Late game Texas offensive Coaching decisions

[Niastri]

The ESPN app wasn't available for me in the first half, so I didn't get to watch most of the awfulness that everybody here is focusing on.

I only got to watch the comeback. My feelings aren't nearly as raw and fragile as most of you at this point.

I think our offensive identity is going to be largely Lampkin as point center. And I think it can work if guys start making shots, and Lampkin handles the double team better than at times this game, with six assists, but three turnovers (and one TO I think should have been Lampkin's credited to Lucas).

Late game Lampkin had figured out how to dominate Shedrick in the post. Kaluma and the other Texas big Onyema were at 4 fouls, so Shedrick was on his own. We had them right where we wanted them. Lampkin was really effective passing and just bull rushing Shedrick to the basket.

Lampkin abused him in the high post twice in a few minutes, pushing Shedkin right under the basket and laying it up. The second time, Shedkin even tried to go back five years and just fall down, playing defense only Coach K could love. The officials didn't buy it and Lampkin had an uncontested four footer. The third time, Texas doubled down to the post with our best 3 point shooters man. Lampkin seemed startled by the double, and when trying to pass out of the double team turned it over.

But by finally forcing the double team, we were going to get our best three point shooter a wide open catch and shoot threes. In fact, this was what I was expecting when I predicted Bell would go off prior to the game. Texas was going to make it easy if that's how they were going to double Lampkin.

If the other coach wants to help you beat him, you take what he's giving. Doubling off Bell was questionable, but even if they left Starling or Lucas, we would have gotten wide open threes either directly off the double or with a single ball rotation. Even on misses, you'd have Davis rebounding against a big man with four fouls, and Kaluma would have been out of the game five minutes sooner.

After we forced them into the double team on Lampkin, we stopped doing it. We never went back to it, and instead tried bunches of high screens to use Lampkin's passing ability.

My point is, we found something Texas absolutely could not defend and stopped trying after a single preventable turnover. We could have scored 20 plus in the last 8 minutes on open threes, and they went back to Starling off the ball screen driving into the defense.

It's things like this that make me question Red's in game coaching.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

The ESPN app wasn't available for me in the first half, so I didn't get to watch most of the awfulness that everybody here is focusing on.

I only got to watch the comeback. My feelings aren't nearly as raw and fragile as most of you at this point.

I think our offensive identity is going to be largely Lampkin as point center. And I think it can work if guys start making shots, and Lampkin handles the double team better than at times this game, with six assists, but three turnovers (and one TO I think should have been Lampkin's credited to Lucas).

Late game Lampkin had figured out how to dominate Shedrick in the post. Kaluma and the other Texas big Onyema were at 4 fouls, so Shedrick was on his own. We had them right where we wanted them. Lampkin was really effective passing and just bull rushing Shedrick to the basket.

Lampkin abused him in the high post twice in a few minutes, pushing Shedkin right under the basket and laying it up. The second time, Shedkin even tried to go back five years and just fall down, playing defense only Coach K could love. The officials didn't buy it and Lampkin had an uncontested four footer. The third time, Texas doubled down to the post with our best 3 point shooters man. Lampkin seemed startled by the double, and when trying to pass out of the double team turned it over.

But by finally forcing the double team, we were going to get our best three point shooter a wide open catch and shoot threes. In fact, this was what I was expecting when I predicted Bell would go off prior to the game. Texas was going to make it easy if that's how they were going to double Lampkin.

If the other coach wants to help you beat him, you take what he's giving. Doubling off Bell was questionable, but even if they left Starling or Lucas, we would have gotten wide open threes either directly off the double or with a single ball rotation. Even on misses, you'd have Davis rebounding against a big man with four fouls, and Kaluma would have been out of the game five minutes sooner.

After we forced them into the double team on Lampkin, we stopped doing it. We never went back to it, and instead tried bunches of high screens to use Lampkin's passing ability.

My point is, we found something Texas absolutely could not defend and stopped trying after a single preventable turnover. We could have scored 20 plus in the last 8 minutes on open threes, and they went back to Starling off the ball screen driving into the defense.

It's things like this that make me question Red's in game coaching.

My only defense of Red is sometimes in the heat of the moment it's really hard to identify a trend and stick to it.

 

[STEVEHOLT]

My only defense of Red is sometimes in the heat of the moment it's really hard to identify a trend and stick to it.

