LeQuint Allen is Back

[UpstateSM]

Or impolitely.

I’d prefer she berate me into it but this is a PG-13 website so I try to keep it to myself

 

[OrangeXtreme]

The student judicial board should have been shut down years ago.
Students have no business passing judgements on other students.

 

[money3189]

Greg Schiano is going to have a field day with this on the recruitment trail.

What’s the pitch? “Come to Rutgers where if you punch a dude you’re good” ?

 

[UpstateSM]

The legal documents are making my blood boil. Really gross stuff from SU.

 

[SWC75]

The average Joe will see Fitzpatricks statement and will look at it as it's the school who is wrong. They will think to themselves if the DA is surprised at the severity, then the school is in the wrong

Honk if you are an 'Average Joe'.


HONK!

 

[two3zone]

I just have a hard time believing that the standard punishment for throwing a punch is a 2 semester suspension.

I’d still be suspended.

 

[chuck]

This is why I don't get all giddy and make grandiose predictions about the my favorite team or talk about the teams I don't like during the off-season on here for fear of the anti orange gods striking me in the heart with news like this....

 

[orangenauburn]

 

[two3zone]

Our All-ACC point guard smacked a dude in the back of the head during a game on campus and didn’t get punished lol

Didn’t get punished yet.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

I’d follow Ms. Jaime to the gates of hell if she asked me to politely

...

waitaminu... say, uh, anybody think she might, uh, be looking for a, uh, job?

Because I've got a ton of appointments coming up and could really use some help.

 

[SWC75]

I’m kind of struck by the irony. When I was an SU student back in the 17th century, I had a football player tell me on a few occasions “I’d have to kill someone to get arrested. The Athletic Dept has friends downtown.”

He wasn’t bragging or being smug. He was just making an observation.

I guess things have done a 180.

This contains some stories about the old, old days:

Nate Oats and Alabama

That big NBA $ bonus will b a juicy target in the coming wrongful death suit But for the presence of the gun there is no death. Miller solely responsible for the gun being on the scene. It’s sounding more and more like Miles put the gun in Miller’s car at some earlier date. Then Miller came...

syracusefan.com

 

[jgeorge322]

It’s pretty clear, he’s registered as a student, he was disciplined by the board that handles the student code of conduct…

He is def a student. You can be a student and an employee. Think harder.

 

[Trueblue25]

Got a good amount of information on this today and its exactly as stupid as has been speculated in here.

Get over yourselves and let the kid play. Ridiculous.

 

[SUFan44]

I'm not sure who you are referencing by "parents of full time employees". Just by following this thread, I have only seen tweets from the OC's wife and Gadsen's mom.

I don't know when Babers would have been aware, but if there was a University hearing in February then yes, he should've been at least before spring practice. Point taken. I believe this incident took place December 11, but I do not know if it has been stated when it was brought to the University's attention and subsequently the Syracuse Police/Onondaga County DA. December 11 is late in the semester or even during finals week so I wonder if DPS was called right away or did the other student wait until they were at home during Christmas break or even upon return to campus in January for the Spring semester? There are so many unknowns at this point that I'm willing to be patient.

In my haste I wrote parents instead of spouses. My fault.

The point remains that the situation was viewed such that no punishment was handed down to Allen after the AD & coaches heard about this.

Yet, the University handed out a punishment of not one semester suspension but two semesters, summer included. You really don’t think that’s too harsh?

In response to your timeline, Babers knew about it. He had to have. If he didn’t know about it the night of, he knew about it the next day. Let’s not be naive. And if he didn’t find out about it until the February timeline, then don’t you think he would have taken a harsher stance for Allen not being forthcoming about it? Which is why you should infer that all parties were aware of this in a timely fashion. And no punishment (that we are aware of publicly) was handed out.

You’re asking a lot of questions about one side but I have a lot more about the other, too… why did the complaintant fail to show up to the hearing? What was the punishment handed out from the University to the apparent instigator/complaintant? This person was involved in several other altercations throughout the evening in question - was that taken into consideration? If not, that is a very bad approach to take a singular punch in a vacuum and hand out a severe penalty for that one singular act without taking into account every single factor.

 

[FrancoPizza]

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I reached out to John and so did three others

Only 3 fans?

 

[shandeezy7]

He is def a student. You can be a student and an employee. Think harder.

He receives no compensation from the university for his services. He receives tuition and cost of living benefits that he pays no taxes on. There are previously settled cases that student athletes are not university employees and therefore are not offered the same protections as employees. Sure, that continues to be challenged in courts, but as it stands, he’s not an employee, and like I said before, no court would consider him one.

