LeQuint Allen is Back

[OrangeXtreme]

 

[OrangeXtreme]

I don’t think Emily is very good, no mention of Hawkins, she doesn't do homework

https://www.si.com/college/syracuse/recruiting/juco-rb-deston-hawkins-commits-to-syracuse

She's working off the current SPRING roster, which came out in March.

I don't think she even knows about the JUCO.

Class of 2023 - JUCO RB Deston Hawkins (CA) COMMITTED TO SYRACUSE (5/23/23)

syracusefan.com

 

[kcsu]

Just let the AD know im out as a donor if this stands.

I don’t think Emily is very good, no mention of Hawkins, she doesn't do homework

https://www.si.com/college/syracuse/recruiting/juco-rb-deston-hawkins-commits-to-syracuse

Emily is mediocre at best

 

[djorange1989]

I don’t think Emily is very good, no mention of Hawkins, she doesn't do homework

https://www.si.com/college/syracuse/recruiting/juco-rb-deston-hawkins-commits-to-syracuse

no that is a big error, but the PS(not necessarily her) did break the story, I will give them/her that

 

[orangenauburn]

Couldn't he argue he didn't have and wasn't allowed legal representation during initial hearings and that his statements were coerced

 

[GoSU96]

I went from a Fortune 500 company to a large private University. What a shock. I am guessing 5-10% of profs could actually make it in the real world.

All those student loans and direct federal aid is subsidizing an enormous amount of useless, if not outright harmful, degrees, departments, faculty, and bureaucratic apparatchiks.

 

[cusefan88]

The players are rallying around their guy. SU is crazy if they don't reverse or reduce this penalty. Just give him 1-2 game penalty to save face if needed.

 

[SWC75]

Some video of the fight has surfaced:

 

[CuseMan4]

Soooo supposedly Allen was punched first and he punched back (as any normal person would do). The literal Syracuse legal system pretty much threw the case out because they thought it was a nothing. Then the university thinks that equates to a year long suspension.

I swear the day the Syracuse administration and AD office, somehow garner enough power to combine for ONE, singular brain cell. It will be a miracle

 

[Sudano]

I've now read through all the legal papers. LaQunit has a tough case for an Article 78 proceeding.

He is claiming that at the first two levels of the SU judicial system, (before one student and then before the student board) he was told that self defense could not be raised or considered. Even if he is right there, the final SU appeal before the adults did discuss self defense and rejected it. One may disagree with their conclusion but there is a big legal difference with addressing a defense and rejecting it and never addressing an available defense in the first place. Only the latter is usually able to be successfully legally challenged.

LaQuint's argument is that if the first two levels considered self defense, they may have not given him a two semester suspension. A court will generally not make that type of assumption, especially if the last level of internal appeal did uphold the suspension and did address self defense. Even so, a one semester fall 2023 suspension would take him off the football team this season anyway.

He is also arguing in effect that the punishment does not fit the crime. SU suspended him for a year with the opportunity to be reinstated again to finish his degree after a year and presumably play football again. I doubt a court will consider that as a result that "shocks the senses". We may disagree but a court usually is very careful not to interject itself into discretionary decisions that were made at lower levels unless there is a huge miscarriage of justice. I would suspect that SU can show that they have suspended many students in the past who got into a fight with another student so as to show that LaQunit is not unique.

He punched another student in the face and allegedly caused a tooth to come out and head injuries. I probably would have done the same thing if I was LaQuint under the circumstances. But it would be very hard for a trial court judge to reverse the decision of a private college on the suspension of a student who admitted to punching another student in the face even without those injuries unless there were massive procedural missteps which now that I have read all the papers, I just don't see. Article 78 proceedings are not easy. I hope for the sake of the season that I am wrong.

I can not for the life of me think of any judiciary based organization denying basic constitutional and due process self defense rights from any defendant and getting away with it. 2nd Amendment allows the right to 'bear arms' or 'use weapons' 'a punch' in defense of his well being and liberty. While not literally mentioned I think it can also be argued along with denial of the basic human right or the right to a defense of self defense. If a women was punched twice and then responded the way he did can you imagine the women not being allowed to mention self defense or the context of the use of force thus getting suspended?! This is the very definition of arbitrary and capricious.. when the case was 'decided without reasonable grounds or adequate consideration of the circumstances.' Being denied context is the very basis of being denied basic rights and true justice. He has alot of strong legal arguments to make and just by saying that SU is a private entity is denying that even private organizations have to follow the law and establish rulings based on sound legal standards.

 

[RF2044]

Agreed. Put him on probation and have him volunteer some time with inner city kids or something. Don't run a young man's life for something like this.

You touched on the main point here -- the penalty isn't just arbitrary and capricious, it also could destroy the kid's life.

Dumb. Which is why it makes "sense" that a university's bureaucracy would allow this type of outcome.

 

[JRHEETER]

This kind of stuff is scary to me, this is how you get players to quit on their team

These guys are a family and they are all going to feel slighted by Syracuse University

The positive is, it looks like Dino is NOT in favor of the disciplinary course of this as he allowed Lequint to play in the spring game and spring ball while all of this was going on.


Lequint deserves to be on this team. This is insane and is only going to reflect extremely poorly on Syracuse University.

 

[sabach]

Soooo supposedly Allen was punched first and he punched back (as any normal person would do). The literal Syracuse legal system pretty much threw the case out because they thought it was a nothing. Then the university thinks that equates to a year long suspension.