That’s sort of where coaches separate themselves. The game is much faster down there than up where we are watching and the really good coaches process a ton of real time information very rapidly. The lesser coaches are slow to react / adjust recognize what is happening out there. they just run what they run.

So rather than call your comment a defense I’d say it’s more of an indictment.

 

[EnviroSciGuy]

My only defense of Red is sometimes in the heat of the moment it's really hard to identify a trend and stick to it.

I'm also "hoping" (not that I want anything bad for our kids) that there are some unseen factors constraining Red's decision-making on the lineups.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

That’s sort of where coaches separate themselves. The game is much faster down there than up where we are watching and the really good coaches process a ton of real time information very rapidly. The lesser coaches are slow to react / adjust recognize what is happening out there. they just run what they run.

So rather than call your comment a defense I’d say it’s more of an indictment.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[Sherman20]

The ESPN app wasn't available for me in the first half, so I didn't get to watch most of the awfulness that everybody here is focusing on.

I only got to watch the comeback. My feelings aren't nearly as raw and fragile as most of you at this point.

I think our offensive identity is going to be largely Lampkin as point center. And I think it can work if guys start making shots, and Lampkin handles the double team better than at times this game, with six assists, but three turnovers (and one TO I think should have been Lampkin's credited to Lucas).

Late game Lampkin had figured out how to dominate Shedrick in the post. Kaluma and the other Texas big Onyema were at 4 fouls, so Shedrick was on his own. We had them right where we wanted them. Lampkin was really effective passing and just bull rushing Shedrick to the basket.

Lampkin abused him in the high post twice in a few minutes, pushing Shedkin right under the basket and laying it up. The second time, Shedkin even tried to go back five years and just fall down, playing defense only Coach K could love. The officials didn't buy it and Lampkin had an uncontested four footer. The third time, Texas doubled down to the post with our best 3 point shooters man. Lampkin seemed startled by the double, and when trying to pass out of the double team turned it over.

But by finally forcing the double team, we were going to get our best three point shooter a wide open catch and shoot threes. In fact, this was what I was expecting when I predicted Bell would go off prior to the game. Texas was going to make it easy if that's how they were going to double Lampkin.

If the other coach wants to help you beat him, you take what he's giving. Doubling off Bell was questionable, but even if they left Starling or Lucas, we would have gotten wide open threes either directly off the double or with a single ball rotation. Even on misses, you'd have Davis rebounding against a big man with four fouls, and Kaluma would have been out of the game five minutes sooner.

After we forced them into the double team on Lampkin, we stopped doing it. We never went back to it, and instead tried bunches of high screens to use Lampkin's passing ability.

My point is, we found something Texas absolutely could not defend and stopped trying after a single preventable turnover. We could have scored 20 plus in the last 8 minutes on open threes, and they went back to Starling off the ball screen driving into the defense.

It's things like this that make me question Red's in game coaching.

Yeah, I agree with this. We gotta get the ball to Lampkin in the post. Too many high ball screens with Lampkin that went nowhere. He’s not great at diving on those. He should be in the high post, as you said, and that was working and he was abusing Shedrick.
Why can’t Jyare or Freeman set a high screen as well?

 

[Niastri]

Yeah, I agree with this. We gotta get the ball to Lampkin in the post. Too many high ball screens with Lampkin that went nowhere. He’s not great at diving on those. He should be in the high post, as you said, and that was working and he was abusing Shedrick.
Why can’t Jyare or Freeman set a high screen as well?

Just mind boggling.

I remember watching a Phoenix Suns game when Charles Barkley was there. They ran the same play so often the game got boring, but boy were they efficient.

Charles on the left block, posting up his guy. The double team always came from one of two spots. Charles would pass it to whoever was open. The defense would rotate, and the next guy would quick rotate the ball to whoever was open now. Every single possession, somebody on the Sun's got an open three. I watched a quarter, and they had to be averaging 1.5 points per possession. Boring as hell, but apparently unstoppable. Funny thing is, Sir Charles had only one basket on an offensive rebound and maybe two assists, even though every single possession his offensive threat and passing opened it up for his team.

They did it the entire quarter, and whoever they were playing had nobody who could guard Charles in the post, so the Suns never stopped until Charles needed a rest.

There are some games where Lampkin is going to be doing a Sir Charles impression... And we should just let him. Last night we should have won going away once we made it even and it became apparent nobody was going to guard Lampkin one on one. Smh