Ninth Circuit Court Rules Student Athletes Are Not Employees: Dawson v. National Collegiate Athletic Association

A federal district court in California has weighed in on the question of whether student-athletes are employees for the purposes of minimum wage and overtime laws. And, like the courts before it, it has rejected that notion.

www.natlawreview.com

Seventh Circuit Agrees: Student-Athletes Are Not Employees Under the FLSA | Insights | Holland & Knight

The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Seventh Circuit affirmed that University of Pennsylvania student-athletes were not school employees under the Fair Labor Standards Act.

www.hklaw.com

 

[Orangezoo]

I hope Kent enjoys the lack of sleep he is going to get with the many many calls and emails flooding his office.

 

[Chip]

That’s a terrible idea. However, I do wonder why students are passing judgement on students in this day and age? Especially in a situation where an event has legal implications.

I certainly didn’t send my kid to college to have other students potentially kick her off campus.

Yeah, why are the inmates running the asylum instead of the adults?

It’s so dumb.

 

[tep624]

This entire situation is idiotic. So according to the SU admin, you shouldn’t go to help defend your friends and if you do then you shouldn’t defend yourself if assaulted.

I’d LOVE to meet the people that handed out this punishment. But I’d probably have to drag them out from under their rocks first. School Judicial boards never cease to disappoint.

 

[dollarbill44]

I don’t care if we're talking chilling effect. These student disciplinary boards should be open to the public; every single person responsible for this decision should be known.

Well, that would be absurd.

 

[sdhall01]

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Only 3 fans?

We should start a collective to send messages. We can come up with a snappy name like Only 3 Fans. Maybe drop the 3 so it's just onlyfans. Seems like a great idea! I'll buy that URL!

 

[ThundrTroll]

In my haste I wrote parents instead of spouses. My fault.

The point remains that the situation was viewed such that no punishment was handed down to Allen after the AD & coaches heard about this.

Yet, the University handed out a punishment of not one semester suspension but two semesters, summer included. You really don’t think that’s too harsh?

In response to your timeline, Babers knew about it. He had to have. If he didn’t know about it the night of, he knew about it the next day. Let’s not be naive. And if he didn’t find out about it until the February timeline, then don’t you think he would have taken a harsher stance for Allen not being forthcoming about it? Which is why you should infer that all parties were aware of this in a timely fashion. And no punishment (that we are aware of publicly) was handed out.

You’re asking a lot of questions about one side but I have a lot more about the other, too… why did the complaintant fail to show up to the hearing? What was the punishment handed out from the University to the apparent instigator/complaintant? This person was involved in several other altercations throughout the evening in question - was that taken into consideration? If not, that is a very bad approach to take a singular punch in a vacuum and hand out a severe penalty for that one singular act without taking into account every single factor.

There was already a lot of coaching turnover in the off-season. A freshman running back who was Gatorade's New Jersey Player of the Year, and slated to start as a sophomore. LeQuint's father passed away on Valentine's Day. His high school coach at that time was on Rutgers' staff. Babers may have been more worried about LeQuint hitting the transfer portal if he publicly punished him immediately (e.g., Spring ball suspension). LeQuint could have been Baber's exception rather than the rule.

I have many of those same questions about the other student. I cannot answer them, but would love to hear their version of events because that could provide some rationale for the punishment from the University or lack thereof including any criminal charges from the DA if such was the case. For example, if LeQuint faced a minor charge from the DA while the other student did not, then I wonder if LeQuint's claims of self-defense in university proceedings are dubious.

 

[Orangezoo]

The more i think on this... If the school doesn't have a good response crafted already after it's been multiple months since it happened it's pretty clear they thought it would never get escalated and they don't have a good response to all the blow back to substantiate the decision. A

 

[David321]

It’s pretty bad when you have multiple NFL Orange alums criticizing the decision on social media.

 

[SUFan44]

There was already a lot of coaching turnover in the off-season. A freshman running back who was Gatorade's New Jersey Player of the Year, and slated to start as a sophomore. LeQuint's father passed away on Valentine's Day. His high school coach at that time was on Rutgers' staff. Babers may have been more worried about LeQuint hitting the transfer portal if he publicly punished him immediately (e.g., Spring ball suspension). LeQuint could have been Baber's exception rather than the rule.

I have many of those same questions about the other student. I cannot answer them, but would love to hear their version of events because that could provide some rationale for the punishment from the University or lack thereof including any criminal charges from the DA if such was the case. For example, if LeQuint faced a minor charge from the DA while the other student did not, then I wonder if LeQuint's claims of self-defense in university proceedings are dubious.

That is a weird angle you have. So be it. I don't agree with much of what you're saying.