Lemon quote on the fans

[rrlbees]

They have a bad pricing plan

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[Bayside44]

The fans also didn't decide to take away any credit for long time donors to the benefit of the johnny come lately one or two year wonders. Along with a number of other brilliant decisions.

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But that's the same deal anywhere. I've had Nats seasons since 2005 and watched horrific baseball...now that they're great I am not getting anything all that speical.

 

[rrlbees]

The payday / risk reward are what they are. Tennesse an UM were a long, long time ago. If schools like that knoe they can triple their payout in NJ, wouldn't they? 10 dollar seasons in a 49K place bandbox ain't sellling, so thank God for the ACC.

Again schools are going to other places. You act like schools will only play in large strong places. Michigan is going to UConn for one.

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[Bayside44]

Again schools are going to other places. You act like schools will only play in large strong places. Michigan is going to UConn for one.

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Good for Michigan. At one point we were supposed to go to tOSU b/c of an AD relationship. We are in a conference that will have VT, FSU, Clemson, etc going to the Dome.

 

[rrlbees]

But that's the same deal anywhere. I've had Nats seasons since 2005 and watched horrific baseball...now that they're great I am not getting anything all that speical.

1 year @10k > 20 years @ 5k.

That drove a lot of longtime dedicated fans away. But is just one of a number of things that cumulatively has worn out the fanbase.


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[Bayside44]

1 year @10k > 20 years @ 5k.

That drove a lot of longtime dedicated fans away. But is just one of a number of things that cumulatively has worn out the fanbase.


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Fine but that isn't unique...what else sucks and what coming forward with the much better schedule sucks?

 

[rrlbees]

Good for Michigan. At one point we were supposed to go to tOSU b/c of an AD relationship. We are in a conference that will have VT, FSU, Clemson, etc going to the Dome.

On occassion they come here.

And I only gave 1 example. The list was much longer but people ignored it because it didn't fit their argument that good teams won't play here.

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[rrlbees]

Fine but that isn't unique...what else sucks and what coming forward with the much better schedule sucks?

Its unique for Syracuse when there was always some credit for longevity. Many schools still reward longevity. Just because it doesn't mean anything to an out of towner or a short time fan, doesn't mean it means nothing to the long time donor. Many left, so it meant something to them even if you keep saying big deal. This is Syracuse, not Los Angeles.

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[Bayside44]

On occassion they come here.

And I only gave 1 example. The list was much longer but people ignored it because it didn't fit their argument that good teams won't play here.

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Our current OOC consists of 2 Big 10 teams ,1 SEC and 1 PAC12. This year we all knew would suck...but you guys talk like The Rolling Stones need to play the Dome.

Again, I would take the historic ability of SU to schedule and the ACC as opposed to the the mythology of who ain't at the Dome.

 

[Bayside44]

Its unique for Syracuse when there was always some credit for longevity. Many schools still reward longevity. Just because it doesn't mean anything to an out of towner or a short time fan, doesn't mean it means nothing to the long time donor. Many left, so it meant something to them even if you keep saying big deal. This is Syracuse, not Los Angeles.

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I know people with UNC and UVa seasons, they fight every year so they don't get bigfooted. That's just how it is.

 

[44cuse]

Clearly he has no idea of the trauma and life long scars one gets when their 15 minute commute home becomes 20 minutes.

Yeah, he really should shut his yapper.

Kaiser...not directed at you...but obviously Alec has no idea how bad traffic is leaving the Dome.

#ilovehomebut...

44cuse

 

[ORANGESCORE]

1 year @10k > 20 years @ 5k.

That drove a lot of longtime dedicated fans away. But is just one of a number of things that cumulatively has worn out the fanbase.


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Lets just face it syracuse is a bad sports town. We had a tough time selling out when we were ranked every year.(the best years was when the dome was new and the idiots in town wanted to check out the new stadium) If I was Su I would tear out every seat in the dome bring down capacity to 42000 and put in individual seats in and cater to the reliable su fan and screw the rest. Sounds to me like you always have a problem with the the ad. Much better than Jake C if you ask me

 

[rocklloyd]

Let's go back a little further, Pasqualoni not firing George. Jake not firing them both. Shaw telling fans to kiss off essentially. G-ROB (colossal mistake). No longer holding a recruiting event for Orange Pack members in February cause Doug can't find 30 min in his day to talk to a small group of fans. Starting the spring game early without telling anyone so fans who did go up there missed the first part of it. Holding the first open practice of the year in Rochester and NOT Syracuse for the local fans. Moving big games to NYC. Removing parking lots right on top of the Dome making it more difficult for people to find parking.

Should I keep going?

Can I add holding fan fest from 3:30 to 5:30 on a Friday?

 

[1orange]

Sorry, that is total bullshit right there! Seriously. Blaming the fans for the failure of the football program is total bullshit on every level.

The fans didn't tell the community to "get a life." The fans didn't hire G-Rob. The fans didn't have an AD in Jake who said.."we aren't in the business of firing people" when we had a head coach and offensive coordinator who were living in the stone ages with their way to run a football team.

Blaming the fans and saying they get what they deserved is total and complete bullshit on every level. As the economy tanked (especially in Syracuse with lots of places closing up) you can't blame some fans for not spending money on SU football when the team was beyond awful for many years and good folks who supported SU for many years were struggling with a bad economy and had a football program go down the toilet on them with nothing but self-inflicted wounds.

