Lemon quote on the fans

[matcuse]

just win baby...and they will come.

 

[CusefanATL]

Not sure why having an airport is critical to a team drawing fans. Very few fans fly to games. They will drive though. You are conveniently ignoring that football is king in the south and that ND has a fan base that dwarfs ours. I never once mentioned population. I mentioned loss of economic base. How exactly does any part of your response refute what I posted? Apples and Oranges.

auburn al and anything in SC have no economic base.

 

[orangecuse]

I suspect that many of the issues that drove away the footballers did not exist for basketball. I also suspect that attendance is not what it once was (average per game), despite an NC. I would guess that there are more students at those games, too. But basically, when you take away the students and season ticket holders, I would guess that each sport draws about the same. I would also expect more people to go to basketball games as the weather makes doing other stuff very unpleasant.

You can't overlook the losing...it's really a substantial contributing factor. And, there's plenty of things to do in the winter besides going to hoops games...skiing, sleding, skating, to name a few.

 

[alphaorange]

The top programs in the country fill 100,000 seat stadiums. We have a half-full stadium that is half the size and half the people there are gone by the end of the game. How are top coaches and players going to look at that and decide that they want to come here rather than a place where a larger stadium is full, no matter who they are playing?

You can't seriously expect us to compete even half way with those schools, can you? You make SU seem like the little dog that thinks he's a big dog. Those 100k stadiums are not small private schools they are large state schools with humongous alumni bases that have those same bases living close to the Universities. Tell me again how we should be compared to them in any meaningful way.

 

[rrlbees]

Go it sounds like he "Needs to Get a Life"
I agree with everything you say...the SU FB program doesn't go to work everyday saying, "What should be do to piss off the local populace?" I know some of the people in the AD Department and they are all very hard working and good people. Ten years of sucking, negative demographic trends along with CNY negative attitudes have not helped. SWC is correct too. Bee's is illustrating the aftereffects.

Do a root cause analysis of when and how we lost fans. Then compare those results against what SU has done to bring back those fans and cultivate new ones.

BTW, the bigger problem is season tixs more so than the casual fan.

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[alphaorange]

auburn al and anything in SC have no economic base.

You conveniently left out the part about the football culture in the south. They would rather go to the game than eat.

 

[alphaorange]

You can't overlook the losing...it's really a substantial contributing factor. And, there's plenty of things to do in the winter besides going to hoops games...skiing, sleding, skating, to name a few.

You know a lot of people that go sledding and skating? Lol...I am aware you can ski and it is done mostly on the weekends.

 

[CusefanATL]

You can't seriously expect us to compete even half way with those schools, can you? You make SU seem like the little dog that thinks he's a big dog. Those 100k stadiums are not small private schools they are large state schools with humongous alumni bases that have those same bases living close to the Universities. Tell me again how we should be compared to them in any meaningful way.

we arent a small private school. we are a bigger than average private school.

 

[rrlbees]

Knoxville, Tennessee
State College, PA
Auburn, AL <---- do you know where auburn is? they dont have an airport.
South Bend, Indiana (population has decreased similar to syracuse)
Clemson, SC <---- closest airport is an hour away

Bad examples for various reasons. Are any of those state schools? Are any located in an area where football is a cult from the time a kid can walk? As to ND, we can only wish that our alumni flocked to games in the numbers that ND alumni do. You think SB locals are what makes ND what they are?

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[CusefanATL]

You conveniently left out the part about the football culture in the south. They would rather go to the game than eat.

i am not conveniently leaving anything out. i am proving a point that you don't need to have an economic base that you spoke about in the original post i quoted.

especially when you offer $100 seats.

it is Doc Gross' job to make that football culture in CNY. that is the point.

 

[CusefanATL]

Bad examples for various reasons. Are any of those state schools? Are any located in an area where football is a cult from the time a kid can walk? As to ND, we can only wish that our alumni flocked to games in the numbers that ND alumni do. You think SB locals are what makes ND what they are?

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My response was strictly to the quoted section I used.

It was in response to Syracuse not being able to support 40k because of the economic base of a 50 mile radius. knoxville is the only city mentioned that even comes remotely close to the size of Syracuse (about 30k bigger than cuse)

 

[Stern]

The program has failed them? Are you kidding. It's a COLLEGE FOOTBALL team. It's not a pro team, and get this sport, they don't OWE you anything, other than effort and to try to run the program the right way. That's it. They don't OWE you playing a style you like, they don't OWE you wins.

Here's the thing, a fan is a fan, which means support come hell or high water. You don't go out of your way to find offense, you support the team, regardless of difficulty, and you, I hate to be repetitive, support the team.

A fan does not accumilate (perceived) personal affronts and wallow in them all the time. A fan does not go out of his way to only focus on negatives to all exclusion of obvious positives.

Here's a couple of questions for you, and be honest. From kickoff to the end of the game, do you ever actually cheer for the team? Do you ever actually applaud them for a good play? Have you ever made a post on this board to acknowledge, and not in a gruding backhanded way but a purely positive manner, the actual obvious and fundamental improvements in the program?

Sure I will cheer, when there is something to cheer about. When they are down 28-10 and a guy for SU runs for a first down no I don't go nuts standing up cheering and acting like a fool. But when its a good game and the team is winning, or there is an amazing play, sure who wouldn't!

I was VERY positive on this board last year when we were 5-2 and on our way to a bowl game. When things are going well and SU is doing things well I say positive things. When things are bad I point out the negative. That's how it works! lol. I am not a blind homer, sorry!

There are improvements but the end results haven't changed. Sorry. That is a fact.

 

[orangecuse]

auburn al and anything in SC have no economic base.

