 8
• -Delivery. 8
• -Accuracy. 8
• -Size. 8
• -Outside the pocket. 7
• -Arm Strength. 7
• -Mobility 6