Did you just bring up "get a life"???? That was 13 years ago in 1999!!!! Get over it!!! 1999, that year brought us: Y2k, Lance Armstrong's first Tour De France win, Napster, $1.30 gas, Kosovo, The Euro, South Park: Bigger Longer and Uncut, Limp Bizkit.

This just in: - SU is in the ACC. - The Dome has been updated (looks great BTW), - Coach P coaches UConn, - Jake is retired, - Shaw is gone,
- G-Rob is gone.

Is the new era perfect? No, but it's a new era and it look to be better than the last one.

 

[Stern]

Can I add holding fan fest from 3:30 to 5:30 on a Friday?

Forgot that one, good catch!

 

[ForCuseSake]

cater to the reliable su fan

I think the point most locals are making is that SU has failed at this for a very long time.

And when asked by out of town fans (i.e. alumni) what their beefs are w/ the school they're given snarky replies to all of their complaints. The sarcasm/elitism thrown around is not unlike the attitudes expressed by Buzz ("get a life") and Jake ("we're the only horse in town").

And what someone calls "traffic" is relative - many of the people I know here in Rochester are transplants from much bigger cities on the east coast. Within a year of getting used to the "it takes 20 minutes to get anywhere" lifestyle they bit(h about "traffic" as badly as the natives.

I don't hear many locals dumping on out of towners for choosing to live somewhere and spend 1/4 of their lives commuting so let's just put the traffic shite to bed.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

“It would be nice if everyone stayed the whole game and didn’t get up and leave. It’s kind of sucky when you see people get up and leave, but we’re out there playing the game.” - Alec Lemon





Found this interesting quote from the post-game. Rare you see a player (especially a college player) come out against the fans.

Fans don't leave, spectators do. That, for the most part, is what SU has: spectators.

 

[omg_cuse_rules]

At the very least this shows players pay attention to whos in the stands. It would be hard no not be demoralized by your "supporters" just getting up and leaving in the middle of the game.

 

[ForCuseSake]

Did you just bring up "get a life"???? That was 13 years ago in 1999!!!! Get over it!!! 1999, that year brought us: Y2k, Lance Armstrong's first Tour De France win, Napster, $1.30 gas, Kosovo, The Euro, South Park: Bigger Longer and Uncut, Limp Bizkit.

This just in: - SU is in the ACC. - The Dome has been updated (looks great BTW), - Coach P coaches UConn, - Jake is retired, - Shaw is gone,
- G-Rob is gone.

Is the new era perfect? No, but it's a new era and it look to be better than the last one.

Actually it was closer to 10 years ago. And if you're going to tell your customers to piece off then you better have a damn fine product your selling.

The problem was they didn't - it became the perfect storm of an inflammatory PR blunder coinciding with worst stretch of losing in the Dome era.

 

[MaxwellCuse]

And what someone calls "traffic" is relative - many of the people I know here in Rochester are transplants from much bigger cities on the east coast. Within a year of getting used to the "it takes 20 minutes to get anywhere" lifestyle they bit(h about "traffic" as badly as the natives.

I don't hear many locals dumping on out of towners for choosing to live somewhere and spend 1/4 of their lives commuting so let's just put the traffic shite to bed.

You're kidding right? I lived in Syracuse in the 60s and 70s. For the past 30 years I've lived in the Berkshires near the NY/Massacusetts border. Whenever I travel to Syracuse -- not just on weekends or gamedays -- I always wonder what happened to all the traffic I had to deal with. The reality is, aside from some suburban strips, the so-called "traffic" in Syracuse is about half of what it was when I lived there.

 

[ForCuseSake]

You're kidding right? I lived in Syracuse in the 60s and 70s. For the past 30 years I've lived in the Berkshires near the NY/Massacusetts border. Whenever I travel to Syracuse -- not just on weekends or gamedays -- I always wonder what happened to all the traffic I had to deal with. The reality is, aside from some suburban strips, the so-called "traffic" in Syracuse is about half of what it was when I lived there.

My point wasn't to validate upstate NYers gripes about traffic - it was to say that people's tolerance for what they call "traffic" is relative. I cant argue w/ your comparison of Syracuse "traffic" now to 40-50 years ago I lived there mid 70s-90s.

 

[rocklloyd]

Fans don't leave, spectators do. That, for the most part, is what SU has: spectators.

Which is exactly why winning is the most important thing for this program. You have 20k hardcore and you need another 29k fair weathers who will come when the team wins.

 

[Louie&Bouie]

Which is exactly why winning is the most important thing for this program. You have 20k hardcore and you need another 29k fair weathers who will come when the team wins.

Exactly!

 

[ForCuseSake]

I've lived in the Berkshires near the NY/Massacusetts border.

On the NY or Mass side? Was shipped off to a Mass boarding school near there - gorgeous country!

 

[cmr27]

SU scheduled Stonybrook to get a "sure thing" win, not drive attendance. It's not unlike the basketball team bringing in creampuffs in November for the same reason. SU played Manhattan in front of half the number of people who would attend the Louisville game in March. That ratio holds here. SU football or hoops can get half of its per game peak attendance if it schedules a smaller downstate school with no tradition or rivalry for an OOC game.

SU felt the "sure thing" win was worth it. I'd venture a lot of people didn't know Stonybrook had a football team until they showed up on the schedule. Why expect even an average turnout?

The tell-tale test of the fans is not the best or worst games on the schedule. It's the garden-variety contests against traditional rivals. They are your constant and will give you a more accurate level of support than bringing Stonybrook or USC to the Dome... Oh wait, that last part didn't happen.