Yeah, no doubt. Columbia, SC is an armpit and they just pack their stadium...but the culture is trully different in the south, football is a higher religion. Blacksburg, VA has no economic base either and just look at VPI's attendance. You can really go on and on about a lot of these relatively small towns in the south that just pack their stadiums for football, Oxford MS, Athen, GA, etc. etc.

To really analyize fairly though, you really have to compare other private school's attendance with Syracuse's. I don't think too many private schools out there are have very impressive football attendance...it's a horse of a different color.

The one thing Syracuse does have in its favor though, it's really the only school that plays major college football in the state (Buffalo only recently). So the potential is there to capture more fans in Rochester, Albany, Buffalo, etc. But NYS is a so sectional/regional, unlike so many other states. For the most part, if you live in Rochester, Buffalo, Albany, etc., people their could really give a rats arse about SU. :noidea: The north country though has a huge Syracuse following that SU is their football team and actually have quite a bit of passion for the program.

 

[TexanMark]

Do a root cause analysis of when and how we lost fans. Then compare those results against what SU has done to bring back those fans and cultivate new ones.

BTW, the bigger problem is season tixs more so than the casual fan.

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I agree they need to revamp the preferred. I think the economy and the team sucking are the root causes.

Decrease the preferred A by 50% the others by 25%...push preferred to within the 30's. We need to be thankful for the new ACC money and give the local fan some relief.

 

[alphaorange]

we arent a small private school. we are a bigger than average private school.

We are #18...now compare the football programs at those smaller and get back to me

 

[AZOrange]

The top programs in the country fill 100,000 seat stadiums. We have a half-full stadium that is half the size and half the people there are gone by the end of the game. How are top coaches and players going to look at that and decide that they want to come here rather than a place where a larger stadium is full, no matter who they are playing?

Most of those schools are sooooo much bigger. Silly to compare

 

[CusefanATL]

Yeah, no doubt. Columbia, SC is an armpit and they just pack their stadium...but the culture is trully different in the south, football is a higher religion. Blacksburg, VA has no economic base either and just look at VPI's attendance. You can really go on and on about a lot of these relatively small towns in the south that just pack their stadiums for football, Oxford MS, Athen, GA, etc. etc.

To really analyize fairly though, you really have to compare other private school's attendance with Syracuse's. I don't think too many private schools out there are have very impressive football attendance...it's a horse of a different color.

The one thing Syracuse does have in its favor though, it's really the only school that plays major college football in the state (Buffalo only recently). So the potential is there to capture more fans in Rochester, Albany, Buffalo, etc. But NYS is a so sectional/regional, unlike so many other states. For the most part, if you live in Rochester, Buffalo, Albany, etc., people their could really give a rats arse about SU. :noidea: The north country though has a huge Syracuse following that SU is their football team and actually have quite a bit of passion for the program.

thats fine if you talk about the difference in culture.

but that turns the blame to the fans. not the performance, not the administration, and not the lack of alumni.

 

[OrangeCrush22]

It must have sucked for everyone who left early and missed the offense run the clock down. /sarcasm

 

[orangecuse]

You know a lot of people that go sledding and skating? Lol...I am aware you can ski and it is done mostly on the weekends.

Ha. I would of also mentioned snowmobiling, but most people in CNY can't afford the gas, let alone the machine itself.

 

[AZOrange]

My response was strictly to the quoted section I used.

It was in response to Syracuse not being able to support 40k because of the economic base of a 50 mile radius. knoxville is the only city mentioned that even comes remotely close to the size of Syracuse (about 30k bigger than cuse)

Chicago is what 2 hours from nd? That makes a huge difference

 

[CusefanATL]

We are #18...now compare the football programs at those smaller and get back to me

miami - much smaller
duke
wake - much smaller
northwestern- much smaller
stanford - much smaller undergrad
bc
usc - much bigger
vandy
baylor - same size

who am i missing as far as private football schools?

 

[CusefanATL]

Chicago is what 2 hours from nd? That makes a huge difference

and cuse should be able to sell out a 50k stadium with the assistance of roch, binghamton, buffalo, and ithaca.

i agree with you that 2 hrs should be included - but the original post said 50 miles.

 

[AZOrange]

and cuse should be able to sell out a 50k stadium with the assistance of roch, binghamton, buffalo, and ithaca.

i agree with you that 2 hrs should be included - but the original post said 50 miles.

You have to have a product to support. This is all about the team being relatively terrible for a decade or more. The rest is all white noise

 

[GoSU96]

Sure I will cheer, when there is something to cheer about. When they are down 28-10 and a guy for SU runs for a first down no I don't go nuts standing up cheering and acting like a fool. But when its a good game and the team is winning, or there is an amazing play, sure who wouldn't!

I was VERY positive on this board last year when we were 5-2 and on our way to a bowl game. When things are going well and SU is doing things well I say positive things. When things are bad I point out the negative. That's how it works! lol. I am not a blind homer, sorry!

There are improvements but the end results haven't changed. Sorry. That is a fact.

So you support the team only when it's winning. Nice.

Oh, in other words when things are going well you're behind them, when they aren't going well, not so much. Got it, not that it's surprising, just nice to have it on the record.

Mark another one down for fairweather bandwagoner.

 

[Stern]

So you support the team only when it's winning. Nice.

Oh, in other words when things are going well you're behind them, when they aren't going well, not so much. Got it, not that it's surprising, just nice to have it on the record.

Mark another one down for fairweather bandwagoner.

I don't know how you read that into my post. I am not some kid in my 20's who goes and gets drunk and stands and shouts the whole game just to act like a fool. I go with family most games or business associates on occasion. I act like like a normal person. Cheer when there is something to cheer about and when its appropriate. I don't see how that is a fairweather fan honestly but whatever.