I swear the day the Syracuse administration and AD office, somehow garner enough power to combine for ONE, singular brain cell. It will be a miracle

The Onondaga County DA did not throw the case out. They adjourned the case in contemplation of dismissal which is a common resolution for young people with no prior criminal history. But yes the DA did not think the criminal charge was enough to fully prosecute while SU seems to have thrown the book at him.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

The Onondaga County DA did not throw the case out. They adjourned the case in contemplation of dismissal which is a common resolution for young people with no prior criminal history. But yes the DA did not think the criminal charge was enough to fully prosecute while SU seems to have thrown the book at him.

Do you think one had something to do with the other?

The fact that the DA chose not to prosecute Allen made the Student Board go after Allen that much harder?

 

[721Comstock]

The Onondaga County DA did not throw the case out. They adjourned the case in contemplation of dismissal which is a common resolution for young people with no prior criminal history. But yes the DA did not think the criminal charge was enough to fully prosecute while SU seems to have thrown the book at him.

Yup. 144% exactly THIS.

As me how I know how this works from personal "yout" experience.

IF you keep your nose clean for X months (6, 12, 24, whatever is decided upon) - THEN the charges are dismissed, and it's like it never happened.

 

[sabach]

This kind of stuff is scary to me, this is how you get players to quit on their team

These guys are a family and they are all going to feel slighted by Syracuse University

The positive is, it looks like Dino is NOT in favor of the disciplinary course of this as he allowed Lequint to play in the spring game and spring ball while all of this was going on.


Lequint deserves to be on this team. This is insane and is only going to reflect extremely poorly on Syracuse University.

Here's the thing, LeQuint did not even know it was an issue with the school until February. As far as he knew, he punched a guy and then he went home. Continued to practice and play in the Pinstripe Bowl and then in February was notified out of no where that there was an SU disciplinary action being taken and he actually had to miss the first disciplinary meeting because his dad died. That is why we are only getting the resolution of this matter now.

 

[RF2044]

Yup. 144% exactly THIS.

As me how I know how this works from personal "yout" experience.

IF you keep your nose clean for X months (6, 12, 24, whatever is decided upon) - THEN the charges are dismissed, and it's like it never happened.

That would be the common sense outcome, that you might expect. Book not thrown on a first infraction, how things unfold next is up to the kid. Keep nose clean, prove that it was a one-off negative event and not a pattern / trend, and "earn" a long-term outcome where this goes away.

But this is a university proceeding, so common sense gets thrown out the window.

 

[JDubbin]

It’s just so mediocre by Syracuse University, a school I love & graduated from… but am disappointed in. The system is just so out of touch & far from real life common sense. Even having a ruling in front of ONE student is patently ridiculous, how is bias at all counter balanced in that?! Super frustrating, the fact that self defense can’t/isn’t factored in is stunning to me… I feel for LeQuint, he’s shown up & owned his part & is being penalized for even that. Embarrassing for SU. The system is broken.

 

[cusefan88]

Let's get to LeQuint before...this goes OT.

 

[W'boro'Cuse315]

For me, it was vandalism of a South Campus apartment that I moved out of days before it happened. My roommate's ex threw paint all over, defecated and urinated throughout our place.

Damn. I usually have to pay extra for all that.

 

[Chip]

Let's get to LeQuint before...this goes OT.

The horse has been beaten to death.

 

[Roger N]

I'm looking into that. But the guy did change his story. Initially he said that another football player held him up while LaQuint punched him. The other football player was initially charged by SU but then proved he wasn't even there and the SU charges were dropped.

In my limited legal experience, there is an incomplete story of the incident. Did the complaint lie? Which should nullify the complaint. Or are there more facts to be gleaned. As of now I don't think a suspension is warranted. Perhaps, Mr. Allen should offer to pay for the medical expenses and attend some kind of training and the complainant has learned a valuable lesson - Don't punch a guy who will knock you out.

 

[sabach]

In my limited legal experience, there is an incomplete story of the incident. Did the complaint lie? Which should nullify the complaint. Or are there more facts to be gleaned. As of now I don't think a suspension is warranted. Perhaps, Mr. Allen should offer to pay for the medical expenses and attend some kind of training and the complainant has learned a valuable lesson - Don't punch a guy who will knock you out.

The Complainant initially said that LeQuint held him up while another SU player punched him. It was then proven that the other SU player was not even there. LeQuint stood up for his teammate to help prove he wasn't there but in so doing LeQuint did admit he punched the guy to as LeQuint said "prevent him from punching me a third time". The Complainant, who is an SU student, is not credible here and never has alleged that LeQuint injured him. He apparently was involved in several fights that night. The complainant never appeared in this matter again after he filed his police statement. He never showed up at the hearing or anything. LeQuint has agreed to pay for the guy's medical co-pays as part of a deal LeQuint offered. Not saying this was the complainant's motivation, but oddly enough, if the guy was looking to make money off of this, getting LeQuint suspended from football is probably going to kill that idea. Also, according to LeQuint, the complainant threated LeQuint that he was going to come back with a gun after LeQuint put him on his rear. The legal papers say nothing about what disciplinary action SU has taken against the complainant.

 

[Roger N]

Busy having a kid at 85

That reminds me, I have a neighbor who claims Al is the father of a special needs child who lives in a group home near me.

 

[djorange1989]

If the judge is not 100% comfortable overriding the university's dumb decision, then I hope at the hearing next month that he at least gives the lawyers from SU the "I will give you and Mr. Allen's attorney 48 hours to work something out, I think it would be in your best interest" speech, maybe that will freak them out enough to work it out and the judge won't have to actually do it. I am not Matlock, but if that is feasible, I am hoping for it.